Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
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TheBleachDoctor
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I was thinking upscaled gyrojets.
That would work.
I was going to ask for what kind of drone you wanted. I'm guessing your new Accipiter or did you want something different/cheaper?
Well I was hoping for some commentary from others, but yeah I was going to add in specialized and single product factories and the like, drop a quarter build time for either (min 1) and half off for a specialized, quarter for a single product?
For the production aspect your factories basically have hyper-modularity, the main benefit you could add is the benefit of being able to move them easily. I mean your factories basically have a full suite of laser cutters, 3D printers, nanofabbers, material shaping gear, veritable molds, mass effect forging equipment etc. Those parts are able to flexibly handle the commands you give them to produce just about anything. Main limit is the size of what they can handle.
Eh well reasonable naive estimations put the aperture power at tens to hundreds of megawatts and shot/pulse times at hundredths or thousandths of a second or less. Really we'd have to know how fast fighter go and what their armor is made from. Those calculations are based on really fast fighters and Graphite Carbon or Tungsten, and ignoring a lot of the technicalities of laser damage. Using carbon nano-tubes, alloys, unknown materials, special ablatives etc, could really change the effective combat range. Not to mention I'm ignoring the refractive properties of mass effect fields.
Turrets? Hundreds on Dreadnaughts (800-1200?) I'd guess. Far less on smaller ships due to their reduced surface area.
Also Omake. So +50.
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avatar11792
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Hey Eyes, to be honest I think your action plan list thing is just awesome. However, I do have one item I am concerned about, namely your part concerning augmenting Revy to Peak Human.
This story has made references to Earth's past fiction (40K, others), so odds are Marvel is possibly around (and even if it isn't there's of superhuman augmentation/bioenhancement idea/literature floating around). Revy of all people would see the advantages in becoming essentially a super-intelligent Captain America superhuman (ie boosting ALL her stats as high as possible, not just certain categories).
Essentially, doing all of these, but in one augmentation procedure (which seems to be possible with the Peak Human treatment):
I mean really, think of it. Revy of all people would see the advantages to essentially having unlimited fitness and stamina (more time for SCIENCE!), with higher strength levels allowing her to lift that pesky lab equipment by herself (thus saving time for more SCIENCE!), and having a more efficient body allowing for superior processing of food and nutrients (fuel for SCIENCE!).
I mean, I don't expect her to be stupidly jacked or anything, but a bodybuild like this I could see her working with (barring the blonde hair of course):
We have created a process by which the human body can be augmented and improved, and Revy created it. She'd be min-maxing like CRAZY with something like that, and she'd do it immediately so she'd get the most benefits from her new tech NOW.
Adding CASIE and the ANI (plus the biotic boosters if we haven't already, I forget?) merely makes sense, since we're already going to have to relearn everything about our bodies with this.
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Darik29
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I'll be honest, all these fancy tech talks and what not Don't make a lick of sense to me.
That said, were a abiotic with probably the most advanced Amp in the known Galaxy stuck in our neck. And we've done Nothing to train ourselves in its use.
I'd Really like to dedicate next quarter to two things. One, Biotic Training. We Must learn how to use it, it's effectively our last line of defense, and if Revy is remotely like canon, then she's apparently one of the Most powerful human Biotics period, and ignoring that is a Waste.
Second, I'd love to start the Peak Human treatments, if only because of how it would affect us. Being Captain America tier in physicality is So worth it, you've no idea.
Remember people, though we've been targeted once, does Not mean we won't be targeted again. And next time, they might send ground forces against us, instead of a space ambush.
I'd love for Revy to be able to defend herself Significantly better than your average CEO.
That said, were a abiotic with probably the most advanced Amp in the known Galaxy stuck in our neck. And we've done Nothing to train ourselves in its use.
I'd Really like to dedicate next quarter to two things. One, Biotic Training. We Must learn how to use it, it's effectively our last line of defense, and if Revy is remotely like canon, then she's apparently one of the Most powerful human Biotics period, and ignoring that is a Waste.
Second, I'd love to start the Peak Human treatments, if only because of how it would affect us. Being Captain America tier in physicality is So worth it, you've no idea.
Remember people, though we've been targeted once, does Not mean we won't be targeted again. And next time, they might send ground forces against us, instead of a space ambush.
I'd love for Revy to be able to defend herself Significantly better than your average CEO.
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But we don't have a clock ticking on wetware like we do with biotics.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
The clock in terms of biotics was for getting the implant architecture installed - that is done.
And we do need CASIE ASAP. If nothing else, having it going into the interviews would be nice.
I'll note that generally speaking the exaggerated body structure of body builders (male and female) with the overly huge muscles are the result of extremely unhealthy eating and training habits. Actual strength tends to imply a certain level of body fat covering up those muscles, which would lend itself to a body structure as shown in the image you've provided.
Don't forget to add CASIE for Conrad also in your votes, so we can get few extra research points back.
Hmm, it seems we got the 100xp for Liara's now. Goody, with luck we get FRM out of our way soon and we can finally start to make good stuff like the damn MK.2.
Making Peak Human and biotic training to wait one quarter...hmm...well, I'm ok with it but do remember that the suggestions given by parents/psychologist should be done, at least one so, try to put something in votes. We can always boost the Peak Human some point.
I'm glad to notice people actually think ship missiles aren't the future any more.
Only thing what bothers me in TheEyes vote suggestion is the question: How the heck we pay production cost of 3 billion for the Tigers when his plan uses 18 of the 19 billion on new buildings...mostly on new factories?
Oh, speaking of future plans. Since we kinda need xenobiology someday in future (to grease Citadel leaders with nice genetic fixes so we get the A.I lisence), would something like, asking from Sirta if they have research labs we could buy and upgrade? Preferably in Citadel...that would boost relations and all security we need is not to give company programs and link to our database for them. It's not really an problem if they spy the place, personally I was planning to open source most of them anyway.
Hmm, it seems we got the 100xp for Liara's now. Goody, with luck we get FRM out of our way soon and we can finally start to make good stuff like the damn MK.2.
Making Peak Human and biotic training to wait one quarter...hmm...well, I'm ok with it but do remember that the suggestions given by parents/psychologist should be done, at least one so, try to put something in votes. We can always boost the Peak Human some point.
I'm glad to notice people actually think ship missiles aren't the future any more.
Only thing what bothers me in TheEyes vote suggestion is the question: How the heck we pay production cost of 3 billion for the Tigers when his plan uses 18 of the 19 billion on new buildings...mostly on new factories?
Oh, speaking of future plans. Since we kinda need xenobiology someday in future (to grease Citadel leaders with nice genetic fixes so we get the A.I lisence), would something like, asking from Sirta if they have research labs we could buy and upgrade? Preferably in Citadel...that would boost relations and all security we need is not to give company programs and link to our database for them. It's not really an problem if they spy the place, personally I was planning to open source most of them anyway.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Installing both is a single surgery action, so we can still do another this turn. Peak Human probably fits the self-improvement theme best.
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I'll consider it once the bloodyHey Eyes, to be honest I think your action plan list thing is just awesome. However, I do have one item I am concerned about, namely your part concerning augmenting Revy to Peak Human.
This story has made references to Earth's past fiction (40K, others), so odds are Marvel is possibly around (and even if it isn't there's of superhuman augmentation/bioenhancement idea/literature floating around). Revy of all people would see the advantages in becoming essentially a super-intelligent Captain America superhuman (ie boosting ALL her stats as high as possible, not just certain categories).
Essentially, doing all of these, but in one augmentation procedure (which seems to be possible with the Peak Human treatment):
I mean really, think of it. Revy of all people would see the advantages to essentially having unlimited fitness and stamina (more time for SCIENCE!), with higher strength levels allowing her to lift that pesky lab equipment by herself (thus saving time for more SCIENCE!), and having a more efficient body allowing for superior processing of food and nutrients (fuel for SCIENCE!).
I mean, I don't expect her to be stupidly jacked or anything, but a bodybuild like this I could see her working with (barring the blonde hair of course):
We have created a process by which the human body can be augmented and improved, and Revy created it. She'd be min-maxing like CRAZY with something like that, and she'd do it immediately so she'd get the most benefits from her new tech NOW.
Adding CASIE and the ANI (plus the biotic boosters if we haven't already, I forget?) merely makes sense, since we're already going to have to relearn everything about our bodies with this.
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
I expect Revy should be able to lead a squad of her PMC marines herself by the time we actually field them. So virtual combat training and full body genetic enhancement are necessary. Yep.
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avatar11792
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Yeah, knew that, more Bruce Lee-style than Arnold. Thanks though.
Lol, I was just using that pic as an example of the overall physical build I think Revy would most benefit from. Of course we're going to be in actual powered armor, we're an Iron Man expy for the gods sakes!
Also, should we make the "Captain America", well-rounded min-max Peak Human program the default one for all of our customers?
Also, are these enhancements genetically inheritable? BC we definitely want that.
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Cassiemouse
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After surgery I think we should put ourselves through a boot camp program to relearn our body and test its limits. We can have our mother and military contacts arrange an intense regimen of exercise and training to mold Revy into a peak physical specimen. Possibly cram in some officer training while we are at it so we are qualified to lead our own troops.
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Genetic enhancements are generally transmittable by inheritence. However, that requires that the testes and/or ovaries of the parents get hit with the appropriate retrovirus, which might not be guaranteed.
However, a child that inherits the genetic enhacement package (rather than getting it from a later injection) would be guaranteed to pass it along to their children, because their entire body carries the package anyway, including the reproductive organs.
As for Captain America packages... I think it's best if we make a number of different optimalisation packages available, with hopefully some room to fiddle with the improvements later down the line, possibly even allowing swapping to entirely different packages. However, remember that gene therapy that's supposed to impact the body's physical structure tends to be slow to show effect because of the limitations imposed by the body's maintenance system.
However, a child that inherits the genetic enhacement package (rather than getting it from a later injection) would be guaranteed to pass it along to their children, because their entire body carries the package anyway, including the reproductive organs.
As for Captain America packages... I think it's best if we make a number of different optimalisation packages available, with hopefully some room to fiddle with the improvements later down the line, possibly even allowing swapping to entirely different packages. However, remember that gene therapy that's supposed to impact the body's physical structure tends to be slow to show effect because of the limitations imposed by the body's maintenance system.
Well we need it for our super-frigate too. Hyper-modularity is special, though, because it has knock-on effects outside (and considerably beyond, IMO) merely being able to put external docking ports on our super-frigates. It opens up mining colonies, and makes humanity more Terran-esque in terms of ease of mobility and expansion. It's a really cool idea, and I'm eager to see it happen.
So basically +25% extra to make a Space Factory into a Well-armed Space Factory, or +5% extra to make a Poorly-armed Space Factory?
Can we wait until we clear the plan with the Midnoir government to put an armed Space Factory in orbit to spend the extra money, or does it have to be this quarter?Oh, and how many Space Factories--well-armed or not--can we build around a single planet?
Um, maybe? We could probably get away with a lower-cost, in-atmosphere version with only 4 repulsors for building defense. A Lesser Accipiter, 300,000 cr and 1.6 production; that way we'd have enough Production to actually build all of them this quarter.
@UberJJK, should we install Arcane Blur on the space versions too? 20% miss chance + 20% laser damage reduction gives us a 56% effectiveness boost for a mere 20% increase in cost: 480,000 cr and 2.64 production.
So, for example, a Factory III (Gen I Arc Reactors only) would cost 250 million and take 1 quarter to build, or 2? The reason I want to discount single-product factories so much in terms of time is that, unlike both specialized or general factories, they'd need to be basically rebuilt to account for new technology. That's great for, say, Gen I Arc Reactors, but not so good for our starships, which will be undergoing continual improvements for at least the next decade.
Yes, but there are also some major social and political disadvantages. Remember that for the past three years Revy has basically grown up in the public eye. Her (almost) single-handed takedown of a Batarian pirate raid is probably still a big draw on 22nd century Youtube, and I would not be surprised to see a few movie studios vying for production rights to that story. A year and a half later she makes a splash by winning the Power Armor competition against multi-billion dollar companies, again single-handedly no-selling an attempt on her life with style and panache, and a year after that she wins the IFV competition. She has developed and basically given away a fortune's worth of genetic medical technology already, and plans to do more in that space. She is the world's youngest self-made billionaire, and could probably be elected Queen of Midnoir if she bothered to ask. Everyone knows who she is by now, making her a public figure, something that we are planning on trading on to gain access to in-house AI research, BTW.
The absolute last thing we want to do to a story like that is disrupt it by making large, disruptive changes to Revy's body. Going for the Ms. Captain America look is just going to cause tongues to wag, and not about our tech or Revy's genius like we want, but about her vanity or her desire to run away from her own body. It breaks the momentum we're trying to build in her story, and it's a break that won't ever go away because everyone who looks at Revy's new body is going to be reminded of that controversy before she ever opens her mouth.
So let's keep the changes small and unobtrusive for now, and build on them as time goes by. After all, Revy's going to have Eternity to build the goddess-body.
Frankly the bit I thought was going to be most controversial about my plan was:
[O] Patent the Repulsor in Alliance space. Same deal as with the Arc Reactor before, and with the same expectation, that we will eventually be going to the Citadel with it within a few years.
How would that work exactly? Last I heard there were indications that giving Conrad access to CASIE would be a Bad Idea.
Meditation is part of biotic training, and that's the coping strategy that Dr. Kopitar suggested.
They never were; they're more a stopgap measure between now and ~late 2175 when we can get our gamma ray gigajoule lasers. Also, you can put a set of missile tubes basically anywhere, say on the outside of our shipyard, while a laser setup is going to require a bit more work.
Okay, first off let's note that, for the most part, we're using accrual accounting rather than cash basis. That means that the cost of a transaction is listed when the event associated with the expense has taken place, not when the actual cash leaves our account. In other words, even if we have earmarked the 18 billion to new buildings, most of the actual cash will likely remain in our accounts at the end of the quarter since the buildings themselves take 9-12 months to be completely built, and we aren't going to be paying up-front for everything.
Secondly, 19.45 billion is the money we have left over after paying the production cost for the Tigers, the Arc Reactors, the salaries for our workers, the upkeep on our buildings, etc. There's a reason we have an accounting spreadsheet worthy of a 10-Q for our quest.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
And on that note, should the PMC and the PI security get their own sheets to keep track of their assets?
Because as per the current plan, we will be expanding to 70, and then 120 security teams across Elysium and Mindoir. That's 1200 people for our defenses, plus the hires for the PMC itself. If we have a company of troops stationed at each of our sites - and a couple at the major ones - we probably need a page to start tracking our private army.
Because as per the current plan, we will be expanding to 70, and then 120 security teams across Elysium and Mindoir. That's 1200 people for our defenses, plus the hires for the PMC itself. If we have a company of troops stationed at each of our sites - and a couple at the major ones - we probably need a page to start tracking our private army.
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Still, I'd rather we put the points for the torpedoes into blackboxing... if we do, and only spend points on optical computing and liara's project, we can complete flawless blackboxing next quarter... i think. let me go look at numbers...
edit: Wait, we get our lab 3 next turn. never mind, it might not make a difference.
edit: Wait, we get our lab 3 next turn. never mind, it might not make a difference.
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Actually it's this turn, but that doesn't matter. Even with the Optical Computing bonus coming in at the end of this quarter, our 2-quarter RPs will total ~3348, and we'd need 4000 for both Blackboxing and Optical Computing. In other words, we're delayed until 2174-Q2 no matter what we do, and we may as well invest in some open-source tech like Advanced Xeno, AI License Prep, and Hyper-modularity, getting all three of those early.
...I've kind of been playing around with this for awhile.
Maybe, though we could just have them as separate line-items on our current finance doc. It's not like our Enumerated Assets tab is going to run out of room.
PKRudeboy
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Hey now, we're a female peak human billionaire inventor with bullshit space magic, not a female peak human billionaire admiral with bullshit space magic. There is a difference you know.
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But they are not mutually exclusive no?Hey now, we're a female peak human billionaire inventor with bullshit space magic, not a female peak human billionaire admiral with bullshit space magic. There is a difference you know.