Do you realize how much courier transfer would slow down the data transfer? Bandwidth and instant communication are critical.Really, couriers with one time pads are not feasible or comparable with QEC.
Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
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Actually, I already knew that Eternal Youth applies to aliens too. I was referring to your earlier post:
Frankly, as a negotiating tactic, Eternal Youth is less likely to be useful to us as Advanced Xeno and upping the availability of 1st gen Arc reactors, possibly even open-sourcing the design as soon as we tech up to the 2nd or 3rd gen reactors. The Salarians are going to be the biggest benefactors of Eternal Youth, and I see them as being the least anti-AI of the three members of the Council.
...which implies that we were keeping Eternal Youth as human-only as a deliberate negotiating tactic inside Alliance space, which doesn't make sense because 1) the Alliance is much less likely to be resistant to AI research as the Turian and Asari Council members, neither of whom are going to be appeased by humanity living forever, and 2) it's morally repugnant to not release Eternal Youth to the galaxy at large as soon as we gain access to it.
Frankly, as a negotiating tactic, Eternal Youth is less likely to be useful to us as Advanced Xeno and upping the availability of 1st gen Arc reactors, possibly even open-sourcing the design as soon as we tech up to the 2nd or 3rd gen reactors. The Salarians are going to be the biggest benefactors of Eternal Youth, and I see them as being the least anti-AI of the three members of the Council.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Eternal Youth is not to convince the Alliance to allow us to research AI. It is to convince politicians that bitching about us releasing Peak Human to the galaxy at large would be a very bad idea.
I don't think anyone in this thread wants to keep Eternal Youth human-only. That said, using it as a negotiating tactic? Common fucking sense. Dress it up as a necessary delay to secure the massive benefits Shepard-AI will bring to galaxy at large if your morals are feeling achy.
Don't underestimate the bandwidth of a transport fleet of data disks.
Seriously, don't: most bulk-archiving is done by shipping drives even today, with only incremental backups being done via network transfers.Once we've made the handover of the one-time pads, we can transmit the actual communications over the extranet, with mathematically-provable impossible to hack encryption. The actual communication will be as instant as the extranet allows, and given that we are a very rich corporation we can get fast access to the extranet fairly easily. Now, this isn't a long-term solution, certainly; we'll need a full-duplex network between our research labs at least, which means that the number of one-time pads we'll need will go up quadratically as the number of lab sites we have, but by the time that becomes anything like an issue we will have the QEC tech as part of our Cabira research and it won't be an issue.
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Personally, I don't think that we should even research eternal youth until after the Reapers have come and gone. Think about it, a few years after everyone can spend eternity with their loved ones a giant mass of space tentacles comes and takes it all away. Morale would be shattered. Conversely having eternal youth after the reapers means that Shepard can go "Okay people I've made you all immortal now go make some babies..... except for you Asari, I mean i tried but your DNA was like 'GTFO I have way too much to deal with considering that I have natural biotics, thousand year lifespan, and the ability to procreate with every other species and gender I don't have any more space.' So......Yeah"
If in theory we could produce relay grade mass effecting fields then we could have shots fly though what is basically a phased-out object.
At best guess the reason that the Conduit (being the best in games example of this as Shepard flies though the presidium ring if I recall the geometry right) and Mass Relays don't smear shred or pancake travelers on the intervening matter is because the object so effected is basically not there. Also explains a few of the effect of the charge power, though that could be game play. Basically any mass that is 0 or nearly zero is treated as being not there.
Though that just a guess.
Did the QM officially okay it with a point value?
At best guess the reason that the Conduit (being the best in games example of this as Shepard flies though the presidium ring if I recall the geometry right) and Mass Relays don't smear shred or pancake travelers on the intervening matter is because the object so effected is basically not there. Also explains a few of the effect of the charge power, though that could be game play. Basically any mass that is 0 or nearly zero is treated as being not there.
Though that just a guess.
Did the QM officially okay it with a point value?
Generally the discussion of a new tech and its approval and assigned value have been done in thread. Unless that changed?
It would!
and I'm sorry the level of science-geekery is scaring people off, but I personally like it, so I'm not going to put a stop to it. You're free to pick up other subjects though, and we can try having parallel discussions going.
Nope.
You just ask, and then I consider, and possibly add, it at my leisure. This usually happens in bulk.
in other news, quoting on a tablet sucks.
And FYI as far as I know the official tech tree is in with the character bio in the second post. The tech sheet that I linked to is a planning document the denizens of this thread came up with, so adding more entries to it doesn't matter unless and until the actual tech is approved by the QM.
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Courier transfers, no matter its bandwidth averaged over a period of time, is not a method of real time communication. Which is what would be needed f o r interlanoratory communication. As to using unbreakable encryption... I wouldn't really want to bet on it. Leaving that issue aside, QEC doesn't rely on mass relays or extranet network. Which is important. Because I don't want to keep QEC to ourselves. I want to disseminate it, in order to start lowering the prices of eezo (via dropping the demand from what is likely one lf the biggest consumers), ensure that communkcations can't be intercepted (thus increasing the security of the metwork overall), and start preparing for the Reapera. Galaxy-wide pervasive use of QEC won't happen overnight. It'll take several years. I want to start as early as possible.Don't underestimate the bandwidth of a transport fleet of data disks.
Once we've made the handover of the one-time pads, we can transmit the actual communications over the extranet, with mathematically-provable impossible to hack encryption. The actual communication will be as instant as the extranet allows, and given that we are a very rich corporation we can get fast access to the extranet fairly easily. Now, this isn't a long-term solution, certainly; we'll need a full-duplex network between our research labs at least, which means that the number of one-time pads we'll need will go up quadratically as the number of lab sites we have, but by the time that becomes anything like an issue we will have the QEC tech as part of our Cabira research and it won't be an issue.
Plus, I want to inspire others in the setting to try and cojnter it. We can't, and shouldn't, save the galaxy alone. We should make it such that the galaxy can defend itself. This means spurring on inventions of others.
For example, I kinda expect gravitic sensors to be developed without our direct input after introduction of our frigatez.
Emizaquel
What is a self?
@Ebsion,
What would be the points for:
What would be the points for:
- Null Barrier : a modification of pre-existing kinetic barriers, rather than applying repulsive mass effect shields to a incoming projectiles, a mass reduction field is projected covering an area containing the outer 1-2 mm of the armour and extends out 1-2 centimetres for infantry grade shields more for ship based as they have to cover an entire incoming MAC slug.
- Reactive Shield : combine null barriers with sensors for ship based ME fields so that you only activate the portion of the field and the field depth necessary to neutralise incoming fire.
- Reverse Event Horizon Shields : a derivative of the reactive shield designed for energy weapons, should energy weapons be detected singularities are created away from the ship to re-direct energy away from the ship.
- Reactive Shield : combine null barriers with sensors for ship based ME fields so that you only activate the portion of the field and the field depth necessary to neutralise incoming fire.
- Assisted Biotic Charge : Using the standard biotic charge as a template the device propels an object along a pre-determined course at high velocity - possible applications high velocity manoeuvring, in facility rapid transport and depending on the speed that is achievable possibly long range tactical deployment of assets.
- FTL Sensors : Using FTL comm-buoys as a template use the technology to allow FTL sensor pings
- Usage of free electron lasers instead of the current models allowing for X-Ray or microwave lasers, increasing accuracy and range
- FTL Lasers, using a comm buoy as a template use the technology to allow the laser to propagate at FTL speeds and allow for longer range and reduced reaction time.
- Research into how the Relays actually manage to avoid all the interstellar debris between each other (phasing could be useful for a lot of stuff if that is what it turns out to be)
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Emizaquel
What is a self?
You act like they don't exist... Your phone can do it.
3) The problem with this is that comm buoys are tight beam projectors. To effectively use them, you'd need sensors with attosecond responce times, if jot better. Something no one has at the moment.
4) See variable wavelength lasers. Blueshift is one hell of a drug.
4) See variable wavelength lasers. Blueshift is one hell of a drug.
I know that. Getting such working over space ranges (light seconds and more), and sensitive enough to detect stuff with effective mass of grams (mass lightening fields, remember?) is another thing entirely. I would expect ME gravitic sensors to work based on their dark energy sensors.
I... don't think you understand how one-time pads work:
1) Creation of one-time pad: find a source of randomness, and record a whole bunch of it, in ones and zeroes. This is your pad.
2) Initial handoff: keep a copy of your pad at your source, and transport the other copy to your destination. This is the security-critical step; you have to ensure that nobody has copied your pad in transit. Note that 1) and 2) can be set up long, long before the actual secret message has been transmitted.
3) Source encryption of secret message: take your message, XOR it with a section of your one-time pad. You now have an encrypted message, which can be sent over an unsecure network to your destination, along with a reference to where in your one-time pad for your recipient to look.
4) Destination decryption: at the destination, recipient takes the encrypted message and XORs again with the same section of one-time pad. Original message pops out.
The point of all this is that messages encrypted via one time pads are provably, mathematically secure, so long as only the source and destination know the one-time pad: it is literally impossible to decrypt the encrypted message without being in possession of the pad. The pad itself can be arbitrarily large, and can be send by courier long before the secret message is ever written, and is in fact not dependent on the content of the message itself in any way. In one sense, you can think of a one time pad as a pre-arranged password with a length as long as the secret message itself.
Emizaquel
What is a self?
3) if they can project ME fields across entire clusters who says that you can't modify the tech so that you get a wider field within say 2 light minutes that's less than the distance from the earth to the sun and you should be able to detect and then react to things coming at you at up to twice the speed of light, more depending on the speed of your sensors, processing power and your point defence.
4) that is an effective alternative but using a FEL would just increase the power of the laser and make a generally better weapon.
P.S. added a bunch of stuff to my original post
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I should note that even with current information technology it'd be a trivial exercise to store enough random numbers on a hard drive to make a one time pad that will allow the transfer of entire libraries worth of text. And as it's so big you can even reuse it a few times, although of course subsequent uses are less secure as there's a chance that an observer might note a recurring pattern and crack (part) of the message that way.
Ok. Still doesn't make me want QEC any less. Especially since one time pads can be copied, while QEC pairs, from what we know, can't.
Ome possinle big problem with 3. As far as we saw, mass relays always work in pairs. They establish connection between two installations at the ends of the beam. While this might potentially be used to make preset detector nets in spsce, it might mean that a lone ship wouldn't be anle to use this, as it would lack a receiver. It could probably be solved with an FTL drone flying around the ship... Something to think about.
That's not true! I participate in most the discussion and only took up to high school physics. In fact I had like a B- to B average in HS physics...
Leaving aside that we don't know how expensive QEC is going to be (likely to be very, given the need for long-range, long-term quantum entanglement, likely of an ensemble), and whether it will see widespread adoption outside the military where the benefits make the most sense, QECs pale in comparison to functional, friendly AIs in terms of benefits against the Reapers. For one, if we have a friendly allied AI in our employ it will make a wonderful bargaining chip when negotiating with the Geth. Hell, with our AI diplomat and our Cassie implant we could probably get the Geth to join the Alliance, especially when the Reapers come knocking. Wouldn't that be something, to have the Geth join us before they and the Quarians wipe out a substantial portion of their respective militaries? We might not even have to abandon Earth at all!
Anyway that's all meta-knowledge. Revy's not choosing her 2174 research goals based on an event that she has no idea will happen in 10-ish years.
And, under my plan, we'll have them, in 2175, one year after @UberJJK has them. I just think getting a jump on AI research should take a higher priority to adding the fourth lock on our back door.
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The problem with this is there are then multiple sets of pads needing stored and rendered physically secure from copying, both during transport and while unused. It's an extra repeated failure point. The signal is also still interceptable and can be eventually decrypted.
QEC only needs the transmitter/receiver to be secured which would be part of our standard data security anyway and the signal can't be intercepted short of stealing the transmitter from our heavily defended compound at which point stealing the research itself is much easier.
When your dealing with research as sensitive politically as AI you can't have too many locks.
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Emizaquel
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From what I know the council races can create FTL com buoys – also not the point... The FTL sensors use the tech from said buoys to allow for FTL sensor pings within a region.