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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Esbilon said:
I am nerfing them heavily compared to superintelligences. I am doing this so that Revy will stay relevant to the plot. AIs will be on the level of what's seen in most pieces of fiction, such as EDI; smarter than most people with access to a lot more information than most people, and with a better ability to run things in parallel than most people.
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Really? I actually expected that at the beginning... To me AI (or at least early AI) are just people without a body so their processing power isn't being taken up dealing with all the finicky bits of running a body so they are more logical and can can parallel process (I actually do this a bit to deal with my ADD not strange that if I wasn't dealing with my hyperactive body I could do it better) and can essentially upload files into it's (his/Her?) head.
 
Esbilon said:
I am nerfing them heavily compared to superintelligences. I am doing this so that Revy will stay relevant to the plot. AIs will be on the level of what's seen in most pieces of fiction, such as EDI; smarter than most people with access to a lot more information than most people, and with a better ability to run things in parallel than most people.
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So... No Culture Minds? Well, that's quite fine too - that might be an endgame / epilogie, I guess.
 
JhonCollins said:
Really? I actually expected that at the beginning... To me AI (or at least early AI) are just people without a body so their processing power isn't being taken up dealing with all the finicky bits of running a body so they are more logical and can can parallel process (I actually do this a bit to deal with my ADD not strange that if I wasn't dealing with my hyperactive body I could do it better) and can essentially upload files into it's (his/Her?) head.
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The problem with that notion is that it's not obvious how much smarter a smarter species should really be. Humans are insanely smarter than the smartest animals, even the dumbest humans can do things that are impossible to other species. So your model of a smart AI, should not be the smartest person you know in relation to you. It should be the smartest person you know in relation to the smartest chimpanzee you know of.

And that's before we add self-improving AIs into the mix, since, obviously, an AI that's smarter than the people who built it can build a smarter AI than itself. And that loop can continue from here to eternity, leading to an essential singularity.
Yog said:
So... No Culture Minds? Well, that's quite fine too - that might be an endgame / epilogie, I guess.
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I'm not exactly sure what Culture Minds are, but if you really want to make the kind of Superintelligences I do now (Princess CelestAI or the Fleetmind), I can be persuaded to allow it, but for narrative reasons, they will probably not play a central part to whatever plot Revy is pursuing.
 
Esbilon said:
I'm not exactly sure what Culture Minds are
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They're superintelligent AIs from Ian Banks' series. They essentially govern The Culture, a pseudo-utopian civilization where anyone can get anything and be anything they want to be.

Some of their mental feats include simulating entire universes, effectively predicting and working out the actions of each and every individual particle in the universe, as well as choices, history, whatever. They do this for fun, basically as a past time.
 
Dimensionist said:
They're superintelligent AIs from Ian Banks' series. They essentially govern The Culture, a pseudo-utopian civilization where anyone can get anything and be anything they want to be.

Some of their mental feats include simulating entire universes, effectively predicting and working out the actions of each and every individual particle in the universe, as well as choices, history, whatever. They do this for fun, basically as a past time.
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Yet referers still exist.
 
Van Ropen said:
Yeah, the avoid the Veil because everyone who enters it dies. Because the Geth shoot them. Why would we be any different?
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At what point did the Geth split between "heretics" and "true geth" happen? Its notable that Legion does not seem all that inherently anti-organic and even demonstrates curiosity about other species, so its odd that anyone entering the veil is instantly killed no matter what.

I mean why would the "true geth" basically murder anyone trying to contact them, when they could achieve the same result of isolationism by just sending a message to any visitors where they say they don't plan to start any wars and just want to be left alone, and then ordering the other ship to turn back. This would actually work better, since it would stop or atleast reduce any further contact attempts.

Just wondering which version of the geth it is that kills everyone who enters? When we eventually develop an AI, such an AI would probably make an excellent emissary to the geth. The true geth would likely be fascinated by another sentient software intelligence (atleast enough to open some degree of contact), however the heretics would be just as (if not more) hostile since they serve the reapers.


Esbilon said:
I am nerfing them heavily compared to superintelligences. I am doing this so that Revy will stay relevant to the plot. AIs will be on the level of what's seen in most pieces of fiction, such as EDI; smarter than most people with access to a lot more information than most people, and with a better ability to run things in parallel than most people.
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This seems best to me for balance reasons. I kinda figured that once we get a full AI (presumably Cortana atleast?), it would basically take a role similar to other people in the quest like Brian or Liara or Sheps mother.

Basically a character and and assistant&friend of Revys that she and others would interact with. Theres a lot of potentially interesting storylines with something like that (how does Revy view AI she creates, whats the public opinion, does Revy have to confront AI-bigots, what does the council think if Revy has a constant AI-assistant around all the time, etc etc).
 
Datakim said:
At what point did the Geth split between "heretics" and "true geth" happen? Its notable that Legion does not seem all that inherently anti-organic and even demonstrates curiosity about other species, so its odd that anyone entering the veil is instantly killed no matter what.

I mean why would the "true geth" basically murder anyone trying to contact them, when they could achieve the same result of isolationism by just sending a message to any visitors where they say they don't plan to start any wars and just want to be left alone, and then ordering the other ship to turn back. This would actually work better, since it would stop or atleast reduce any further contact attempts.

Just wondering which version of the geth it is that kills everyone who enters? When we eventually develop an AI, such an AI would probably make an excellent emissary to the geth. The true geth would likely be fascinated by another sentient software intelligence (atleast enough to open some degree of contact), however the heretics would be just as (if not more) hostile since they serve the reapers.
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The split is recent - it happened after Nazara contacted the Geth, meaning it's, at most, thirty to forty years old. Legion was reacting to Nazara's death. Geth murder everyone because... Well, for one, only murder worked on quarians. For two, they believe in self-determination and want to "build their own future" meaning they don't want any contact.

If anything, I expect heretics to side with us, not true geth
 
Yog said:
The split is recent - it happened after Nazara contacted the Geth, meaning it's, at most, thirty to forty years old. Legion was reacting to Nazara's death. Geth murder everyone because... Well, for one, only murder worked on quarians. For two, they believe in self-determination and want to "build their own future" meaning they don't want any contact.

If anything, I expect heretics to side with us, not true geth
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Point. Honestly, calling them true/heretic geth is actually kind of misleading, since even Legion admits the only essential difference is that one side is willing to accept assistance from outside sources and the other will only consider it if there's no better options. The "heretics" are only evil because they were stupid enough to accept help from the Reapers of all beings, and the "true" geth did the exact same thing as soon as their backs were to the wall.
 
Datakim said:
I mean why would the "true geth" basically murder anyone trying to contact them, when they could achieve the same result of isolationism by just sending a message to any visitors where they say they don't plan to start any wars and just want to be left alone, and then ordering the other ship to turn back. This would actually work better, since it would stop or atleast reduce any further contact attempts.

Just wondering which version of the geth it is that kills everyone who enters? When we eventually develop an AI, such an AI would probably make an excellent emissary to the geth. The true geth would likely be fascinated by another sentient software intelligence (atleast enough to open some degree of contact), however the heretics would be just as (if not more) hostile since they serve the reapers.
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Both types of Geth, which as has been pointed out is a very recent split.

They do it because they think no contact is the superior condition, and don't quite understand the organic interpretation of their actions - it was an interesting thing about them that Bioware whitewashed away in favor of "the Morning War: Nazi Boogaloo edition, they were really just misunderstood all along."

I actually remember a quote about this from some fanfiction, let me find it...here we go:

As part of the machine-gestalt identity, the Geth don't handle the importance of other people's views very well. They don't understand the Heretics, or organics, but they have a hard time realizing that those groups likely don't understand them either. Fitting with the Geth's depiction in canon as factually smart but socially ignorant, a species still in its infancy, the Geth have a child's belief in that other people understand their intentions. What Geth think of as showing their desire for a no-hostility peace (not going elsewhere and making contact, defending their own territory), other species view with suspicion (because the Geth kill everyone who goes near to talk to them, like they have something to hide). The Geth are aware of their own limitations in understanding others, but don't quite get that others don't understand the Geth perspective as well. To the True Geth, is should be obvious they don't mean any ill will towards Organics: it is the Heretics attacking, after all.
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So basically we misunderstand them and they then misunderstand our misunderstanding? Christ, it's my 3rd grade experience on a cosmic scale...
 
In regards to contacting the geth, can't we send in a package requesting to talk with the geth? As in, leave them a box on their frontdoor requesting either permission to talk/negotiate with them or an ambassador(?) of theirs to contact us?
 
I actually think that it would be easier to contact them through the extranet, we know there are Geth in the network so why not send something that way?
 
kylina said:
In regards to contacting the geth, can't we send in a package requesting to talk with the geth? As in, leave them a box on their frontdoor requesting either permission to talk/negotiate with them or an ambassador(?) of theirs to contact us?
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That's been done, the Geth shot it if it entered their territory or ignored it if it didn't.

The Geth really want to be left alone.
 
Really, ones I want to contact are virtual aliens. And, well, kryptonians (well, obviously not the "real" ones, but just those that we could save).
 
Yog said:
Really, ones I want to contact are virtual aliens. And, well, kryptonians (well, obviously not the "real" ones, but just those that we could save).
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Actually that's a better Idea than the Geth, they are actually far closer to the AI that we would make and are inherently more understandable than the Geth being uploaded organics. Promoting them is a far better course of action I can't believe I forgot about them.
 
Yog said:
Really, ones I want to contact are virtual aliens. And, well, kryptonians (well, obviously not the "real" ones, but just those that we could save).
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Would definitely be interesting, especially if we have researched Full Body Prosthetics by then.

That said, they presumably won't be discovered for years.
 
JhonCollins said:
Actually that's a better Idea than the Geth, they are actually far closer to the AI that we would make and are inherently more understandable than the Geth being uploaded organics. Promoting them is a far better course of action I can't believe I forgot about them.
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It would be useful...but they came to the Citadel, not the other way around. We have no way of reaching them.
 
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