- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I would like to mention that due to your Born Equal value, elders from other villages would be allowed to travel to Greenbay and join the main elders there if they wish to and vice versa.
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
- Start date
- Original
I would like to mention that due to your Born Equal value, elders from other villages would be allowed to travel to Greenbay and join the main elders there if they wish to and vice versa.
- Location
- Sydney
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
- Location
- United States
Cool to know, but it still means that an elder in another village cannot have a say in the village of their birth unless they move to Greenbay, which just seems a little messed up to me.
Sure we likely mechanically up our centralization with this move, but I don't like the narrative implications behind it.
Might just be making a mountain out of a molehill though.
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- Space
Actually they were sharing common gods and had common helenistic culture, they spoke one language wich means that they were coming from same group of people that didn't unify and Athens and Sparta are perfect example what can happen to us if we are not unified.
Basically one village decides to crown a King and there you have it.
They even later on made independent colonies that grew in independent city states( what we can do now).
All those ways of development are possible, with central government, like we give villages more autonomy.
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I mean what can you do about that? Of course they can't have a say if their not there, it takes time to have your say if your days away. Nevermind that you have responsibilities where you are. This can lead to negative outcomes but Utopias don't exist.
- Location
- Behind You
This isn't the inevitable result of having a more decentralized form of government, that's the kind of result produced by either achieving a failure state or a long period of mismanagement. Which is just as possible by having a centralized government.
- Location
- Toronto, Canada
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
I see this as building a base, one that favours centralised governments, but I'm sure there will be future opportunities to fine tune centralisation to posters' preferences. I'm aiming for some sort of a federal state, really. I don't mind every province having strong regional identities, dissenting voices, and a lot of autonomy if they can respect central authority and not breakaway to form their own independent states. I also want to make sure the capital stays in one place but that's a minor detail.
What madness is this? If attention is not given into constructing land trails, then how can we get our water highways?
In all seriousness however, this can help in making the shrine's construction easier and reduce the difficulty of traveling to it. The settlements are already connected by water transport but having more connections is certainly a plus. We are going to need to take a break to recover temp econ though.
@Oshha
Do we know what kind of a goddess Arthryn is, or do we get to vote on that later?
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
I see this as building a base, one that favours centralised governments, but I'm sure there will be future opportunities to fine tune centralisation to posters' preferences. I'm aiming for some sort of a federal state, really. I don't mind every province having strong regional identities, dissenting voices, and a lot of autonomy if they can respect central authority and not breakaway to form their own independent states. I also want to make sure the capital stays in one place but that's a minor detail.
What madness is this? If attention is not given into constructing land trails, then how can we get our water highways?
In all seriousness however, this can help in making the shrine's construction easier and reduce the difficulty of traveling to it. The settlements are already connected by water transport but having more connections is certainly a plus. We are going to need to take a break to recover temp econ though.
@Oshha
Do we know what kind of a goddess Arthryn is, or do we get to vote on that later?
[X] [ELDER] Each village shall have its own council of elders to lead it.
[X] [REACT] Build a new shrine to the goddess Arthryn. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Shrine)
[X] [REACT] Build a new shrine to the goddess Arthryn. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Shrine)
- Location
- Behind You
Distribute Land.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To have my say on the matter the central leadership vs decentralised leadership, my thoughts currently are the following.
Having centralised leadership means that you have a clear cut leadership and a more understandable chain of command. Everyone knows who is in charge and who answers to who and in the event of two villages having a conflict in what to do, there is a higher leadership to appeal to. Yes, it leads to those not in the capital having less say in how the overall civ is run, but given the current technological limits, you can't avoid that.
Decentralising has its own problems. Yes, everyone has more of a say, but you are effectively running on the honour system. And like in RL where the civ operating running on the honour system, you run the risk of someone or multiple someones breaking that honour system, sometimes irreversibly. If some villages decide to declare a king while the others don't, what are you going to do about it.
Overall, there is no obvious right or wrong answer. Both can work if you make the right choices and the dice are in your favour while both can fail if they run into the right crisis or mismanagement.
Having centralised leadership means that you have a clear cut leadership and a more understandable chain of command. Everyone knows who is in charge and who answers to who and in the event of two villages having a conflict in what to do, there is a higher leadership to appeal to. Yes, it leads to those not in the capital having less say in how the overall civ is run, but given the current technological limits, you can't avoid that.
Decentralising has its own problems. Yes, everyone has more of a say, but you are effectively running on the honour system. And like in RL where the civ operating running on the honour system, you run the risk of someone or multiple someones breaking that honour system, sometimes irreversibly. If some villages decide to declare a king while the others don't, what are you going to do about it.
Overall, there is no obvious right or wrong answer. Both can work if you make the right choices and the dice are in your favour while both can fail if they run into the right crisis or mismanagement.
- Location
- Somewhere
I don't get the Elder choice. This is a history railroad choice, right? Because the spread the elder council to each village, then maybe later place a main coucil above that level. Sounds like a parliament. But leads to Monarchy...
While the choice that has a single main elder council, would be the PoC route where our choices got frozen in information lockout?
While the choice that has a single main elder council, would be the PoC route where our choices got frozen in information lockout?
- Location
- United States
The main narrative difference I feel is one of autonomy vs fine control.
Each village being ruled by their own elders leads to more autonomy and thus a more "on the ground" viewpoint of the situation, but also means that these elders don't have as much of a "big picture" viewpoint. This is good if you have a local problem that needs a relatively quick solution.
Having Greenbay rule over the villages allows for a more "big picture" viewpoint, but as you say will likely lead to an information blackout as villages become more distant. Having a centralized chain of command makes it easier to issue decrees or orders, but also means that smaller issues can fester until they become big issues.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
- Location
- USA
[X] [ELDER] Have a main council of elders in Greenbay lead the other villages founded by the People.
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
[X] [REACT] Create new trails to connect the two villages. (-2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail)
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Ya we should do that as soon as it comes up.Distribute Land.
KnownParadox
Not a sphere
- Location
- Canada
All these civ quests seem to have a theme, inadvertently or not, Tree's (for a while), paint, boat, punch, etc.
We need a theme, a theme that serves a purpose, how about roads? Easy travel, something to obsess over, better stone working eventually, something nice for archeologists to find should we fall.
Just seems like a good idea.
We need a theme, a theme that serves a purpose, how about roads? Easy travel, something to obsess over, better stone working eventually, something nice for archeologists to find should we fall.
Just seems like a good idea.
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- Space