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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%
  • Total voters
    850
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RandomDwarf said:
primaris marines along with super titans, tanks, artillery, armor, engines, defenses for our new colonies, colony ships, colonization, better war-gear, better administration, better relations with our family.
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Air fighters, infrastructure improvements, megastructures, terraforming, habitation, fixing Hive worlds, possibility of sending aid to brothers (mostly Horus but others too), medication, for a few more.
 
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Minor Actions (x79=57+22 from Major)
[X] [Booster] Free Booster Crystal on Control
[X] [Minor] [Train Stats] Learning (x4)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Electronics: Security (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Combat: Stealth (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Perception: Environment (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Surgery (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Narcotics (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: First-Aid (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Military (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Industry (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Luxury (x5)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Magnus (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Rogal Dorn (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Mehtrya (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Albert Salnus (x2) (max out parent SL and Speech)​

37 free minor actions converted to 74 research actions

50 Invention Actions+74 = 124
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Temperance (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Morality (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Justice (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Compassion (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Integrity (N)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Willpower (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Creativity (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Emotion (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Memory (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Heart (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mind (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Patience
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Preservance
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Bravery
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Humanity
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Wisdom (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Learning (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Improvement (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Speech
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Perception
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Sophont
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Diplomacy
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Education
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Healing (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Medicine
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Evasion
-[X] [Advance] Defense (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Combat
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Control
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Power
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Invention
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Psyker
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Forging
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Administration
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mobility
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Cleanse
-[X] [Advance] Detection (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Survival (L)
-[X] [Advance] Time (L)
-[X] [Advance] Space (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Durability (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Energy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Light (U)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Holy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Structural Integrity (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Luck (L)
-[X] [Advance] Concealment (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Stealth (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Warding(N)
-[X] [Advance] Speed (N)
[X] [Invention] Improve Material Science x3
[X ] [Invention] Improve Sensors x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Laser x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Plasma x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Kinetic Weapons x5​
[X] [Invention] Improve Replicator Efficiency x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Designs x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Scale Weapons x3
[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields Emitter x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Reactors x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Transistors x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Programming x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Cogitator x6
[X] [Invention] Improve Anti Corruption Cogitator x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Fields x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Field Rune Combo x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Orichalcix x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Psychic Choir x7
[X] [Invention] Improve Booster Crystals x6
[X] [Invention] Improve Warp Navigation Gear x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Personal Wargear x3

Integration Actions (x139)
[X] [Integration] Improve Policy x7
[X] [Integration] The Android Situation (x25): Figure out how to integrate them fully without issues from the Mechanicum. Find out why they could not make more of themselves.
[X] [Integration] Tour the Bastion Sector (x20): We have all these shiny new planets, and we want to know more about their worlds and their people.
-[X] Network with very important people!
-[X] Visit cultural heritage sites of various planets!
-[X] Find out the unique exports of various planets!
-[X] Release the Propaganda Machine!
-[X] Greet the peasants! :V
[X] [Integration] Improve the Guard Command and Fleet Command. (x25): While you might rewritten the manual on warfare several times, it won't do any good if the admirals and generals in your army have not studied them to heart, or if your army and navy themselves are not organized enough to follow their commands.
-[X] Improve the organization standards of our army and navy.
-[X] Set up Academies to train recruited officers and troops.
-[X] Increase recruitment drive for our army and navy.
-[X] Set up War games to promote combat readiness.
-[X] Promote meritocracy within our army and navy.
[X] [Integration] Improve the Scientific Enterprise (x20): Improve existing R&D organizations, bringing the research capabilities of our polity slightly closer to Serras.
-[X] Improve integration between classical scientists, tech-priests, quarian technicians, and various tech-sects within Bastion.
-[X] Improve protocols for resource allocation, research sharing, vetting, and safeguard.
[X] [Integration] Improve Internal Security and Intelligence to counteract sabotage/traitors/spies/criminals (x30)
[X] [Integration] Diplomacy (x12)

Survey Actions (x62)
[X] [Survey] (x62)​


Might as well get it over with, 50 crystals and birth the god now,

Reasoning that the emperor can accept: The longer it gestates the higher the chance chaos can stumble across its vulnerable form or crack the secrets of our crystals. Plus he is not doing anything immediately urgent right now so he can supervise as the immediate benefits from the god being born will pay back the time invested.
 
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tri2 said:
Reasoning that the emperor can accept: The longer it gestates the higher the chance chaos can stumble across its vulnerable form or crack the secrets of our crystals. Plus he is not doing anything immediately urgent right now so he can supervise as the immediate benefits from the god being born will pay back the time invested.
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Fair enough, the crystals in the current plan should suffice.
 
ilbgar123 said:
'Glad to hear it. I'll be checking in on you every now and then, to see if you need anything. One more thing before I go, do you have any Psykers in your group?' she asked.

'Just the one, she's a bit off in the head, which we're pretty sure doesn't actually have anything to do with her powers, but she's a potent fighter.' he replied. The girl refused to wear anything but purple, for some reason, and was entirely too well-suited to killing for an 8-year-old, but she was damn good at it. Better to have her where he could keep an eye on her than letting one of his enemies get their hands on her.
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Preteen killing machine girl who dresses in purple?
where have I heard that before...
Now this is going to bug me all day until I figure it out.

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I'm worried that something will come up that will need a magitech solution, and our soft cap of psy research will have been hit.
 
ExNihilo said:
I'm worried that something will come up that will need a magitech solution, and our soft cap of psy research will have been hit.
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While he did state we need to work on mundane tech, he did specify over-reliance on crystals. The soft cap was mentioned for crystals only and then a period of no crystal making for the next several turns. Imma word lawyer this and say we can still do things for psykers just not explicitly crystal related.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
While he did state we need to work on mundane tech, he did specify over-reliance on crystals. Imma word lawyer this and say we can still do things for psykers just not explicitly crystal related.
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Like, what if we really need (x) crystals? I might just be being paranoid, but if, I dunno, Meta Crystals turn out to be very important, what do we do?
 
ExNihilo said:
Like, what if we really need (x) crystals? I might just be being paranoid, but if, I dunno, Meta Crystals turn out to be very important, what do we do?
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Just make the 50 crystals, we need to mature asap and the Emperor would agree that having a powered up god on our side now is better than a weaker initial god that'll only be good as cheap crystal drm that'll be eaten in seconds.
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lets get this party started, plus the emperor didn't say we couldn't hard-cap at 50 and get it over with, I say we get Magnus along with Big E as well as Magnus's brother jak if he's not busy to monitor it. that way all four of us can insure nothing happens during its creation.

also the emperor saying Serras should not drink recaff ever again.
 
Hey ilbgar123 why is Horus a combat and tactics trainer? Isn't one of his main characteristics and skills being a master diplomat that has complete conscious control of all his body movement even his subconscious ones on top of almost clairvoyant tactical abilities? So wouldn't it make more sense for him to be a Diplomacy/Intrigue or Diplomacy/Tactics trainer?

Also I have a question about bonuses. Some times you have bonuses called "military rolls" and "military checks" I didn't add them to the PDF, Champion or Fleet counts because they were unclear as to what they actually added to so I'd like to get a clear answer on what they're actually applicable to.

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@tri2 we need an Alcohol Crystel in the plan. Since @ilbgar123, is using a loose interpenetration of TTSD Emperor, he may loosen he restrictions a bit.

Edit: Also this,

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ilbgar123 said:
In theory. You'd have to find at least two-thirds first, which is going to be hard, and take a while.
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Cool.

Right, got a list of questions for @ilbgar123 regarding the last update

ilbgar123 said:
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 100 Perk. Castle... On Top Of Your Castle. If it weren't so effective, you'd think it was stupid too. 50% increase in boost to specs provided by Extravagance.

- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 140 Perk. Worth It's Weight In Gold. While using actual gold would be stupid, painting it gold is fine, and helps denote how insanely expensive it was. +10% to Extravagant builds. Requires 1 of preceding Perks.
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So, how is a 50% increase to specs less than a +10% to Extravagant builds?

ilbgar123 said:
Therefore, it doesn't actually require worship, and is unlikely to actively seek it out unless we make a Crystal for that sort of thing, which I see no reason to do. So long as we keep a close eye on it, it should only provide benefits.
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So, is Holy a danger for that? Do we think Holy is likely to make it seek out worship?


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"I SUPPOSE THE BENEFITS WILL PROBABLY OUTWEIGH THE DETRIMENTS, SO I WILL ALLOW IT, WITH THREE CONDITIONS. FIRST, CONTACT ME WHENEVER YOU ADVANCE A CRYSTAL, PARTICULARLY TO IT'S MAXIMUM, WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW LONG BEFORE THE ENTITY GAINS CONSCIOUSNESS, AT WHICH POINT I WILL INITIATE THE SECOND CONDITION. TESTING IT IN ORDER TO DETERMINE ITS OVERALL NATURE SHORTLY AFTER IT'S BIRTH. THIRD, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS INCLINED TOWARDS WORSHIP, IT IS NOT TO BE WORSHIPED. THESE CONDITIONS ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE."
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ilbgar123 said:
Before anybody's like 'Oh, that's not so bad.' one of his conditions is 'If it doesn't pass muster upon being born, I kill it with extreme prejudice.' so, just remember that.
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This really makes it seem like, the moment it's born, is that going to be the case? Is it going to jump in and have the conversation the moment we finish the first 5, or are we going to finish the full list first?

Also, if we do finish the full list first, do we think having Holy in there might make things harder for our deity? Cause I'm seriously considering switching Holy out for Gold. Big E likes Gold.

Actually, quick question, can we unlock the Human Crystal with what we have here? If not, any chance you can tell us what we are missing?

Do we unlock anything else with this list? The Human thing is more pressing in my mind, but I'm curious about this too and it's always nice to know.

ilbgar123 said:
It's more of a soft limit. He'll get on your case if you do a whole lot of Crystals at once for several Turns, but if you do 50 Crystals, then do none for 6 or 7 Turns, he'll be a lot less likely to get upset.
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Will doing a whole bunch of Crystals at once make trouble between him and the Crystal God or will he only get upset with us for not listening to him while the Crystal God hasn't done anything but sit there?
 
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tri2 said:
@King Arthur mind double checking the crystals to make sure nothing in there would likely cause the crystal god to seek worship? bit leery about holy.
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I just made a post asking about that. Depending on what the GM says I'm thinking we switch Holy out for Gold,as Big E does like Gold a lot.

If the GM says Holy is fine though we might want to keep it solely cause it will be invented by someone else if we don't, we can swap out aim or accuracy for Gold in that scenario.
 
seriously though....why gold?

I get that Big E likes it, but...really...gold is a soft metal and not all that useful unless your going for !BLING!

I prefer holy just to fuck over malice and the other chaos gods, as well as black-box it from them.
 
RandomDwarf said:
seriously though....why gold?

I get that Big E likes it, but...really...gold is a soft metal and not all that useful unless your going for !BLING!
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Because Big E likes it and I'm hoping it makes him less inclined to kill our deity.

That's the sole reasoning. There's no other point to it, Gold is basically useless, but if it makes Big E likes our kid more it's worth a slot on the list.
 
Gold can be useful. Some circuits, anti-rust properties, worlds where light metals have been banned and you want to make metal tools...

But to us with our new matsci, no.

Edit: Partially Harlequinn'd.
 
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