Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)
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DarkKing98
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Ok then. How do you propose we save Shisui? Note, Danzo did not in fact use the Kotomatsukami to convince everyone of his plan. That technique can only be used once every ten years. Even if Shisui survived Danzo he will be convicted of attempting to murder Danzo at the very least.
As we have just seen Itachi and Fugaku are at immense odds with each other. The Third can't use Itachi to manipulate the masterminds. They are either to far into the idea to back out now or genuinely think it's a good idea.
You seem to be forgetting the fact that we don't know of the coup. So we can't be inserting our own opinion. Also, we're five. Our opinion doesn't matter shit.
Now, it's not just Danzo who is causing this. The removal of him is not going to make everything be good. We still have mistrustful Civilians, Pride wounded Uchiha, and at least mistrustful parts of the government itself.
We don't have the power or sway necessary to fix all these problems. And so long as they exist they will just cause the other problems to return.
Hell, killing Danzo may cause the Uchiha to rebel early or convince the Third the Uchiha need to be Massacred.
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You're get very worked up over something you don't think will do anything?
What is there to lose if it's going to be the same no matter what like you say.
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Man, do you realize that there are ways of crushing a rebellion that doesn´t necessarily mean: Kill every man, woman, elder, and child, do you?
As far as I understand Hiruzen character, If he has to make a preemptive strike It would be more along the lines of: decapitation strike to the main heads of the conspiration than genocide, I really doubt he is going to order the ANBU to kill infants in their cribs or Uchiha that were not even tangentially involved in the Coup like Itachis´s girlfriend.
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Danzo explicitly used Hashirama's Senju cells to reduce the recharge time, because apparently that's a thing he can do. You don't know Shisui would be immediately assumed to be at fault if Danzo was killed, that's another empirical claim you've pulled out of nowhere, not to mention that Shisui need not kill Danzo.
They are arguing about something, not shunning him entirely. We're clearly still early enough in the timeline.
We absolutely can be inserting our opinion if we have a high enough Reputation to be invited to meetings, and our prodigy status outweighs our age.
Danzo is actively stirring the shit to keep everyone angry, and canonically overruled the Hokage to massacre the Uchiha - all of these problems go from "intractable" to "solvable" with his removal.
When did I say anything about killing Danzo?
Overall, you've not only failed to adequately rebut the plan I proposed after 5 minutes of thinking, you haven't even touched upon the larger, more important case of "every single plan to prevent the massacre will fail". I don't think I'm going to continue arguing with you - this should be enough for the purposes of proving you wrong to the thread, and you're either not getting it after my explanation or wilfully ignoring it.
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DarkKing98
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Cue massive distrust to straight out hatred of most of the Civilans and some Clans towards the Uchiha, thus making village relations horrible, Clan members that will think that the accusations are false if the Hokage doesn't give very good, convincing arguments and evidence, paranoid Shinobi, which is never a good idea, and a lot of scornful children.
Yes it's a better end result there, but I have to wonder if another coup will be orchestrated as tensions continue to rise and mistrust towards ALL Uchiha will remain at an all time high.
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to quote my old wow guild, "you can't fix stupid"
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Hey in the Mist Village this is the bread-and-butter with LITERALLY every clan, and they manage.
And it is still much better than the genocide of one of the founder clans of a Village.
DarkKing98
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ROOT. Danzo's own personal little task force. They will either testify that they saw Shisui kill Danzo or act as witnesses to attempted murder. If they don't get Shisui labeled guilty? They will come after him.
Considering that hate in Itachi's eyes? I'm certain they were arguing about the coup. They don't need to be shunning him for manipulation to fail.
You keep saying that. Why would you invite a five year old to a coup meeting? We're smart and talented yes. But we don't have the needed life experiences and other things necessary to argue if a coup is a good idea or not. Besides, what Prodigy status? You do remember a shit ton of our genius is hidden from the rest of the clan right?
It doesn't matter what Danzo has done at this point. All that matters now? Is that the big powerful people in the Uchiha Clan decided a coup was a good idea and were planning on going through with it. If it was a radical faction of no names it'd be ok and easy to pass off. But when the Clan Head is part of it? Not at all.
Funny. Considering you ignored my argument. But fine. Ignore all this.
...you mean the village in the middle of a Civil War?
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Wow, you are really pumping these out!
What type of monster is Rin, to gey A rank Genjutsu?
It's A rank Genjutsu resistance. Her actual Genjutsu skills are C rank.
Heh.
Later, I'll update it if I have time.
Stats have soft caps, so it's harder to raise them as they go up - especially if/when our best tutors are massacred.
As for the 'Itachi vs Danzo' vote, it's obvious to SB/SV, not to Rin. (I don't mind if you vote with Meta knowledge, as long as something stupid like saying something Rin doesn't know doesn't happen.)
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I don't know if I ought to come back and point out the various flaws in this post - the idea that ROOT soldiers have enough independence to do anything without Danzo, for example - but on principle I should ask what argument of yours you think I've ignored here, because I've scrolled back up and can't find one.
DarkKing98
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How do you plan on saving Shisui? Your entire argument relies solely on this one aspect of Shisui being saved all will resolve peacefully.
You ignore my argument that we are five. It doesn't matter if we're a Prodigy. We know nothing in strategy, how to conduct war, and to everyone who isn't privy to our Reincarnation, which is everyone, we are simply a smart five year old.
We can't harm a hair on Danzo's head. Any sign of Uchiha aggression can be taken as the first step of the coup.
How about we start with those three?
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we have already caused several differences in Shisui due to our existence.
1) Shisui is likely a little stronger than he was in canon at this point, because teaching something causes you to learn it better then ever before.
--especially he has learned that people can be surprisingly resistant to genjutsu
2) we are likely to vote for warning him against people hiding one eye, this may easily cause him to prepare a backup plan.
Shisui is a smart cookie after all.
3) he is more attached to life because he has a sister to care for.
Don't underestimate the power of determination.
DarkKing98
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1) Unfortunately we can't be sure of this. It'd be nice. But this isn't something Strength alone can solve.
2) And this'll help how? Just because he's prepared for something being a surprise doesn't mean he's prepared for the fucking Izanagi.
3) He didn't commit suicide purely due to conflicting loyalties. It was a part, but he was also down an eye, had poisonous Aburame insects probably attacking him, and more than likely a mass majority of ROOT after his head, if not all of it. Hell, he may off himself so they can't use us against him as a hostage.
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Oh, I thought you meant an argument for why every plan regarding the massacre is doomed to fail, no exceptions, but sure.
I'm pretty sure we're setting up to save Shisui this very vote. We're warning him about the dangers of unexpected Sharingans from one-eyed opponents, which is canonically exactly how Shisui was beaten in canon - Danzo attacked Shisui to steal his eyes, Shisui crushed him, and then Danzo unexpectedly activated Izanagi on a stolen eye to get Shisui after he lowered his guard, thinking Danzo defeated.
My argument is that the setting, and Konoha in particular, hold geniuses in inordinate amounts of esteem, even in fields where they shouldn't - to be thought of as a "genius" means people expect you to be as incredible in all other fields, not just ninja stuff. I think this is a holdover from Japanese attitudes, at least traditional ones? I'm sure I read a great explanation to that effect at one point. In any case, I strongly believe we need only get the Reputation of Fugaku and possibly our Grandma high enough to have our voice heard. I admit to having no empirical evidence to outright prove this, but the possibility is strong enough you can't dismiss it out of hand.
We don't need to kill Danzo. At no point did I argue we needed to kill Danzo. Shisui surviving Danzo's attempt unscathed and then going to warn Hiruzen in person should be enough - Danzo does use kotoamatsukami fairly liberally in canon, given his shortening of its recharge time. Hiruzen would, at the very least, stop any massacre attampet - if the Uchiha clan formally protested the attempted bloodline theft and demanded Danzo be executed for the eyes he's already stolen then all they really need to do to prove Shisui's claims is demand Danzo be inspecteed for stolen Sharingan, at which point he's politically indefensible.
Though if someone did kill Danzo, Hiruzen would probably be extremely harsh on them, but his established character is such that he wouldn't blame the entire clan for it - that's Danzo's schtick.
I'm almost 100% certain Shisui knows Izanagi is a thing at this point, but to go a little more meta here: what exactly do you think the effect of us voting to warn him about one-eyed people hiding stolen Sharingans is, if not to help this exact thing? Do you believe this vote to be entirely pointless? I don't see any other scenarios it could apply to - if you really, truly believe this, you should be voting to warn him off Itachi, in the hopes he might not even put himself in this situation if he's not helping.
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In canon Obito was being opportunistic, waiting for his chance.
If the massacre does not happen, he might continue waiting for one.
If it still happens, given the range of our sensory talent, we will definitely sense him and therefor know the official story about Itachi being responsibly alone to be false...
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