*falls over laughing*
Oh my.
The blood-soaked, humanity-denigrating pagan witches and the nasty Victorian pseudo-scientists are good in your eyes?
White Wolf's World of Darkness
*falls over laughing*
Oh my.
The blood-soaked, humanity-denigrating pagan witches and the nasty Victorian pseudo-scientists are good in your eyes?
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Mate, why isn't Lancea Et Sanctum good under your definition?
Oh yeah, that Covenant encouraging humanity and only necessary sacrifices for a higher cause, as opposed to literal Beast-worshippers?
EDIT: Also, the Carthians have a literal Bloodline of Vampire Nazis. Their founder managed to be be thrown out of the Ordo Dracul.
Oh yeah, that Covenant encouraging humanity and only necessary sacrifices for a higher cause, as opposed to literal Beast-worshippers?
EDIT: Also, the Carthians have a literal Bloodline of Vampire Nazis. Their founder managed to be be thrown out of the Ordo Dracul.
TenfoldShields
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It's a modified WoD in the same way a horse drawn Hummer is technically a hybrid.
Ie. Not really, also you ripped out everything important and now there's horseshit everywhere
I think this entire thread is intimately aware of you and your special relationship with Rule Zero.
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Honestly, you know, I think both sides cam come together in disagreement with Paulie, despite their own disagreements on the matter that started this debate.
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It's kind of amazing really.
Under what definition is the Circle good? I mean, I can kind of get Ordo, and maybe Carthians.
But the Circle what even is this?
Under what definition is the Circle good? I mean, I can kind of get Ordo, and maybe Carthians.
But the Circle what even is this?
Or the Invictus, whose sins are mostly human sins little different from the Carthians [1] and who are very much pro "keeping under the radar" and "being stable and not flipping out and Frenzying" and "limiting Vampire numbers strictly"?
[1] Seriously, it's a pretty recurring theme in the books that Carthians once they get into power [2] have a tendency to be very hard to tell from Invictus Princes - and have a pronounced tendency to excuse the excesses of their Princes with "At least they're not Invictus".
[2] Carthian Law can go fuck itself. It was a bad idea in their splatbook, and then they went and solidified it.
Vito Scaletta
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Why is Paganism so evil in your book? And how can the Circle in my games denigrate Humanity when I don't have a Humanity meter in my game? The Lancea Sanctum are pseudo-Christian fundamentalist maniacs, and they're supposed to be the "good guys"? Dude, the Lancea Sanctum are like a cross between the Westboro Baptist Church and Crusades-era Catholicism (and that is the canonical portrayal of the LS), and they're good while the Circle are evil?
Plus, in my Rule Zero games, the Circle of the Crone are strictly polytheists and not blood-soaked demon-worshipping witches. Belial's Brood already covers that niche of bloody infernalists.
As for the Ordo Dracul, in my games, they're searching for the cure for vampirism. They may be unethical at times, but for them, the end justifies the means.
For some reason, this makes me think that s/he's somekind of self-benial punk.
"No I hate punk! that's why the highly hierarchical convenants(and the Brood) are evil!)
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Yeah, I mean, I like Carthians plenty, but part of the point is, well, let me quote someone much more awesome than me.
"But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions." --Terry Pratchett, Night Watch.
The Carthians are the embodiment of this kind of fact. This species of fact.
"But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions." --Terry Pratchett, Night Watch.
The Carthians are the embodiment of this kind of fact. This species of fact.
Vito Scaletta
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What makes your themes more valid than my themes? If you don't like something, change it.
TenfoldShields
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"Jokes on you Escorp, how can it be a gas guzzler if it has no engine?"
*horse neighs, shits*
"Checkmate scrub."
Vito Scaletta
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Just because something is unconventional, doesn't make it automatically bad.
Why should there only be one theme? All this "One True Way" mentality is highly toxic and is a problem plaguing the White Wolf fandom.
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This isn't WoD anymore.
It's your private little DnD with a worse system than the actual DnD.
The canonical Lancea want to scare people into the arms of the Church, but when they're there, they'll be safe.
They also explicitly police mortal communities as well as other vampires, which isn't something I see the Circle do.
But of course, the Christians are evil, because they're Christians and Christians are evil.
"Plus, in my Rule Zero games, the Circle of the Crone are strictly shitty and have nothing to do with their actual themes and not blood-soaked demon-worshipping witches. Belial's Brood already covers that niche of being a badly written Covenant that has no place in Requiem."
"As for the Ordo Dracul, in my games, they have nothing to do with their canonical portrayal or anything related to them. They may be unethical at times, but for them, the end justifies the means, which is okay because they have kewl powerz as opposed to the Invictus or the Lancea Et Sanctum who are evil because they believe this."
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Because games have themes, systems convey ideas, messages and memes.
When you rip out the beating heart of a system and mutilate it's innards, leaving only a hollow husk, a parody of what it once was, you don't get to claim you're still playing World of Darkness.
Vito Scaletta
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Don't you have a Sisters of Mercy concert to attend? This is MY WoD, done MY way.
Fuck the themes, fuck the canon! The point of an RPG is to have fun, not to get depressed.
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Basically. Liking a burger without pickles, or with pickles, or covered in sauerkraut, or pineapples...that's all fine.
But if you say, "I'd like a burger with no bun, cheese, burger, and oh it should actually be a hot dog" then you aren't part of the burger conversation.
But if you say, "I'd like a burger with no bun, cheese, burger, and oh it should actually be a hot dog" then you aren't part of the burger conversation.
Vito Scaletta
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Basically. Liking a burger without pickles, or with pickles, or covered in sauerkraut, or pineapples...that's all fine.
But if you say, "I'd like a burger with no bun, cheese, burger, and oh it should actually be a hot dog" then you aren't part of the burger conversation.
You can play WoD without the default themes, White Wolf even released a whole book about that (it was called Mirrors and was released in 2010). Plus there is the "Trenchcoats and Katanas" playstyle, which I prefer over wangsty personal horror.
I mean there's literally a canon superhero hack for Mage., and that one was fun.
(gimme more WW super comic AU)
(gimme more WW super comic AU)
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...you prefer Trenchcoats and Katanas to nWoD themes?
Katanas.
I mean, like, unironically? Rather in some sort of hipster, "It's so silly I almost enjoy it, but not really, because I'm hip[1]."
[1] Random unrelated fact I learned recently. The word hipster might[2] origination in the 1920s, with people who wore hip flasks and drank alcohol even though it was forbidden in clubs by the late 1920s and by prohibition.
[2] Word origins are often hard to pin down. Like butterflies.
Katanas.
I mean, like, unironically? Rather in some sort of hipster, "It's so silly I almost enjoy it, but not really, because I'm hip[1]."
[1] Random unrelated fact I learned recently. The word hipster might[2] origination in the 1920s, with people who wore hip flasks and drank alcohol even though it was forbidden in clubs by the late 1920s and by prohibition.
[2] Word origins are often hard to pin down. Like butterflies.
Vito Scaletta
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(All this Gothic-Punk rage over people modifying and Rule Zero'ing their WoD games)
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Never heard of them, but I'm sure that man of straw you just created would be willing to go to the concert with me.
He'd also actually take a look at my arguments unlike what you seem to be doing.
Calling it WoD would be an overstatement.
But why use WoD.
It's system is geared towards something completely different than what you want, you are simply mutilating a system designed for back-alley brawls, personal horror and occult investigation.
Why not GURPS or BESM or FATE (ewww) or fucking anything that has something to do with whatever that thing you want.
Vito Scaletta
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Yes, I think Katanas are cool. Not as cool as a Gladius, but still pretty cool. I don't see the appeal in whiny, wangsty, pretentious personal horror
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Well. It's not whiny, it's not "wangsty" and it's not "pretentious".
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If you want people to treat your 'WoD' with respect, you should probably stop calling the game that literally everyone else in this entire thread enjoys "wangsty" and "whiny".
Vito Scaletta
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It is in my book. I have considered converting Requiem to BESM though, if that would help. Then I can do a proper crossover with the Sailor Moon RPG.