VoidZero
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Last i looked water clone ain't a bloodline, neither is putting anything explosive into a water clone. Soooo you feel like chilling?
Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)
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Last i looked water clone ain't a bloodline, neither is putting anything explosive into a water clone. Soooo you feel like chilling?
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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No fire or wind clones. The other elements are free game, though Lightning might be hard to stabilize.
AoMythology
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He has a really good point.
Edit: oops, double posted, and only now did I realize. Sorry.
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Guessing my omake didn't go over too hot.
You know, I'm not sure clones are the way to go.
Clones sound chakra intensive, and while they are a force multiplier, they only multiply the force we have available to us, which isn't very much at the moment.
Now, if I was a little kid training myself in my first skills involving fire and lightning, I'm thinking flashbang jutsu. Like, making a simple jutsu to shock people at a touch, making a simply jutsu to start a fire by poking something, and combining the two affinities into a weak jutsu that's primarily to blind and deafen people, since we don't have a lot of chakra yet so we'd have to cheat to keep up anyway.
Can we use fire to make a smoke clone? Something as completely insubstantial as the academy level clone and just bursts into a cloud of smoke when you hit it.
You know, I'm not sure clones are the way to go.
Clones sound chakra intensive, and while they are a force multiplier, they only multiply the force we have available to us, which isn't very much at the moment.
Now, if I was a little kid training myself in my first skills involving fire and lightning, I'm thinking flashbang jutsu. Like, making a simple jutsu to shock people at a touch, making a simply jutsu to start a fire by poking something, and combining the two affinities into a weak jutsu that's primarily to blind and deafen people, since we don't have a lot of chakra yet so we'd have to cheat to keep up anyway.
Can we use fire to make a smoke clone? Something as completely insubstantial as the academy level clone and just bursts into a cloud of smoke when you hit it.
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AoMythology
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Reward: as soon as we learn a Fire jutsu, we will invent a D ranked smoke-making jutsu, starting at D+ rank proficiency.
It adds strategic options we didn't have before, if one is creative; it also covers our inability to make normal clones. And no, canonically, clone jutsu didn't take much Chakra, at least compared with their utility.
That 'Shadow clones can't be made by non-Jinchuuriki in high numbers' is fanon. The Shadow Clone is costly, for a clone jutsu.
Hayate, who had lower than average reserves, for a Chuunin, could make 2-3 Shadow Clones. Of course, the 'splitting your Chakra' part IS rather risky, and not just because of Chakra depletion.
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Danzo egged on the rebellion because when the Kyuubi was released he immediately successfully pushed Sarutobi to refuse to allow the Uchiha to help against the Kyuubi out of fear that they would seize control of it or had a hand in it's release. This left them presumably as the only major clan to not directly combat the Kyuubi since from what we can tell everyone else threw everything they had against it, leading to resentment from the others who fought and lost loved ones against it. Combined with the well known legend of Madara having controlled the Kyuubi many thought that they may have been responsible.
That led to things like the Uchiha being pushed off to corner of the village against their will during the post Kyuubi rebuilding and becoming isolated from the rest of Konoha. They were then semi-secretly monitored by the village for signs of rebellion out of suspicion that they might have really caused the Kyuubi to be freed in the first place. Rebellion started seeming like a good idea around this time.
Since, you know, it looked like the village was literally isolating them and trying to slowly push them out of the village. It was almost like they were being moved into the perfect position to be killed off.
Like actually happened.
Uchiha ego factors a lot into what happened, but Danzo has a much stronger claim of responsibility. He was basically egging them on just begging for them to make a move so he could wipe them out. He succeeded. The ego just let the egging on happen.
The safe way was to not tell everyone that he was actually the Jinchuriki. They could have made a lot of claims other than that. Hell, they could have said that the 4th dragged the Kyuubi with him to the Shinigami's stomach, which actually sounds pretty reasonable since Minato did manage to drag half the fox down with him. Letting a kid grow up under the kind of pressure and hatred faced by a Jinchuriki was a pretty terrible idea. There's a reason why canon Naruto looks at early Gaara and thinks "that could have been me."
I have no idea what you mean by reputation. Do you mean Naruto not being raised in the village or something?
I mean we're talking about a world here where one village tried to steal the heir of a major clan for her bloodline, so they can be pretty brazen. As a whole the villages also didn't seem to have a strong reaction to their Tailed Beasts being stolen, so I'm not that sure about that either.
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AoMythology
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....Sure, why not? But it will be unnecessarily costly and not very useful until we reach higher levels of proficiency.
Fun With Water Clones (Canon?)
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I only do this because I had a funny idea I wanted to do. It's not like I like you or anything. [/tsundere mode]
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"Mama, Mama, look, I learned how to do clones!" Rin said excitedly, standing next to a duplicate of herself.
"Impressive," Korin Uchiha said. It really was. As she looked over the clone she couldn't see a single flaw with it. Sure it didn't move at all, but this was Rin's first clone, so it was to be expected, "You were having so much trouble with that technique, what changed?"
"Oh, I gave up on the academy stuff and just made it using water chakra. It was so much easier!" Rin boasted. "And this clone is physical, unlike those academy clones! It's way better than the one Papa was teaching me!"
"Don't lie," Korin said casually.
"I'm not mama, see, touch it!" Rin said, dragging her mother over to the clone.
She was impressed, the clone was really there. Rin said she did this with water? How? Why? This had to be a hundred times more difficult than the academy version.
Looking at her daughter's hopeful smile, Korin grinned and held Rin in a tight grip.
And then Rin popped.
Korin was soaking wet, and Rin's previously motionless "clone" was laughing at her.
"I told you my clone was better!" Rin said.
Korin didn't get mad. Instead, she took on a sly smirk.
"Mama?" Rin asked, nervous.
"Come here you," Korin said, grabbing Rin in a tight hug.
"Wait, Mama, you're soaking wet, stop it Mama, no fair, no fair," Rin laughed.
"This is what you get for playing jokes on Mama!" Korin replied. "Now come on, let's get changed. Then we can bake you some cookies to celebrate!"
"Yay! You're the best mama ever!" Rin replied.
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What do you guys think?
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"Mama, Mama, look, I learned how to do clones!" Rin said excitedly, standing next to a duplicate of herself.
"Impressive," Korin Uchiha said. It really was. As she looked over the clone she couldn't see a single flaw with it. Sure it didn't move at all, but this was Rin's first clone, so it was to be expected, "You were having so much trouble with that technique, what changed?"
"Oh, I gave up on the academy stuff and just made it using water chakra. It was so much easier!" Rin boasted. "And this clone is physical, unlike those academy clones! It's way better than the one Papa was teaching me!"
"Don't lie," Korin said casually.
"I'm not mama, see, touch it!" Rin said, dragging her mother over to the clone.
She was impressed, the clone was really there. Rin said she did this with water? How? Why? This had to be a hundred times more difficult than the academy version.
Looking at her daughter's hopeful smile, Korin grinned and held Rin in a tight grip.
And then Rin popped.
Korin was soaking wet, and Rin's previously motionless "clone" was laughing at her.
"I told you my clone was better!" Rin said.
Korin didn't get mad. Instead, she took on a sly smirk.
"Mama?" Rin asked, nervous.
"Come here you," Korin said, grabbing Rin in a tight hug.
"Wait, Mama, you're soaking wet, stop it Mama, no fair, no fair," Rin laughed.
"This is what you get for playing jokes on Mama!" Korin replied. "Now come on, let's get changed. Then we can bake you some cookies to celebrate!"
"Yay! You're the best mama ever!" Rin replied.
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What do you guys think?
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AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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- He/Him/His
Rewards:
-Skill 'Pranking' starting at B rank (from both Omakes).
-The Water Clone gains a colossal boost the first and second time we train/learn it.
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-Gained Trait 'If you aren't cheating, you ain't trying'
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-Got food poisoning. Mama can cook really well, but she can't bake sweets to save her life for some reason.
-Skill 'Pranking' starting at B rank (from both Omakes).
-The Water Clone gains a colossal boost the first and second time we train/learn it.
Edit:
-Gained Trait 'If you aren't cheating, you ain't trying'
Edit2:
-Got food poisoning. Mama can cook really well, but she can't bake sweets to save her life for some reason.
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I pretty think the same as you, there have been uncountable rebellions that happened through history that started as the Uchiha coup did, one previously powerful group being shunned upon and stripped away from their previous position, and in this case, seeing how the Uchiha wanted a quick coup to take power quickly (like has happened many times in the setting, like in the Mist Village) and Danzo´s response were genocide, I think they may haven´t been so wrong in the rebellion thing.
I have to say that unlike many other Naruto fans I am not a fanboy of Itachi, and that makes consider bullshit all the people trying to justify the massacre and saying that Itachi did nothing wrong. He did, I cannot understand why genocide and kinslaying is less evil if you are following orders. And in my personal opinion, to betray your family and/or friends makes you nothing more than scum.
Plus I have always thought that the whole massacre thing doesn´t make any sense: Why is Konoha so worried for the rebellion of a clan that was taken by a teenager by himself in one night? How is possible that Danzo was not executed on the spot for disobeying a direct order from the Hokage? Why did not Itachi tell Sautobi what Danzo did with Shisui? Why did not Shisui go directly to the Hokage once he escaped?
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starmag99
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Fanhunter696 said:
Keep in mind that this teenager is Itachi "1HKO Legendary Sennin Orochimaru" Uchiha, there is a damn good reason he's called the Solo King.
[X]Just spit it out
[X]Accept
[X]Mama
[X]Itachi
[X]Shisui
[X]Papa
A.Itachi didn't do it alone, Tobi helped.
B. Konoha had just lost one of it's two biggest clans only a few years after the Kyuubi incident which killed a number of their ninjas, as well as forcing Sarutobi back in the position of Hokage, even though he was well past his prime. I can see an arguement being made that they needed to keep Danzo alive for his resources because Konoha was at its weakest and in a prime position for being invaded.
The real answer of course is that Kishimoto is a terrible writer and retroactively added a bunch of stuff without thinking about how it would affect the plot.
[X]Accept
[X]Mama
[X]Itachi
[X]Shisui
[X]Papa
fanhunter696 said:
A.Itachi didn't do it alone, Tobi helped.
B. Konoha had just lost one of it's two biggest clans only a few years after the Kyuubi incident which killed a number of their ninjas, as well as forcing Sarutobi back in the position of Hokage, even though he was well past his prime. I can see an arguement being made that they needed to keep Danzo alive for his resources because Konoha was at its weakest and in a prime position for being invaded.
The real answer of course is that Kishimoto is a terrible writer and retroactively added a bunch of stuff without thinking about how it would affect the plot.
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which brings up a few interesting points:
1) will we notice that Itachi is not working alone with our sensing?
2) how many of the lies in the wake of the massacre will we notice and what will we do in regards to them?
Rin has good odds of noticing the discrepancies with the massacre and the motive to start digging...
Astra Myst
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[X]Carefully, as a cousin
[X]Accept
[X]Mama
[X]Papa
[X]Shisui
[X]Naruto
[X]Accept
[X]Mama
[X]Papa
[X]Shisui
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I am also a huge supporter of the Retcon no Jutsu theory in the massacre, simply because Itachi was incredibly popular among the fanbase, and it was needed to give him a seemingly proper justification for him to commit the massacre while still being good, and Danzo was also added because he needed an absolutely irredeemable character to act as a hate sink. But, in my opinion, it did not worked at all and created a many plotholes of the size of Canada.
The thing is that retconing is not bad by itself, and if you do it properly it can work very well, for example, Uncle Iroh and Asami were created originally as full fledged villains, but in Naruto case the retcon was almost as badly done as Star Wars prequels.
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A steam explosion isn't Steam Release. We'd make a bunch of steam by superheating water (because that's what happens to superheated water) but we wouldn't have any control over it like a bloodline user would - it would be good for an explosion and very little else.
I guess we could control where the steam appeared by controlling water to be in the right positions beforehand, but you'd lose a huge amount of tactical flexibility by not being able to control the steam after it's made. It's not nearly as effective as a user of the bloodline could manage.
I liked it! It just kind of stands on its own - not much to discuss about it?
EDIT: In my experience, omakes get surprisingly little discussion in general - this is pretty normal. You're best off gauging interest/appreciation by ratings.
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DarkKing98
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Remind me how Danzo knew that Uchiha could control Bijuu? Also did the Uchiha know how?
It's funny how Danzo was right though. It was caused by an Uchiha. Though by an Uchiha that would have been a Missing Nin had his existence been known.
Also, none of you are allowed to steal an Omake I'm planning on making.
It's funny how Danzo was right though. It was caused by an Uchiha. Though by an Uchiha that would have been a Missing Nin had his existence been known.
Also, none of you are allowed to steal an Omake I'm planning on making.
AoMythology
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Danzo knew because of Madara, but I seriously doubt they knew exactly how; the Tablet did say it's possible, but IIRC, not how.
DarkKing98
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Right. Danzo was alive at that time. Hard to remember such stuff because the Naruto Timeline is fucked to hell and back.
AoMythology
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Hear, hear.
Sinsystems
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Hmm this is interesting, so quick question how similar does Rin look to her previous self?
AoMythology
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Apart from black eyes, very similar.
DarkKing98
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@AoMythology Just a couple hour to day or two before hand notice.
I'm not sorry. Not at all. The Omake cannons are being loaded.
I'm not sorry. Not at all. The Omake cannons are being loaded.
Clones are very useful non-combat, though, if you can keep them going for any length of time.