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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%
  • Total voters
    850
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Dhruv Srinivas said:
@ilbgar123
Shouldn't we have 25 major actions, 23 + 2 from the C.A.T.?
It says so on the character sheet.
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Oh yeah you're right. In that case we could put them in anything. I vote 2 token rolls to Space Hulks! Partly for reasons people listed in Denying Orks free ships and also because I want our Astartes and PDF to have some IRL experience fighting against Orks in ships.

Because it is clear that our simulations even now cannot stand up to the reality of a bunch of Orks punching everything into a fine mist.
 
@Sir LagsAlot Imma add and modify your plan for a bit considering we got two more Action points to use.

[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v2:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x9
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
- [X] Looking For Space Hulks x2

Does this sound good? Two points towards a 2 60% chance to deny Orks 1-2 of the 6 available Space Hulks plus loot rolls and get our PDF and Astartes some real life training. I also removed Terra because the Emperor is currently busy taking over Earth with handicaps. This is also to more efficiently spend our Webway Patrols towards less targets.

EDIT: If need be I can spare a few of my +10 rolls to ensure getting a Space Hulk if you think that is necessary. Personally I'd rather spend them on our Brothers but we can worry about that when we're not worrying about a Game Over.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
@Sir LagsAlot Imma add and modify your plan for a bit considering we got two more Action points to use.

[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v2:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x9
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
- [X] Looking For Space Hulks x2

Does this sound good? Two points towards a 2 60% chance to deny Orks 1-2 of the 6 available Space Hulks plus loot rolls and get our PDF and Astartes some real life training. I also removed Terra because the Emperor is currently busy taking over Earth with handicaps. This is also to more efficiently spend our Webway Patrols towards less targets.

EDIT: If need be I can spare a few of my +10 rolls to ensure getting a Space Hulk if you think that is necessary.
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Looking for Space Hulks stands to gain us little at this point since the majority of Space Hulks appear to be under dreadnaught size so if you were to do a 1-1 comparison of actions for shipyards to Space Hulks since the shipyards produce at minimum one dreadnaught each they're worth more per action used plus a loot roll is basically just another research action. Also, I have no opinion on pick up the Emperor or not really so whatever although it says to go to each planet in this order so they aren't conquering equally far in each direction they're reaching one destination then moving onto the next and so on so, the change has no effect efficiency wise.

[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x10
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
- [X] Consumption.
Adhoc vote count started by Sir LagsAlot on Nov 1, 2018 at 5:14 PM, finished with 235 posts and 26 votes.
  • [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x10
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    - [X] Consumption.
    [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x9
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Terra, Prospero.
    [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x11
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v2:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x9
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    - [X] Looking For Space Hulks x2
    [X] Plan Serras needs and Adult:
    [X] Plan Serras is an Adult:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x10
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    - [X] Consumption.
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    [X] Plan Serras Needs A Education
    -[X] Webway Patrol. x10
    --[X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    -[X] Convert 15 major actions to 30 minor actions
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Sir LagsAlot said:
Looking for Space Hulks stands to gain us little at this point since the majority of Space Hulks appear to be under dreadnaught size so if you were to do a 1-1 comparison of actions for shipyards to Space Hulks since the shipyards produce at minimum one dreadnaught each they're worth more per action used. Also, I have no opinion on pick up the Emperor or not really so whatever although it says to go to each planet in this order so they aren't conquering equally far in each direction they're reaching one destination then moving onto the next and so on so, the change has no effect efficiency wise.

[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x11
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
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Fair enough. Going for version 3
[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x11
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.

Also lol at how we're basically competing against ourselves vote wise ;v
 
Wind-Up Citrus said:
Fair enough. Going for version 3
[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
- [X] Ship building x4
-- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
- [X] Build Shipyards. x11
- [X] Webway Patrol. x10
-- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.

Also lol at how we're basically competing against ourselves vote wise ;v
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This isn't the first time although I've been in far weirder debates where I was literally arguing both sides at the same time once.
 
[X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
Adhoc vote count started by todbo on Nov 1, 2018 at 2:58 PM, finished with 232 posts and 25 votes.
  • [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v3:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x10
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    - [X] Consumption.
    [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x9
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Terra, Prospero.
    [X] Plan Serras needs an Adult v2:
    - [X] Ship building x4
    -- [X] Dreadnoughts x4
    - [X] Build Shipyards. x9
    - [X] Webway Patrol. x10
    -- [X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    - [X] Looking For Space Hulks x2
    [X] Plan Serras Needs A Education
    -[X] Webway Patrol. x10
    --[X] Aim for reaching these locations in this order Inwit, Cthonia, Prospero.
    -[X] Convert 15 major actions to 30 minor actions
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Adhoc vote count started by todbo on Nov 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, finished with 292 posts and 29 votes.
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How many dreadnoughts are we making each turn or just this turn?

I am asking because for each batch made or every other shipyard action, could we save a dreadnought to put in Grand Armada?

I am worried if this is pointless and selfish, though.

What do we do when we do though to balance system defences with an offensive fleet?

I am missing something, aren't I?
 
Weren't we trying to find time to train up our stats after breaking open the parent based training limit?

Also can we do milatary drills in ships in anticipation of the waagh?

Further. Space hulls are a gamble. Shouldn't we take them off the board incase the enemy gets lucky. I mean we got stupid lucky.

Also what actions would we need to work on busting out of this foresight cocktail block.
 
Zavvnao said:
How many dreadnoughts are we making each turn or just this turn?

I am asking because for each batch made or every other shipyard action, could we save a dreadnought to put in Grand Armada?

I am worried if this is pointless and selfish, though.

What do we do when we do though to balance system defences with an offensive fleet?

I am missing something, aren't I?
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Update says it takes two years to build a Dreadnought.

Larekko12 said:
Weren't we trying to find time to train up our stats after breaking open the parent based training limit?

Also can we do milatary drills in ships in anticipation of the waagh?

Further. Space hulls are a gamble. Shouldn't we take them off the board incase the enemy gets lucky. I mean we got stupid lucky.

Also what actions would we need to work on busting out of this foresight cocktail block.
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We can train as minor actions I guess. Military Drills also sounds like a minor action too seeing as it's not on the major actions update.

The hulks are not even dreadnought sized. If the Orks turn them into ships those would be easy to destroy.

As for removing the block probably never. Chaos Gods don't like people like us divining all our problems away like a Fix It Fic.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
Update says it takes two years to build a Dreadnought.


We can train as minor actions I guess. Military Drills also sounds like a minor action too seeing as it's not on the major actions update.

The hulks are not even dreadnought sized. If the Orks turn them into ships those would be easy to destroy.

As for removing the block probably never. Chaos Gods don't like people like us divining all our problems away like a Fix It Fic.
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Military drills are things too widespread for Serras to personally oversee, so they mostly take up administrative resources.

Hulk sizes are rolled, but Dreadnought-size and up is uncommon. That doesn't mean you couldn't come across a Hulk the size of Ceres, but it's very unlikely.

Well, at Divine, you'd have the raw Divining to brute-force your way past the Malus. Emps has that to some degree, since he's spent a lot of his 'shadow ruler' time working on his psychic skills.
 
Wind-Up Citrus said:
As for removing the block probably never. Chaos Gods don't like people divining all our provlems away.
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Or navigator skill tinily mitigates it. We are almost to a full day. And this is with glimpse s a few years into the future.

Maybe a choir with Magnus, Jack, and the Emperor could, in a secure and private place, let us see a little further and more accurately?

If the four chaos God's are blocking us together, they might be relying on daemons for a lot of it. The cost/benefit of personally blocking more than just vital visions would leave them open to their peers attacks.

I am not proposing a fix, but maybe there are ways to get some visions at a cost that is not too high. We'd be working for it, and might get skill raises at a minimum from understanding the warp better.
 
Zavvnao said:
Or navigator skill tinily mitigates it. We are almost to a full day. And this is with glimpse s a few years into the future.

Maybe a choir with Magnus, Jack, and the Emperor could, in a secure and private place, let us see a little further and more accurately?

If the four chaos God's are blocking us together, they might be relying on daemons for a lot of it. The cost/benefit of personally blocking more than just vital visions would leave them open to their peers attacks.

I am not proposing a fix, but maybe there are ways to get some visions at a cost that is not too high. We'd be working for it, and might get skill raises at a minimum from understanding the warp better.
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See, they aren't directly screwing with her visions, just spamming her with unlikely timelines. It's easier, and more effective if you aren't Emps or using Emps as a guide as the Emperor's Tarot does. Emps can brute-force it with raw psychic might and the fact that he's even smarter than the Primarchs.

To use a metaphor, they're feeding her CPU so much data she can't figure out what's actually useful.
 
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