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Huh, well fair enough.
White Wolf's World of Darkness
Huh, well fair enough.
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I mean, I have a raging hard-on for the Akashic Brotherhood as well, and I find large parts of the Union rather meh (see: anything that isn't NWO or Iteration X), but that doesn't mean that I automatically favor them just because I think they're cool.
I love the Lancea et Sanctum as well, but I'm not going to have the city ruled by a Cardinal for every vampire game I do.
I love the Lancea et Sanctum as well, but I'm not going to have the city ruled by a Cardinal for every vampire game I do.
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
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We're lacking sufficient versus for World of Darkness.
Society of Leopold (Old World of Darkness) versus Malleus Maleficarum (Hunter: The Vigil)
Putting oWod Inquisition against nWod Inquisition.
Catholic Hunter Conspiracy against Catholic Hunter Conspiracy.
Inquisition Endowments versus Christian Sorcery.
Society of Leopold (Old World of Darkness) versus Malleus Maleficarum (Hunter: The Vigil)
Putting oWod Inquisition against nWod Inquisition.
Catholic Hunter Conspiracy against Catholic Hunter Conspiracy.
Inquisition Endowments versus Christian Sorcery.
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versus debates are cancerous
i wont touch it with a 10-foot pole
i wont touch it with a 10-foot pole
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See: Large parts of this thread and Technocracy vs. Traditions.
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
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What if containing that cancer to Versus place was possible?
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Which is why I don't touch them with a 10-foot pole?
As I described them to @Omicron over Skype, I think most Traditions vs Technocracy debates go like this:
"THE UNION IS FASCIST AND SO ARE IT'S SUPPORTERS"
"THE TRADITIONS JUST WANT TO BE GOD-KINGS AND FIREBALL AS THEY WILL"
"NUH UH"
"YUH UH"
At this point, someone usually writes some homebrew and breaks up the discussion.
Or a mod looks in our direction and goes: "this again why me?"
EDIT: The point is that no one here actually likes those discussions.
Except for maybe @MJ12 Commando, but that's because he's a sick fuck who takes pleasure in arguing.
Unlike me, who also takes pleasure in arguing, but doesn't spend his time on it because I'm too lazy.
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Add in a side of blaming every bad thing that happens in the real world on: Faction. (Literally everything. I was shocked and pleased when ES went to blaming nMages for Trump, rather than bringing up oMage. And yes, I'm sometimes guilty of this too.)
And then a side order of headcanon and homebrewing to make their chosen side (usually the Technocracy because the debates are usually pretty onesided, but if there were more Traditions fans no doubt they'd be doing the same thing) look even more justified and right and cool.
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
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World of Darkness might need more conversations in more places around here?
I hear spreading general awareness may involve discussing a series in lots of places?
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Yeah but versus debates don't spread the right kind of awareness. Versus debates spread the kind of awareness that causes people who know nothing about the setting to come into the thread and ask inane questions such as "can they really do that" for the purpose of versus debates only.
And then they bring an annoying versus debate mindset into the thread and everyone gets angry.
I had an idea for somekind of serum or something that gives sleepers beneficial mutations(and the Biomancy merit for free) but each mutation requires paying a willpower dot, paying back the dot also makes you lose the mutation. If they lose all their willpower dot, they become the highly adaptive attack dog of the Seer who gave the serum/disease/whatever.
Also Puella Magis as Psychopomp servitors y/n?
ganonso
Compulsive Quest Starter
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Liches with their souls stocked in gems and thus respawnable are good Psychopomp servitors but I wonder how well Puella Magi relate to the 'fear of death" Exarch.
Puella Magi are a Tremere House in my verse anyway so I may be a little biaised
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In my games, the Psychopomp has Supernatural-style Reapers who exist to put the fear of death in people and who can summon and bind ghosts with contemptous ease.
I think the thing about the minions of various Ministries is that they should be an expression of the Ministry above and beyond that of the Exarch. The Ministry makes their servants in most cases - they're not handed them.
So before deciding what serves the Psychopomp, one must first decide whether the ministry is an old boys' club of gun-sellers and other people who profit off death, traditional occultists who gather control over rich people who are scared of death, or a bunch of young upstart accountants and actuaries who put a count of years on every lifespan and want a cold mechanical society where people can be discarded once they've fulfilled their use to society.
Because all three Ministries will have radically different servants.
So before deciding what serves the Psychopomp, one must first decide whether the ministry is an old boys' club of gun-sellers and other people who profit off death, traditional occultists who gather control over rich people who are scared of death, or a bunch of young upstart accountants and actuaries who put a count of years on every lifespan and want a cold mechanical society where people can be discarded once they've fulfilled their use to society.
Because all three Ministries will have radically different servants.
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That's debatable actually.
Myrmidons and Grigori were arguably granted to their Ministries by will their respective Archgenitor (and I would argue that 1889, the date given for the discovery of the Grigori, can be assumed to be around when Panopticon started to rise as a Greater Ministry), while Hollow Ones and Hive-Souled are actually made by their respective Ministries pretty much indipendently.
So half and half I'd say.
Eh. I'd disagree with the Myrmidons there - they're an old holdover of an ancient bloodline, acquired by the modern Praetorian ministry.
(And honestly, I wouldn't count "we have Proximi" as really a special Ministry thing. Anyone can have that.)
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Well, they're a Proximus bloodline with a very convenient Curse.
(Seriously? "Must obey words in the Oath-Tongue?")
It's not convenient at all.
Mind 3 lets you speak any language. Myrmidons are basically useless against the Diamond. That's why I broadly discount them - they're essentially a liability against real opposition.
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I can see the point, although as ManusDomine said their curse is really too convenient to be anything but "The General did it" in my mind. Or at the very least, it's the work of a Preatorian Archmaster.
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Heh, maybe. Their Oath Tongue is mentioned as a variant of High Speech, and given that's certainly untraslatable through simple Mind magic, I'd be willing to give the Myrmidon's a pass.
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Questionable.
Oath-Tongue is a High Speech/First Tongue hybrid offspring, so this is debatable.
90% of all Garou are actually dating vampires. It's something that they don't talk about. It's sort of like being at a westboro baptist rally made up entirely of closeted gay people. They all have to one up each other to prove how much they really hate those Wyrm-tainted leeches, because they're scared of being found out.
The idea of such a hybrid tongue doesn't even make sense given the nature of the High Speech - but if so, that only requires that your Mind 3 mage also know High Speech (and most of them will), because the First Tongue aspects of that language are entirely susceptible to Mind. After all, normal humans can learn the First Tongue, as it's just reverse-Grimms-Law Sumerian.
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Howwould a Vamp/Garou relationship, a somewhat stable (at least for these two splats) one, would look?
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Admittedly I am not defending the Praetorians, as I have always found them incredibly dull.