Strategic Arms Quest 3/2: Armor Edition
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As much as I'd like to say both our peons have more experience with tonks and might be able to get that finished faster then an aa-build.
As much as I'd like to say both our peons have more experience with tonks and might be able to get that finished faster then an aa-build.
TortugaGreen
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CthuluWasRight
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Wanderer, you son of a bitch.Can you give an example because out side of the 88 i can not think of any other aa gun that was used for anti tank.
7734
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You design and prototype the one biggest competitor they have for funding. The level of hate they have for you is somewhere north of a Pole speaking German.
Reminder you don't know who's on your list of potential taps for the board. Since Folgers is taking his Staff Officer Classes right now, he's automatically off the table.
He might come back, in which case he was just on sabatical. He might not, in which case the Luftwaffe gets to find out how the whole parasite Arado on a Bauermann project is in terms of effectiveness at smacking a dude's face in.
There's going to be a pretty early series of decisions on weapon caliber and system weight. Because of the high level of Luftwaffe integration (which you won't be getting out of) there will be a multi-stage concept design process, which should keep you guys from having to write an RFQ the size of Kansas in the dark. The anti-tank/assault gun is simpler and closer to your wheelhouse, but has a lot more riding on it because Thile is basically the summer home of every gun for hire worth the name in the world right now because it is in Civil War Round 14, and happens to sit in one of the junctures of trade between Kubachin and related and the Far West. If someone sneezes and the snot pattern lands in the shape of a gun, there's a prototype by the end of the night that's been fired by sunup the next day, and odds are it'll be on the market by the end of the week. Anything that Wanderer builds there might as well be considered open source as far as the details are concerned.
tankdrop24
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Wirbelwind - Wikipedia
Ostwind - Wikipedia
40M Nimród - Wikipedia
Crusader tank - Wikipedia
ZSU-37 - Wikipedia
If you don't mind dipping into the cold war:
ZSU-57-2 - Wikipedia
M53/59 Praga - Wikipedia
The characteristics that make a good Anti-Aircraft Gun just so happen to line up rather well with what makes a good Anti-Tank Gun.
You've probably noticed that we test our tanks against 20mm and 37mm guns? They probably count as an Anti-Aircraft weapon.
20mm, 37mm and 40mm were common AA calibres that happened to work well as light to medium AT weapons in a pinch, actually they did pretty well against fortifications and infantry too.
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Having anti-air early sounds like a good idea. And some anti-air has shown surprising effectiveness as anti-tank and anti-infantry, so more bang for our buck.
Also: "Not like there'd be a coup or anything, the Irromic Empire was too stable for that."
That sounds very ominous.
Having anti-air early sounds like a good idea. And some anti-air has shown surprising effectiveness as anti-tank and anti-infantry, so more bang for our buck.
Also: "Not like there'd be a coup or anything, the Irromic Empire was too stable for that."
That sounds very ominous.
One thing to note is that light AA is only going to be of marginal use against tanks once armour improves, though it could ruin an infantryman's day but good.
The guns that worked well in an anti-armour capacity were the heavier ones - 75mm and up. These being because to fling a shell high enough to worry a bomber you need a high velocity gun - which are the same characteristics you want for anti-tank work. Of course, against interwar tanks that sort of cannon was ludicrous overkill when a 37mm or 50mm could do the exact same thing, were stealthier, and didn't need a prime mover or circus of draught animals to reposition.
How effective was ground AA in the interwar-WWII period, anyway? What I've read suggests the chief value it had in its designed role was in making CAS pilots think twice and encouraging bombers to stay at high altitudes.
The guns that worked well in an anti-armour capacity were the heavier ones - 75mm and up. These being because to fling a shell high enough to worry a bomber you need a high velocity gun - which are the same characteristics you want for anti-tank work. Of course, against interwar tanks that sort of cannon was ludicrous overkill when a 37mm or 50mm could do the exact same thing, were stealthier, and didn't need a prime mover or circus of draught animals to reposition.
How effective was ground AA in the interwar-WWII period, anyway? What I've read suggests the chief value it had in its designed role was in making CAS pilots think twice and encouraging bombers to stay at high altitudes.
Winged_One²
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Those all came too late for their guns to be very effective against tanks, especially the two German ones.
Real life is not War Thunder, and except for the Bofors armed vehicles, none of those are great at anti-armor work relative to their time, a lot of them are quite terrible (the 20mm of the Winde are the same as on the Panzer II after all). They're effective for anti-ground tasks, but not anti-armor.
So while the vehicle we get out of this might be effective at anti-armor (I am aiming for a 40mm Bofors or around there), I do not think that we should place an emphasis on that or even try to multi-role.
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Winged_One²
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Oh, right, I didn't vote.
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Let's use that 5cm/60 caliber Thryssen gun; That way, it would be double-purpose.
And mount it on a platform unified with the machines we already have.
By the way, for a tank destroyer, can we forward Armid design to relevant commitee?
Let's use that 5cm/60 caliber Thryssen gun; That way, it would be double-purpose.
And mount it on a platform unified with the machines we already have.
By the way, for a tank destroyer, can we forward Armid design to relevant commitee?
Winged_One²
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The Thryssen gun is a quick-firing gun, not an autocannon. I really want an autocannon fed from either clips in an uninterrupted feed or a belt.
20mm autocannons might prove to be insufficient, and I'm not sure Carragians would be willing to sell us 37mm ones.
Winged_One²
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That's why we'll be holding another gun contest.
For spaa i think we should look into making 2 types a light and cheap one for protecting our logistics convoys and a more armored one for front line use.
Ideally for the cheap one we should try to mount the aa on what ever truck we are using for logistics.
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Ideally for the cheap one we should try to mount the aa on what ever truck we are using for logistics.
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[X] Work on the Anti-Aircraft Weapons Platform Vehicle
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For direct hits on a plane 20mm is plenty. For fragmentation 37mm is feeble. I doubt we'll have much joy with fragmentation without a proximity fuse anyway.
Winged_One²
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No proximity yet, and I doubt that we can get an adjustable time fuze on a gun under 75mm.
The reason you want a larger caliber is because those have a larger effective range and because a single hit does more damage. And every hit has to count when you're doing AA, because they are kinda hard to get.