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The Laurent said:
Okay, so. As of today, I have completed a Quest.

Kansas City Shuffle: A Changeling the Lost Quest, is now done except for the many Epilogues to try to wrap up the plot threads.

So, uh...I have many feelings about this, really. It's oddly emotional. I've been running the Quest since March of last year. It was my first Quest, and even though it was flawed, it all came together in the end, I hope, and it meant a lot to me. And I'm glad to be able to really end it, and not merely abandon it, like so often happens with even the best, most beloved Quests...
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I completed a quest recently too! And I mean completed, not just dropped. Only problem is that it's because the players literally voted to die.
 
Sydonai said:
IIRC people generally seem to view most of them as racist caricatures.
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Huh. ó_O
Of which races? E.g. I can't place Sluagh as neither Europeoid, nor Mongoloid, nor African, nor Australoid etc. Or whatever some of those are named in English. I suppose Sidhe are supposed to be Europeoid Anglo-Saxon nobles, but that's a very specific sociogeographical subset of the Europeoid race.
 
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vicky_molokh said:
Of which races? E.g. I can't place Sluagh as neither Europeoid, nor Mongoloid, nor African, nor Australoid etc.
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Those words have gone out of fashion somewhat because they heavily tinted by centuries of scientific racism and have somewhat questionable scientific grounding. In short, using them makes you sound like someone's racist grandfather.
 
Eukie said:
Those words have gone out of fashion somewhat because they heavily tinted by centuries of scientific racism and have somewhat questionable scientific grounding. In short, using them makes you sound like someone's racist grandfather.
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"Somewhat questionable".

Hell, fuckin' Darwin was calling such classifications useless.

Article:
"Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory St. Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty-three, according to Burke. This diversity of judgment does not prove that the races ought not to be ranked as species, but it shews that they graduate into each other, and that it is hardly possible to discover clear distinctive characters between them."
Source: Charles Darwin
 
Rereading Cdreaming yeah I don't see the racism with the glaring exception of Magical Arabs/Gypsies Eshu and perhaps if you squint you could see the Boggans as Jewish.

Perhaps the strange Native American and Asian kith are more racists though?
 
Eukie said:
Those words have gone out of fashion somewhat because they heavily tinted by centuries of scientific racism and have somewhat questionable scientific grounding. In short, using them makes you sound like someone's racist grandfather.
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We are discussing racist caricatures (specifically, I'm trying to figure out which Kiths match which ones), and I admitted that I'm not sure what the English words for races such as "the one which possesses visually identifiable traits characteristic of the indegeneous-ish Mongolian demographic, but isn't legally a citizen of Mongolia". So may I request that instead of griping about the word choice, you offer the words which mean the same thing but don't cause you to perceive them as having such connotations if you prefer the latter? (Searching for updated definitions tends to result in articles that beat around the bush without offering anything even vaguely resembling a conversion table.)

So which Kiths correspond to which races? Because to me they all seem to exhibit traits that are present (or absent) in all races, except maaybe Sidhe with a stretch (and that only due to being an hardlinked of a specific nation).
 
EarthScorpion said:
Hmm. How would I do nWolf-Worm?

Well, in such a fusion, I can only decide that a parahuman is something most akin to something which has the traits of both one of the Claimed and one of the Hosts. In this, the Entities are presumably extrasolar Incarnae, descending to Earth along with their brood of spirits. Parahumans are Host-Claimed of alien spirits, and thus every single one has a degree of physical mutation (a la Case 53s).

Hence, parahumans won't have an instinct towards conflict - they'll instead have an instinct towards whatever their possessor-spirit is and promoting that, because that directly strengthens them. A pyrokinetic is claimed by an alien fire spirit and needs fire to stay strong, a "tinker" is claimed by a spirit of alien technology and so is driven to make examples of that alien technology (even as their body slowly becomes machinery).

Predators is our friend here - we see that Endbringer-like things are totally in-character for nWolf things (just look at the monsters in the back - hell, one of them is basically Leviathan). That also has the rules for Hosts and Claimed.

If you're using nWolves in the middle of that, then, their standing issue is that there's probably an "alien moon" in orbit in the Shadow - the Incarna-Entity, which drops clouds of its brood onto the Earth to eat the local spirits and search out human hosts. Hence, werewolves are initially set in conflict with the invading spirits, because holy shit are those spirits breaking all the rules - and the Incarna of this world hate the invader, so the lunes and the helions and the like are trying to fight off the invader.

Heh. Amusingly, this comes out as using nWolf to play Apocalypse, only with less furry shit and less ecoterrorism. But just as much werewolves tearing into superheroes, since these parahumans resemble fomori somewhat.
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Reposting from the Exalted thread .
 
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