Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and resuce while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.

[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Reportconcerning Rebecca Shepard
 
Batarian Loses
1 Carrier
+Contents (Been a while and I can't recall the exact numbers)
--At a stab using the contents of the USS Wasp class the total would be around:
----- >2000 Fighters
----------- ??? Missiles (More then 8 times number of fighters?)
------ >2000 Combat Vehicles
------ >4000 Support Vehicles (Supply trucks etc)
------ >60,000 Troops (Most standard ME gear)
------ ??? Drones (Thousands to tens of thousands)
4 Cruisers
6 Cruiser Fighter Squadrons
18 Frigates

For the missiles: Well I've been assuming each fighter could hold 10 missiles, that was how I got my 800 fighters figure, and they've been firing them en masse in massive waves. So I'd hazard a guess at them having at least 20x as man missiles as fighters, that's enough for two sets of reloads. I'd also wonder why there was a pause, after the second wave of fighters dumped their missiles, to reload if they had 2,000 fighters deployed. Although I suppose it would be reasonable for them to have held half back to fly CAS for the Carrier and ground troops.

SA Loses
Munitions and drones as per noted values in quest (don't feel like counting)
Assorted Damage to GARDIAN towers (Less then 200m cr in total I think.)
Some damaged/lost SA fighters?
Some Frigate Damage?
Light damage to ground units?

Sounds pretty reasonable and light.

The ground battle never really happened thanks to [Reality Edit] so SA ground losses were basically zero. The GARDIAN lasers held until the enemy ground force got orbital striked to hell. Then it would have been clean up with Legionaries vs scatted normal ME troops. The entire thing went FUBAR once it became clear the space battle was lost, and well even before that the strong resistance in space turned the whole thing into a CF.

I pretty much expected the ground troops would have been screwed once our frigates were freed up to take down the carrier. Just didn't realize the battle hadn't been met yet with the alterations

So yeah giant money losing CF for the Batarians for no gains.

Oooh. That must really burn for the Batarians. They threw all this super tech at us and epically failed.

(Now see if I was in the Batarians shoes I would have dropped their entire fleet (or most of it any way) on you, but that's... not really "kosher" for lack of a better term)

I'm not sure it would really make sense from an IC perspective for them to throw the whole fleet at us. Sure Revy and PI are a gigantic threat but honestly what they threw at us should have been enough. If it wasn't for those two Pynda's quickly winning the battle in space we'd have been pretty screwed.

The fighters and artillery bombardment would have worn away our drone shields and GARDIANs well before we could do anything about them and then they'd have been free to destroy the town. Revy and some, but probably not all, of the important characters would have survived since Legionaries provide enough protection and agility that the bombardment wouldn't have killed them. Once the city was lost odds are they'd have retreated into the wilderness and laid low long enough for the Alliance to arrive and wipe out the Batarians.

Still it would have been utterly crippling for PI since almost all our facilities, without the Pynda's the Batarians would have have (eventually) won the space battle and destroyed our shipyards, would be gone and a massive chunk of our staff would be dead. That's not even getting into the trauma Revy would have had from watching all she's build and almost everyone she knows and love being obliterated.



TL:DR - We only won because we had two superships the Batarians had no way of knowing existed.



Hmm... going to have to roll to see if the cores of the wrecks got splatted or not.

Honestly given how valuable Eezo is in ShepQuest the stuff is probably worth collecting even if it's been scattered over thousands of cubic kilometers. Would probably require a dedicated action next quarter to recover the splattered cores but I'm willing to bet the income would outweigh the costs.

Compensation for defense... not sure... I guess you might get payed for expended munitions/losses, but the forces you defended with are effectively a PMC you hired to guard your stuff and the attack was aimed at you... Wouldn't be even sure how to price it at the moment.

Ah but security forces are meant to guard against relatively minor stuff like riots, slaver raids, aggressive corporate espionage, ect. This was a full on military assault as part of the opening act of a war with PI not being targeted as a corporate entity but as a strategic asset of the Alliance.

Honestly I don't really expect much since it would basically be a token gesture done for PR's sake* and it's not like Revy would seriously ask, or allow anyone to ask on her behalf, to be paid for defending her home.

*Having private citizens play the main role in fighting off an invasion would make the Alliance military look weak to the public. Playing it off as them having hired ParSec eliminates that since it looks like the military was simply augmenting it's forces through the use of a PMC, which seems to be standard practice fro the Alliance in wartime.

As for the Carrier you'd be right... if it exploded (*Goes back to edit in better descriptions to make it clear it didn't splatter everywhere*). It's more like it (and anything too close) got bathed in laser light melting the shit out of everything. This is why the antimatter pods did not cook off :). The core is "intact" save for the melting thing. The "boom" was from a thunder clap style effect, in fact better description! Using.

Might want to change this bit then:
Even as you note that fact, the frigates are descending into Mindoir's atmosphere long ranged bombardment rounds striking the carrier.
since metal slugs with speeds measured in km/s are going to shred the carrier not cook it.

Incidentally wouldn't everything being fried and the ship losing power cause the anti-matter pods to rupture anyway? Because AFAIK the only way to contain anti-matter is using a magnetic field, or I suppose a gravitational field via Eezo, which requires power.
 
Fresh Air (Events Conclusion)
2174-Q2
Woo! It lives!

"Huh... that's not a bad off.." you begin just as a drone wing enters into the picture. The mech's laser lash out dropping several of the drones but their numbers are a bit much for a single defender. Massed repulsor blasts tear into the mech.

-32 Drones
Haha, and that is why we went for drones and ships over the Mark II suit. Ivan Vanko was an idiot for bring a whip to a gunfight, but he was very right when he said "Drone better."

The wreckage left behind shows the Batarian attackers have technology ahead of what anyone expected. It maybe an in-house development, or they may have found something or someone to give them a leg up. Unfortunately there are no clues in this direction. However, the is one piece of technology you are familiar with, Arc-Reactors. These are not your designs in fact there are rather inferior at a guess you'd say they had one-third to one-half the efficiency of your older model, in addition to inferior safeties. It would seem that metaphorical genie is out of the bottle.
Well... crap. I'm not sure whether the Batarians just co-developed the technology or if the Reapers reverse-engineered our FRM and fed it to them; either way this is a rather disturbing development. Good thing our R&D has been working on more stuff.

On a side note ages ago I was asked, "What effects would licensing our PMC in the Alliance have?" and I really couldn't think of one other then PR. I have thought of one now though. Feel free to object or add in details it's just the seed of an idea. In times of war the SA gets to hire the company for whatever they want and you can't really say no (baring some edge cases). They do have to pay reasonable amounts (Cost + Some reasonable % profit... IDK 5-10%?) and have to cover costs if they force you to default on a contract.

In addition they probably can force you to produce certain goods (in this case ships) for them. With the same general rules (must pay fair price, cover defaulted contracts etc). I'm thinking a combination of wartime powers + eminent domain sort of deal. Of course I'm glossing over a large amount of the background wheeling and dealing and maybe I'm crazy. Thoughts?
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. The only thing I'd add is that the Alliance is likely to be fairly generous when it comes to compelling PI and ParSec to produce things for them, paying a certain percentage above market rates for products and the like. Not only are we super-famous at this point, but these sort of corporate compulsion laws are likely to be rather untested, and the Alliance isn't going to want to tie things up in court by trying to under-pay us, so I assume they're inclined to be generous.

The other thing is that this is the time for the Alliance to leverage the whole "secret military patent" deal, and compel companies to share their military secrets with one another. More on this later (late for work now), but the summary is that we should be starting to see our designs being produced in other factories, whether or not we consent to it, thanks to the war effort. We'll be compensated for that as well, naturally, but it's going to be a delicate and intricate Q3 for us.

The other thing I'd suggest for the players is that this is the perfect time for Project Landfall. More on this later too.

Oh and this doesn't take into account any money we might make from the raid from things like salvage, especially the Eezo of destroyed ships, or compensation from the Alliance for our assistance in Mindoir's defense. Speaking of Eezo I expect we'll see a wave of babies being born this year with either brain tumors or Biotic potential. After all that Super-Carrier must have had a massive Eezo core and it exploded something like 30km away from Landing.
On the other hand, we do have our super nanite medical tanks, so we can probably clear away any potential problems. We don't really have the medical chops to create biotics, but I presume we can clear away the brain tumors.

Kind of outside the scope of the quest, though; we're already far enough along that anyone born from this raid will be, what, 10-11 when the Reapers invade?

(Now see if I was in the Batarians shoes I would have dropped their entire fleet (or most of it any way) on you, but that's... not really "kosher" for lack of a better term)
To be fair, the force they send was ludicrously overpowered for taking such a paltry planet like Mindoir, and even three months ago would have been more than enough to turn the entire star system to glass. It's just, well, we just happened to finish building our first laser frigates this quarter.

[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and rescue while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.
-[X] Once security and S&R efforts are complete, secure salvage rights and concentrate on salvage of eezo cores. We're going to need a lot of eezo soon, and most of the battlefield salvage is ours by right of conquest.

[X] Interlude for who?

-[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
-[X] A member of the Illuminated Primacy (Hanar government)
-[X] Aria T'Loak
-[X] The Illusive Man
-[X] The Shadow Broker
-[X] Sovereign/Nazara
-[X] Harbinger
 
Incidentally wouldn't everything being fried and the ship losing power cause the anti-matter pods to rupture anyway? Because AFAIK the only way to contain anti-matter is using a magnetic field, or I suppose a gravitational field via Eezo, which requires power.
I think even the Batarians would know better than to have antimatter containment "fail deadly". :D
 
Spending 0.0005% as much as our enemy is an amazing victory for us. Of course this only takes into account expenses we know about. For example we don't know anything about the battle between soldiers:

Nor did you account for wear and tear on the System's Alliance ships and equipment. Still, if the SA and Paragon ended up with a bill equal to 0.001% of the Hegemony's I'd be surprised, even if Paragon trades in high technology rather than the Hegemony's general brute force approach to things due to lower technological skill needing to meet the same performance requirements.

Batarian Loses
1 Carrier
+Contents (Been a while and I can't recall the exact numbers)
--At a stab using the contents of the USS Wasp class the total would be around:
----- >2000 Fighters
----------- ??? Missiles (More then 8 times number of fighters?)
------ >2000 Combat Vehicles
------ >4000 Support Vehicles (Supply trucks etc)
------ >60,000 Troops (Most standard ME gear)
------ ??? Drones (Thousands to tens of thousands)
4 Cruisers
6 Cruiser Fighter Squadrons
18 Frigates

Yeah, very very ouch. That's a planetary invasion force that got dead.

SA Loses
Munitions and drones as per noted values in quest (don't feel like counting)
Assorted Damage to GARDIAN towers (Less then 200m cr in total I think.)
Some damaged/lost SA fighters?
Some Frigate Damage?
Light damage to ground units?

And the damage it did was... 'scuffed the paint,' on a strategic scale. This isn't even the 'we fucked up and pissed off someone far bigger and meaner than we' mess that was Pearl Harbour, this is flat out 'we figured we could win if we struck first and eliminated their biggest advantage, and it was barely a pin prick.'

Incidentally wouldn't everything being fried and the ship losing power cause the anti-matter pods to rupture anyway? Because AFAIK the only way to contain anti-matter is using a magnetic field, or I suppose a gravitational field via Eezo, which requires power.

That depends entirely on how strong the magnetic fields are when the power's off. There's some remarkably powerful rare earth magnetics currently in existence, and when boosted with a capacitor/battery powered electromagnetic coil system it should be roughly safe for long enough not to instantly blow up. Although it might not last very long either.

I think even the Batarians would know better than to have antimatter containment "fail deadly". :D

It's pretty much impossible to avoid an antimatter containment system being fail deadly.


@Hoyr, what's the opinion of the Hanar on this attack on one of their holy figures?
 
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I think even the Batarians would know better than to have antimatter containment "fail deadly". :D

Thing is I've never seen a system for antimatter containment, fictional or otherwise, that isn't fail deadly. Mostly because containing antimatter is really fucking hard.

That depends entirely on how strong the magnetic fields are when the power's off. There's some remarkably powerful rare earth magnetics currently in existence, and when boosted with a capacitor/battery powered electromagnetic coil system it should be roughly safe for long enough not to instantly blow up. Although it might not last very long either.

Definitely wouldn't last long. As I understand it it's generally accepted that there is no stable set of static charges that can contain antimatter, it always finds a way to leak out. Electromagnetic traps need to be dynamic, which requires power, to successfully contain it.
 
Vote addendum:

[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and rescue while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.
-[X] Once security and S&R efforts are complete, secure salvage rights and concentrate on salvage of eezo cores. We're going to need a lot of eezo soon, and most of the battlefield salvage is ours by right of conquest.
-[X] Divert our VI development company to hack what remains of the Sol invasion fleet's computers, and whatever other resources it takes (even RP from next quarter if necessary) to find out how the hell the Batarians managed to bypass Arcturus and invade Sol. This is a huge priority!

[X] Interlude for who?

-[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
-[X] A member of the Illuminated Primacy (Hanar government)
-[X] Aria T'Loak
-[X] The Illusive Man
-[X] The Shadow Broker
-[X] Sovereign/Nazara
-[X] Harbinger


Definitely wouldn't last long. As I understand it it's generally accepted that there is no stable set of static charges that can contain antimatter, it always finds a way to leak out. Electromagnetic traps need to be dynamic, which requires power, to successfully contain it.
You just need power, right? And, hey, there's a giant source of antimatter right there... :D
 
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Incidentally wouldn't everything being fried and the ship losing power cause the anti-matter pods to rupture anyway? Because AFAIK the only way to contain anti-matter is using a magnetic field, or I suppose a gravitational field via Eezo, which requires power.
Like TheEyes pointed out, no engineer is going to build antimatter storage to fail deadly.
Else you end with a situation where a power burp would frag your ship.
There are (theoretical) methods for storing AM reliably, like caging it in macromolecules of the buckminsterfullerene family.
Thing is I've never seen a system for antimatter containment, fictional or otherwise, that isn't fail deadly. Mostly because containing antimatter is really fucking hard.
Not to mention that you guys are using supercondoctors; at that point, power really shouldn't be an issue.
 
[X] Interlude for who?
-[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
-[X] A member of the Illuminated Primacy (Hanar government)
-[X] Aria T'Loak
-[X] The Illusive Man
-[X] The Shadow Broker
-[X] Sovereign/Nazara
-[X] The Citadel Council
-[X] high ranking systems alliance officer (maybe one who wasn't our/our tech's biggest fan for some reason?)
 
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I would say it would be easy enough to make a case to the Citadel Council that the batarians are destructively analyzing a mass relay and they should send a Spectre to investigate.
How so?

[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and resuce while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.

[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
 
I'm not sure it would really make sense from an IC perspective for them to throw the whole fleet at us. Sure Revy and PI are a gigantic threat but honestly what they threw at us should have been enough. If it wasn't for those two Pynda's quickly winning the battle in space we'd have been pretty screwed.

Which is why I felt that this was a fair option.

since metal slugs with speeds measured in km/s are going to shred the carrier not cook it.

Ohhh wow... GM fails at the explaining thing... I'll go look at that again.

Bombardment causes arc-reactor failure, which lead to stuff getting melted

Incidentally wouldn't everything being fried and the ship losing power cause the anti-matter pods to rupture anyway? Because AFAIK the only way to contain anti-matter is using a magnetic field, or I suppose a gravitational field via Eezo, which requires power.

Thing is I've never seen a system for antimatter containment, fictional or otherwise, that isn't fail deadly. Mostly because containing antimatter is really fucking hard.

I assume the pods are... very well made and so their only fail deadly-ing very slowly like their designed to (maybe the system tries to slowly discharge the AM for safety?) so there is enough time to move them somewhere less dangerous. Damage to the Carrier was not uniform and the AM pods are arguably the most well designed, safest, strongest, parts of the ship (Armored, shielded, independent power, etc). Basically of a warship's wreckage the AM pods are the last if not only thing intact often.

Also with ME tech figuring out how much AM gets used is very hard. Canon wise the go yep we use AM for military drive and then ignore any safety from there out so I assume the AM systems are... very good. Probably one of techs that the Citadel has been researching for years on end.

@Hoyr, what's the opinion of the Hanar on this attack on one of their holy figures?

Less than pleased.
 
Another consideration: how much antimatter is a land-once carrier going to have on hand? Space maneuverability isn't a huge concern there.
 
So can someone translate "You shouldn't have done that", "Welp tonight bastards are going to die" and "You dun goofed" into Hanar?
 
[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and resuce while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.

[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
 

This pleases me.

So everyone, what do you think the odds are of the Illuminated Primacy throwing their theo-economical weight behind the War of Batarian Aggression on the side of the System's Alliance as well as the full strength of their diplomatic corps? And quite likely the SA is going to see the formation of volunteer units of hanar and/or hanar run mercenary units offering contracts to the SA on rather... favourable terms.


It's going to be messy, but it's quite likely that the Citadel Council's combined military will end up weighing into the matter as well. The Skyllian Blitz of ME canon was a proxy war everyone knew was a Hegemony attempt to force humanity to yield to their interests, but this? This is a flat out, public war waged against the galaxy's golden goose. The Batarian Hegemony done goofed. Badly.

So can someone translate "You shouldn't have done that", "Welp tonight bastards are going to die" and "You dun goofed" into Hanar?

Let me make the attempt. I think that would be 'it was ill advised to perform that action,' 'it is a sad requirement that in the face of such circumstances as these the fatherless shall not see the sun rise once more' and 'you made a terribly foolish mistake and shall meet the repercussions forthwith.'
 
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[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and rescue while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.
-[X] Once security and S&R efforts are complete, secure salvage rights and concentrate on salvage of eezo cores. We're going to need a lot of eezo soon, and most of the battlefield salvage is ours by right of conquest.
-[X] Divert our VI development company to hack what remains of the Sol invasion fleet's computers, and whatever other resources it takes (even RP from next quarter if necessary) to find out how the hell the Batarians managed to bypass Arcturus and invade Sol. This is a huge priority!

[X] Interlude for who?

-[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Report concerning Rebecca Shepard
-[X] A member of the Illuminated Primacy (Hanar government)
-[X] Aria T'Loak
 
[X] Minor details
-[X] All enemy tech to be placed in an isolated sealed vault with full radiological, EM shielding and whatever else we can think of until it can be verified as safe.
-[X] Our drones are to put towards search and resuce while our forces conduct a sweep of our facility, Afterwards any spare staff are asked to aid the planetary government.
-[X] Any serviceable building will be used for humanitarian aid unless it's a critical security risk.
-[X] Personally provide remote assistance to the recovery efforts however possible.

[X] STG-SPECTRE Joint Reportconcerning Rebecca Shepard
 
Another consideration: how much antimatter is a land-once carrier going to have on hand? Space maneuverability isn't a huge concern there.

Well at a minimum the what ever the safety margin for landing is.

So can someone translate "You shouldn't have done that", "Welp tonight bastards are going to die" and "You dun goofed" into Hanar?

Urge to make morse code joke rising (Hanar use luminescence to talk)
 
This pleases me.
So everyone, what do you think the odds are of the Illuminated Primacy throwing their theo-economical weight behind the War of Batarian Aggression on the side of the System's Alliance as well as the full strength of their diplomatic corps? And quite likely the SA is going to see the formation of volunteer units of hanar and/or hanar run mercenary units offering contracts to the SA on rather... favourable terms.
Zero.
They don't need to, and probably won't.

Outrage and disapproval aplenty, but actual governmental response is usually slow and deliberate, especially since both the SA and Shepard seems to have things well in hand.
Even if they were interested in an actual concrete response, the war is likely to be over by the time they actually start moving military.
These aren't the turians, after all.

Plus, they don't have the economic clout of, say, the volus.
Where it will have an effect is politically, post-war.
 
Zero.
They don't need to, and probably won't.

Outrage and disapproval aplenty, but actual governmental response is usually slow and deliberate, especially since both the SA and Shepard seems to have things well in hand.
Even if they were interested in an actual concrete response, the war is likely to be over by the time they actually start moving military.
These aren't the turians, after all.

This is a war on an interstellar scale. With the Batarian Hegemony most likely trying to hide behind the Terminus Systems, not part of the Citadel defensive alliance and actively attacking a member of the Citadel. The one who is making all the good stuff and gave the galaxy their first glimpse of the fate of the Enkindlers.

This war is going to take years at the least unless the Hegemony folds instantly, and I never said the IP would be moving its military around, I said volunteer forces and hanar mercenaries would go and offer to help.

Plus, they don't have the economic clout of, say, the volus.

The Illuminated Primacy is still a well established interstellar government. Even a lend-lease program or priority for yard space for the System's Alliance (like the deal that was already being struck between Paragon Industries and the Illuminated Primacy) would go a long way towards helping the SA, which has most of its shipyards stuck in Sol.

Where it will have an effect is politically, post-war.

Oh, the political field is certainly where the Primacy's efforts going to be felt most strongly. Especially if someone implies the Batarian Hegemony is a cat's paw of whoever destroyed the Protheans.
 
So...all we have to do now is somehow get the Elcor to actually build their own dreadnoughts (they should have an economy similar in strength to the SA, so they could probably pull off 6 of them out if they try) and Volus to stop being so tight fisted and build some....or get the Turians to pay them to build them....

And then the rest of the support fleets needed...
 
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