Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)
- Thread starter AoMythology
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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The political fallout from Danzo doing unsanctioned clan massacre and rumoured coup d'etat by a prominent clan will be highly popcorn worthy. At least to people outside of the impact zone. 
Here's hoping there are no Root remnants out at about.
Here's hoping there are no Root remnants out at about.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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@AoMythology I'm curious. If we train Mind's Eye of Kagura enough can we do the same thing Orochimaru did with the White Zetsus?
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Why is everyone convinced we'll do a shitty job because we're 7? We're not 7, we're like 25 or something, and a genius to boot. This is a society that 100% buys into the hype of geniuses, so we're both actually capable of this AND people will be willing to believe we can do it.
Just look at Yagura. Sure he did a shit job because of Madara, but people totally thought he could be a Kage.
Just look at Yagura. Sure he did a shit job because of Madara, but people totally thought he could be a Kage.
DarkKing98
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No. We're seven. As in, seven years of experience of this world. Also, not even in her past life did Rin really do anything with politics. Or at least, politics of this scale.
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Yeah, she was an antisocial loner in her past life that built her personality around the best way to not have to deal with her peers.
She hasn't interacted at all with any Uchihas outside her immediate family or the clan head's immediate family. I'm not sure she even knows the name of Fugaku's wife.
We are very fortunate that this is a society which believes your ability to punch things is more indicative of leadership potential then your political acumen.
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No, she's an adult mentally, with S++ Diplomacy. No one has experience leading the Clan, she's clearly far and away the best option.
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Well, yes, but that isn't why she was selected for the job. Only Fugaku even knows she's any good at diplomacy.
She was selected for the job because she has shown a chunin level ability at punching things in the face at a very young age.
[X]You leave him be
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[X]How not to be an asshole, by Teyaki
[X]Secret option: Shisui's notes
[X]You intervene
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[X]How not to be an asshole, by Teyaki
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Oh, sure. But people in-thread are arguing that she's not capable of leading the Clan due to her age, and that's just not true. If you're going to vote not to be Clan Head do it because you want to do other stuff like training instead, not because you think we'll be bad at it.
For reference, our relevant stats/skills/reputations:
Intelligence: A++ (5/14)
Luck: C+
Shinobi Academics: B
Ninja History: B-
Diplomacy: S++
Uchiha Clan as a whole: S
Like, I'm sure there are Clan Heads in Konoha right now less suited for the job than us.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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There's a difference between knowing how to Diplomance and actually diplomancing. For all we know, Fugaku is actually quite a bad diplomat.
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I have no idea what you mean here. The system explicitly works off of skill checks - are you trying to claim that we don't really have S++ Diplomacy?
And why is it relevant if Fugaku is a terrible diplomat?
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Well, yeah, I'm one of the people voting to lead the clan. I think we'd be really good at it. I just think it's going to suck for Rin. Because there is no way anyone in the village believes we'll be a competent and respectable leader, let alone outsiders.
And the sad thing is, I kind of want to do training. I feel we're close to starting to make magical breakthroughs in the realm of ninjutsu. Even though magecraft is not as robust here as ninjutsu, it feels like something we should be devoting our free time to even at the expense of mastering more immediately useful skills.
He was. He diplomatted his clan into slaughtering itself and being gutted by the government. He did it by failing to plan a coup to get the respect and status he couldn't get through diplomacy.
When you mess up so badly at politics that 90% of your allies are dead, the rest under suspicion of treason, and you're forced to put a 7 year old at the reigns, you don't get to claim you're a good diplomat.
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If we do become clan head we won't be completely by our selves, Fugaku should be able to offer advice once he gets his head on straight.
DarkKing98
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We're going to have to deal with actual politicians that have years more of experience than us. Yes, we know how to Diplomat. But we're talking people that have been actively using the skill for years, if not decades. People who's job is politics. Do not expect it to be easy.
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...So people who also have high Diplomacy scores, because they've been grinding Diplomacy? Why would that make us less suited to leading the Clan? It's extraordinarily unlikely any other living Uchiha has a higher Diplomacy than us at this point.
DarkKing98
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See, this is the problem. You think that being Clan Head involves just the Clan. That's wrong. Being the Clan Head means having to dive into the world of politics with other Clan Heads, the Hokage's Advisory Council, and the Hokage themselves.
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Itachi is not trusted.
Fugaku is party responsible for the massacre and planned coup.
Other notable adults aside of Tekka are dead.
Tekka is temporary head of Police. Aka all guys superior to him died. That's his only qualification...
Rin is likely the best choice for Clan Head right now.
I am not saying she is a good choice, but she is the best available choice.
Our actual diplomacy skill is quite high and will do it's work. However we are way below the combat prowess a Clan Head should have and way too young. Many will not take us seriously because of this.
At least till we ran circles in arguments around them once.
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But none of that makes us a worse candidate than any of the other surviving Uchiha. You appear to be trying to make a point, but I still don't even see what you're trying to say.
Or have you shifted to just saying "this is gonna be really hard, guys"? Because you might not be wrong, but it's not really relevant to whether we should take the job, if everyone else is worse.
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DarkKing98
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I'm saying, and have been saying, don't expect this to be easy if we go for just because our Diplomacy Skill is a seemingly high rank, because we don't have context of everyone else's that we'll be butting heads with' Diplomacy skill.
And that Diplomacy alone isn't going to be the 'lead the Clan' skill now that I think about it.
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That is precisely why I don't want to become clan head, I don´t want this quest to become a Clan Manager thing.
That is not to say that I don't enjoy CK2 quests ( I love quests like May the Invisible Hand be With You and Embers in the Dusk) but I would rather have Rin training, doing missions or cultivate her Social Links, than managing the clan.
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That would be neat as a secondary vote, at the bottom of the updates/in their own mini-updates.
We'd definitely want it as something that wasn't the main focus - like 2-4 actions out of 10 or something. Maybe we can delegate?
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I would rather pass the hot potato to someone else, and use those actions in other things...