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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Yes, do you know why civilians are banned? BECAUSE THE GETH MURDER EVERYTHING THEY COME ACROSS.

Do you think the Terminus gives a single fuck about Citadel travel advisory notices? Let me answer that: no. In 300 years, some civilians have wandered into the veil - statistics wouldn't allow otherwise. I am sure some Asari tried the diplomacy thing at some point too, it's difficult to believe otherwise.


I don't get why you are belaboring this point, there isn't any ambiguity here. The Geth are militant isolationists, and murder the fuck out of everything that enters "their space". You aren't going to change that with a soundbyte - they will weigh your message against their memories of the Morning War and all their knowledge of the Council, and have no reason to value your word particularly highly.

Haestrom doesn't disprove that - guess what they did the second they located someone in the system? Try to murderize it.
 
The truly tragic thing, that the Quarinas themselves were the one who were understood their own creations at the least, and they list their planet, due of their anti-AI dogma, a the were thrown out from Citadel, based on the same dogma, which made then lase their homeworld.

Basically the were screwed twice based on the anti-AI dogma.

All they would had to do, to stop manufacturing current generation Geth units, and make the the next generation unable to form AI.
 
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Meh, I got kinda off topic with that, the point is that the circumstances are changing and it is possible that the Geth would be interested in us (As AI they would be) enough to hear us out. At this point the only thing my plan has to loose is a single unarmed message drone and some time. The benefits would be quite great, notably the Geth have plasma weapons and other relatively advanced tech and coming to a peaceful resolution with a 'hostile' AI race would probably go a big step towards being given a AI research licence.

I don't particularly care if it works or not, however lets do a bit of math on this. Assuming the Geth have a 10% chance of sending a response and that comes with a ~5,000,000,000 credit value befit should it succeed (AI research + PR + some communiqué with the Geth pre-reaper war + possibility of information on the heretics {75% chance they trust us enough should they accept the treaty which results in knowledge of the Reapers} + Quarians love you {also includes Quarian tech expertise}) that boils to ~500,000,000 credits total value. The drone and the time to make contact with the migrant fleet along with the fuel and maintenance to get there and possibly a small gift together would cost ~50,000 credits at most and that is an obscenely high estimate but oh well. you still have a 10,000:1 profit to loss ratio. not a bad deal and considering our finances (we have 14,465,250,100 credits{I think these are credits?} gambling off 50,000 credits isn't too much.
 
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Van Ropen said:
Yes, do you know why civilians are banned? BECAUSE THE GETH MURDER EVERYTHING THEY COME ACROSS.

Do you think the Terminus gives a single fuck about Citadel travel advisory notices? Let me answer that: no. In 300 years, some civilians have wandered into the veil - statistics wouldn't allow otherwise. I am sure some Asari tried the diplomacy thing at some point too, it's difficult to believe otherwise.


I don't get why you are belaboring this point, there isn't any ambiguity here. The Geth are militant isolationists, and murder the fuck out of everything that enters "their space". You aren't going to change that with a soundbyte - they will weigh your message against their memories of the Morning War and all their knowledge of the Council, and have no reason to value your word particularly highly.

Haestrom doesn't disprove that - guess what they did the second they located someone in the system? Try to murderize it.
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Which is kind of amusing given they were actually waiting for the Quarians to return once they had finished cleaning the pollution and radiation damage to the planets. Which makes me think that the Quarians never tried to scout around in Geth space, because, apparently, the Geth would have just let them in.
At least, according to Legion. Who knows when the Heretics cropped up, they might have been the ones shooting down all the ships.
 
JhonCollins said:
Meh, I got kinda off topic with that, the point is that the circumstances are changing and it is possible that the Geth would be interested in us (As AI they would be) enough to hear us out. At this point the only thing my plan has to loose is a single unarmed message drone and some time. The benefits would be quite great, notably the Geth have plasma weapons and other relatively advanced tech and coming to a peaceful resolution with a 'hostile' AI race would probably go a big step towards being given a AI research licence.

I don't particularly care if it works or not, however lets do a bit of math on this. Assuming the Geth have a 10% chance of sending a response and that comes with a ~5,000,000,000 credit value befit should it succeed (AI research + PR + some communiqué with the Geth pre-reaper war + possibility of information on the heretics {75% chance they trust us enough should they accept the treaty which results in knowledge of the Reapers} + Quarians love you {also includes Quarian tech expertise}) that boils to ~500,000,000 credits total value. The drone and the time to make contact with the migrant fleet along with the fuel and maintenance to get there and possibly a small gift together would cost ~50,000 credits at most and that is an obscenely high estimate but oh well. you still have a 10,000:1 profit to loss ratio. not a bad deal and considering our finances (we have 14,465,250,100 credits{I think these are credits?} gambling off 50,000 credits isn't too much.
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10%? You are very optimistic. Of the hundreds of ships that have no doubt gotten near the Veil in 300 years, none that entered it survived. That sounds like a 0% chance to me. Even if we say Revy is super special and the Geth will magically start slavering over dat Shepard magic (before the Reaper killing happened which is what attracted their attention in the first place), we are talking about something far below 1%.

Waiting that long for AI research is stupid, and we have no IC justification for this course of action whatsoever.


You want Quarians to love you? Fix their immune system, tell them to plop their asses down on the first dextro colony they can find in the Terminus and focus on domestic growth for a bit so they can act from a secure base in the future. They can consider military action when they aren't an endangered species in the throes of a humanitarian crisis. We should have resolved this by then.

Mgunh1 said:
Which is kind of amusing given they were actually waiting for the Quarians to return once they had finished cleaning the pollution and radiation damage to the planets. Which makes me think that the Quarians never tried to scout around in Geth space, because, apparently, the Geth would have just let them in.
At least, according to Legion. Who knows when the Heretics cropped up, they might have been the ones shooting down all the ships.
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The Schism was no more than 30 years ago, Geth have been shooting shit down for 300.
 
JhonCollins said:
and the actual scanning process?

I doubt that the Geth would miss that.
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LADAR is a LASER scanning system. Unless the Geth sensors intersect the whisker LASERS, it's entirely likely that it could go undetected. ALso, space is pretty big. Even if the Geth realise there is a ship there, it's unlikely they could find the Normandy.
 
Personally I always took ME1 Geth they killed everyone vs ME 2/3 nope they really just missed their creators as a shift in writer's opinion on them and one really shouldn't take the whole ME 1 stuff super serious due to newer canon stuff overwriting old...

Of course the whole ME2 geth still trying to kill you/Quarians. eh. heretics are bad?
 
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lordnyx said:
Personally I always took ME1 Geth they killed everyone vs ME 2/3 nope they really just missed their creators as a shift in writer's opinion on them and one really shouldn't take the whole ME 1 stuff super serious due to newer canon stuff overwriting old...

Of course the whole ME2 geth still trying to kill you/Quarians. eh.
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Except they kept that fact in the Codex of the later installments too.

It was always really stupid. While I can appreciate the message being about miscommunication, some actual conflict there would have been better.
 
Mgunh1 said:
Which is kind of amusing given they were actually waiting for the Quarians to return once they had finished cleaning the pollution and radiation damage to the planets. Which makes me think that the Quarians never tried to scout around in Geth space, because, apparently, the Geth would have just let them in.
At least, according to Legion. Who knows when the Heretics cropped up, they might have been the ones shooting down all the ships.
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Not exactly. The Geth weren't waiting for the Quarians to return. The Geth were in the process of creating a dyson shell around Rannoch's sun.

The Geth want to be reconciled with the Quarians, but they are aware of the Quarian capacity for duplicity. They tried to eradicate the Geth once before. The Geth won't allow the Quarians to do it again. If the Geth do allow the Quarians back, it will only be because the Quarians have proven trustworthy.
 
Mgunh1 said:
Which is kind of amusing given they were actually waiting for the Quarians to return once they had finished cleaning the pollution and radiation damage to the planets. Which makes me think that the Quarians never tried to scout around in Geth space, because, apparently, the Geth would have just let them in.
At least, according to Legion. Who knows when the Heretics cropped up, they might have been the ones shooting down all the ships.
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I completely agree with that. I personally believe that the only real excursions into Geth space have been done with militaristic goals in mind (I understand that the Terminus exists but for the most part that is ruled by a shit ton of warlords and is generally heavily militaristic, the citadel, well you know my argument there (Asaris are extremely synthophobic I still think they would not try diplomacy with the Geth). So no diplomatic talks. Finally it is noted that my plan calls for Quarian support, according to Legion and therefore the Geth they would let the Quarians colonise Rannoch if they did so peacefully.

Van Ropen said:
10%? You are very optimistic. Of the hundreds of ships that have no doubt gotten near the Veil in 300 years, none that entered it survived. That sounds like a 0% chance to me. Even if we say Revy is super special and the Geth will magically start slavering over dat Shepard magic (before the Reaper killing happened which is what attracted their attention in the first place), we are talking about something far below 1%.

Waiting that long for AI research is stupid, and we have no IC justification for this course of action whatsoever.


You want Quarians to love you? Fix their immune system, tell them to plop their asses down on the first dextro colony they can find in the Terminus and focus on domestic growth for a bit so they can act from a secure base in the future. They can consider military action when they aren't an endangered species in the throes of a humanitarian crisis. We should have resolved this by then.


The Schism was no more than 30 years ago, Geth have been shooting shit down for 300.
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This can be pulled up within one fiscal quarter if we get to the Quarians quickly enough thats the big wait there, if we can catch them in a system soon after we decide to start and assuming that we can get them to agree to a plan which has little to no cost of their own that might net them their home world would only take a week at most, then drawing out a suitable treaty and you have another week gone, two weeks for the delay between the announcement and the delivery of the message before less then one month to pan out. with the Quarians backing you on a peaceful envoy that is completely unarmed with full and IMHO quite acceptable terms for the machine race you have a significantly higher chance of success much higher than the 10% I just randomly picked. Esbilon would have to tell us the actual success rate.
and BTW it is cannon that Saren was first Indoctrinated ~2165 (see here)

Amberion said:
LADAR is a LASER scanning system. Unless the Geth sensors intersect the whisker LASERS, it's entirely likely that it could go undetected. ALso, space is pretty big. Even if the Geth realise there is a ship there, it's unlikely they could find the Normandy.
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it also uses RADAR and only the most developed spy drones ever made it through undetected.
 
JhonCollins said:
I completely agree with that. I personally believe that the only real excursions into Geth space have been done with militaristic goals in mind (I understand that the Terminus exists but for the most part that is ruled by a shit ton of warlords and is generally heavily militaristic, the citadel, well you know my argument there (Asaris are extremely synthophobic I still think they would not try diplomacy with the Geth). So no diplomatic talks. Finally it is noted that my plan calls for Quarian support, according to Legion and therefore the Geth they would let the Quarians colonise Rannoch if they did so peacefully.



This can be pulled up within one fiscal quarter if we get to the Quarians quickly enough thats the big wait there, if we can catch them in a system soon after we decide to start and assuming that we can get them to agree to a plan which has little to no cost of their own that might net them their home world would only take a week at most, then drawing out a suitable treaty and you have another week gone, two weeks for the delay between the announcement and the delivery of the message before less then one month to pan out. with the Quarians backing you on a peaceful envoy that is completely unarmed with full and IMHO quite acceptable terms for the machine race you have a significantly higher chance of success much higher than the 10% I just randomly picked. Esbilon would have to tell us the actual success rate.
and BTW it is cannon that Saren was first Indoctrinated ~2165 (see here)



it also uses RADAR and only the most developed spy drones ever made it through undetected.
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The obvious solution is to NOT USE RADAR in a system where you don't want to be detected.
 
JhonCollins said:
I completely agree with that. I personally believe that the only real excursions into Geth space have been done with militaristic goals in mind (I understand that the Terminus exists but for the most part that is ruled by a shit ton of warlords and is generally heavily militaristic, the citadel, well you know my argument there (Asaris are extremely synthophobic I still think they would not try diplomacy with the Geth). So no diplomatic talks. Finally it is noted that my plan calls for Quarian support, according to Legion and therefore the Geth they would let the Quarians colonise Rannoch if they did so peacefully.
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That's nice, personal beliefs are important. But lets look at what we know -the Asari might have been synthophobic, but they only acted on it after the Geth. There were AI on the Citadel before that. You know what makes sense as a reason why? The fact that they don't negotiate in any way. The Terminus is not just "warlords" - it is entire nations, corporate entities, pirates, warlords, and perfectly respectable independent colonies. Keep in mind that as far as the Geth are concerned, they are at peace.

This can be pulled up within one fiscal quarter if we get to the Quarians quickly enough thats the big wait there, if we can catch them in a system soon after we decide to start and assuming that we can get them to agree to a plan which has little to no cost of their own that might net them their home world would only take a week at most, then drawing out a suitable treaty and you have another week gone, two weeks for the delay between the announcement and the delivery of the message before less then one month to pan out. with the Quarians backing you on a peaceful envoy that is completely unarmed with full and IMHO quite acceptable terms for the machine race you have a significantly higher chance of success much higher than the 10% I just randomly picked. Esbilon would have to tell us the actual success rate.
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"Hello Quarians, I am Revy Shepard. You stupid fucking savages have it completely wrong, you should try talking to the Geth. Ask them nicely to give your planet back after the genocide they inflicted on your people, consigning you to this miserable existence. But don't worry, Mighty Whitey Humanity is here to solve your problems. Let's send a probe."
<Meanwhile, in Geth space>
"Organic probe detected illegally entering Geth space. Broadcasting message of peace, request for diplomatic talks."
"Chance this is a trap or will end in hostilities, like every other interaction with organics we have had since the dawn of the Morning War?"
"High. Consensus achieved, follow standard protocol. Shoot it."

and BTW it is cannon that Saren was first Indoctrinated ~2165 (see here)
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Relevance? People are saying "30 years" for exactly that reason.
 
......Von you aren't going to convince him, and while I think you are right, I think its best that you drop this since its pretty much turned into a game of who gets the last word at this point.
 
Amberion said:
:Citation Needed: where does it say that LADAR is slow?
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http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Normandy_SR-2#Sensors_.26_Scanning said:
The Normandy SR-2 uses a variety of passive and active scanners, such as visual, thermographic, and radio detectors, radar, and LADAR (LAser Detection and Ranging). LADAR has a narrower field of view than radar, but ladar resolution allows images of detected objects to be assembled.
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It doesn't say it's slower. It just says it's narrower. You're forgetting about passive detection systems which can work pretty well for figuring out where things are in a solar system.
 
Amberion said:
It doesn't say it's slower. It just says it's narrower. You're forgetting about passive detection systems which can work pretty well for figuring out where things are in a solar system.
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As long as you don't have the Argus then you have to sweep the LADAR system over the planet, covering a large area such as the surface of a planet takes time, even with the radar system a narrower FOV would take even longer but if the FOV was wide enough theta the change wasn't exactly appreciable then what's the point of LADAR over radar since they would both be sensed?
 
I need to design something to get my head off this topic... Element zero enhanced FELs are a go. I'll have them done within a few hours roughly six.
 
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Difficult to write up but the device mainly shrinks down what we already have, the FTL electron produced by the election vibrating within the side panels cause X-rays to be emitted, notably very low x-rays but that is countered by a second effect, upon leaving the low mass region the X-rays compress due to the suddenly lower speed of light, this depending on the amount the speed of light is decreased results in far higher frequency upon exiting the barrel. Finally due to the structure of an FEL continuous output from the cathode ray tube allows for a continuous X-ray. finally die to the lower c outside the barrel, the light output over a period of time is significantly increased allowing you to produce extremely powerful beams. finally if my head-math is right you should be able to pack this down to about 20 cm in length.
 
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Hey. Do you think we could design a floating ground system for ships and their Eezo cores that nullifies the charge build-up entirely? Warringer used that idea in his "On the Shoulders of Giants" story.
 
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