If people don't want to be immortal that's fine, I said granted access to it not forced to undergo it
We are a company not a government(yet) so stuff like that is up to them but we shouldn't make it so expensive that only the rich can afford it every one should be able to.
This is the internet you can't be sure if someone is serious or not.
Uplifting of sapient species, creation of new life, and adding new abilities to existing life are all technically illegal, ref http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Gene_therapy . While age prolongation would certainly count as expanding an existing ability, immortality could be argued to be fundamentally different, much like infinity is not really a number.
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Well... technically stopping aging is removing a capability from an existing lifeform. Getting old and making way for the next generation is a feature of fast evolving life, not a defect. I'm fairly sure we had to evolve Senescence, and reversing the changes of that evolution isn't the same as, say, adding wings, or built in biological radios or something.
You can also word it as simply a cure for the various illnesses and frailness of age - call it a cure for "TDS" (Time Degradation Syndrome) instead of calling it eternal youth.
If they really try to hit us with that, throw enough money at Lawyers and Lobbyists and we have very reasonable grounds to argue that we're not violating any of those restrictions.
Besides, how do they fight making people live longer without getting a political black eye? Especially once Peak Human is extended to Citadel species, showing that we are willing to share?
I wonder how Asari immortality is going to work they have three separate stages of life maiden, matron and matriarch will our treatment allow for the recipient to chose what stage they want to be or will most Asari become matriarchs after a long enough time?
Okay. Clarification time because people are probably not understanding me. I am not against releasing OP tech. I am also not against Revy getting profit from these technologies. I am against doing it in such a manner and succession that makes it look like we are trying to make Humanity the top dog hyper power that replaces the Asari in just a decades time. Everyone will freak out then.
Frankly our genetic engineering tech is not going to do that.
Everyone been Peak Human will have little effect in the near term. We're talking at least 20+ years before it really has an effect on humanity.
What will scare the fuck out of the Citadel Council will be the military tech we're selling to the Alliance. Used correctly I can see a single Cabira taking down a Dreadnaught. Used with proper military combination of forces it completely changes the combat paradigm in a dozen ways.
The first and most obvious is it allows for the ultimate alpha strike. Have covert forces in the area feeding information out via undetectable QECs which allow a wave of Cabira to drop out of FTL right ontop of their targets and unload a devastating alpha strike. At which point they either jump back to FTL and swing around for another undetectable attack or raise their TIR system and completely disappear.
That's discounting the various insane calcs I've done, since Esbilon might end up ignoring them, where they are over 60x faster then an equvilant ship and capable of traveling basically anywhere in known space without using a Relay.
Frankly genetic engineering nothing compared to what they really should, and will, be worrying about.
I wonder how Asari immortality is going to work they have three separate stages of life maiden, matron and matriarch will our treatment allow for the recipient to chose what stage they want to be or will most Asari become matriarchs after a long enough time?
Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes. The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.
The Matron stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.
The Matriarch stage begins around 700, or earlier if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience.
While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices. For example, there are Maidens who stay close to home rather than explore, Matrons who would rather work than build a family, and Matriarchs who have no interest in community affairs.
I really, really wish we could rely on starry-eyed optimism here, but history and current events prove that sort of optimism is usually proven to be naive. Just because religion is not considered fashionable in the Alliance military does not mean there will not be a militant response, in fact this is likely to make what religious objections there will be worse, as the people objecting will feel they have no official recourse.
Establishment Edit
In 2148, a mining team on Mars made perhaps humanity's greatest discovery. After investigating the "Bermuda Triangle-like" reputation of the southern pole, the team unearthed the subterranean ruins of an ancient alien research station, revealing incontrovertible proof of the existence of alien life. Humanity was no longer alone in the universe.
The impact was profound in all areas of human culture, but nowhere more so than religion. New beliefs sprang up overnight such as the Interventionary Evolutionists, who zealously proclaimed the discovery as proof that all human history had been directed and controlled by alien forces. Even established religions struggled to explain extraterrestrial life. Some tried to incorporate this new-found knowledge into their dogma, some remained silent, while a few tried to stubbornly deny the evidence found on Mars.
The news of the discovery dominated the media and raised questions not only about the existence and purpose of humanity, but questions about the aliens themselves. Foremost, were they still out there? While these questions had served to fracture most religions they had a unifying effect in politics. Rather than nations fighting each other over their differences, it was now "us vs. them" and the foundations of a united human front were laid.
Within a year of the discovery, Earth's eighteen largest nations had drafted and ratified the Systems Alliance charter, establishing a representative political body to expand and defend human territory. Shortly thereafter, the various nations of Earth pooled their military resources to create the Systems Alliance Military. The same year, 2149, the Alliance discovered the Sol system's mass relay orbiting Pluto, previously thought to be a moon, Charon. The Charon Relay propelled them into space and the reach of humanity grew quickly.
Yep, sounds to me that most if not all of the mainstay religions you see nowadays are actually in the minority across the enitre population of humanity, not just 'Alliance military'.
People don't like it when their religious leaders don't have answers.
Why are people saying we have an immortality treatment? We have an eternal youth treatment. It just freezes your aging at the time you have it applied.
Why are people saying we have an immortality treatment? We have an eternal youth treatment. It just freezes your aging at the time you have it applied.
It needs to be expanded if it wants to deserve being called an immortality treatment it needs personality backups and a procedure to install that personality in a body or as an upload if your body gets damaged beyond recovery and we need to solve how our brain handles memory because I doubt it can handle centuries of memory. We got a few steps left before we have an immortality treatment IMO.
It needs to be expanded if it wants to deserve being called an immortality treatment it needs personality backups and a procedure to install that personality in a body or as an upload if your body gets damaged beyond recovery and we need to solve how our brain handles memory because I doubt it can handle centuries of memory. We got a few steps left before we have an immortality treatment IMO.
Well, forgetting old things to replace them with new things could work for the memory thing, especially if youthful neuroplasticity can be maintained. And our Advanced Neural Implant can function as both perfect long-term memory storage/recall (which it does without needing any further research) and a brain-backup device if we advance it a little further.
Yep, sounds to me that most if not all of the mainstay religions you see nowadays are actually in the minority across the enitre population of humanity, not just 'Alliance military'.
People don't like it when their religious leaders don't have answers.
Sure, but there is obviously room for interpretation of how things would go down. In any case, there is no point in starting this argument when we have canon confirmation that in the game timeline, religious institutions didn't handle aliens well.
Remember Vorcha aren't magic most adaptations will take up space and resources, and i don't think their cells can develop solutions to C-fractional plasma.
You're arguing from a position of logic and sober cost/benefit analysis, the right and proper way for people to make a decision. I'm saying that the majority of humanity, and frankly the majority of the other ME races, don't necessarily make decisions based on those criteria. To these people, Revy is stealing away humanity and the other races's rights to eventually die, as is the natural order, and go live with their sky daddy. I'm not saying there will be protests and official condemnation; I'm saying there will be radical militants out for Revy's head, and waves of suicide bombers, and a Council who won't want to get near Revy and Paragon Industries with a 10 light-year pole.
We know little of the other race's religions, but what little we know doesn't indicate that they'd have an issue with immortality.
More importantly on the humans side religion is at an all time low as Ashley reveals in ME1. In fact religious folks in general may be a minority. She actual asks if its "a problem" if she believes in god. So yeah... IIRC there are more details depending on what options you choose but this is the first video example I found (around 6:45 ish IIRC):
If religious folks actual got all radical about this they'd get themselves in even more trouble, might be the final death kneel for a major faith or two.
For all the things I don't like about the Catholic Church I must say they are quite practical and good at long term survival. Any chance you have a link to how they would handle aliens? Or is it just a vague "yes there might be aliens, but we'll address the details when they show up".
I don't think that's true. All the codex says is that the matron stage is when their biology encourages them to have kids. A later bit also notes that some Asari do things "out of order". In addition, some Asari like Benezia have kids in the matriarch stage after all, or did you mean that its only after the start of the matron stage were Asari can have kids, in which case were did you read/hear that?
On a side note the Asari generational cycle period is around 500 years (Asari biologically tend to stat having kids around 350 years old to ~700 years old). That means that only 100 generational cycles have passed since the Protheans. Human generational cycles are 20-30 years (yes it does very depending on health care, but I'm being lazy). So that means that a comparable period of time for humans is about 2000-3000 years ago. So from an Asari prospective the Protheans are to them what the Greeks/Romans are to us. Huh wonder if Bioware actually took that into account.
On a side note the Asari generational cycle period is around 500 years (Asari biologically tend to stat having kids around 350 years old to ~700 years old). That means that only 100 generational cycles have passed since the Protheans. Human generational cycles are 20-30 years (yes it does very depending on health care, but I'm being lazy). So that means that a comparable period of time for humans is about 2000-3000 years ago. So from an Asari prospective the Protheans are to then what the Greeks/Romans are to us. Huh wonder if Bioware actually took that into account.
Hard to say, really. I mean according to Javik, the Asari were the only 'primitive' race that the Protheans actively influenced (the rest they just messed around with at the genetic level to 'hurry' their evolution along or conquered them), to the point were there was a fan theory that the whole 'Asari can (potentially) mate with every living creature with a nervous system' was actually a by-product of the Protheans making a sex-slave race....
Yeah, the Protheans were ass-hats...if Javik is to be believed, but he's a trolling ass-hat.
For all the things I don't like about the Catholic Church I must say they are quite practical and good at long term survival. Any chance you have a link to how they would handle aliens? Or is it just a vague "yes there might be aliens, but we'll address the details when they show up".
the current pope said easiler this year that he would baptize and alien if they wished to be batptized and an astronamer funded by the catholic church has published a book titled "Intelligent Life in the Universe?: Catholic Belief and the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligent Life" and the book concluded that the existence of aliens is perfectly in line with catholic teachings.
As for reproducing Hari Seldon's Psychohistory, that's possible in principle, but would take research points taht could instead be spent on juicy, juicy super dreadnaughts
Honestly I doubt Psychohistory would be all that useful in the ME universe
when you take into account this fact. Hari Seldon's Psychohistory was designed
with human psychology in mind and not alien psychology.
(Psychohistory has one basic, underlying limitation which Asimov postulated for the first time on literally the last page of the final book in the Foundation series: psychohistory only functions in a galaxy populated only by humans. In Asimov's Foundation series, humans form the only sentient race that developed in the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Seldon developed psychohistory to predict the actions of large groups of humans. Even robots technically fall under the umbrella of psychohistory, because humans built them, and they thus represent more or less a human "action", or at least, possess a thought-framework similar enough to that of their human creators that psychohistory can predict their actions. However, psychohistory cannot predict the actions of a sentient alien race; their psychology may differ so much from that of humans that normal psychohistory cannot understand or predict their actions. ) Quoted from Wikipedia Psychohistory article.
I admit it has been years since I had read any of the foundation series
but I did distinctly remember this particular flaw in Psychohistory.
But take it as you will.
Psychohistory is also unable to account for the actions of the individual, only the group. someone Revy for example would cause massive deviation from the predictions made by Psychohistory.
on the subject of military ships: how shall we handle selling them to the other citadel races? Say, a 1 to 2 ratio between the alliance amd the entirety of the citadel species, with the citadel ones costing more? I would say one to one, but we need the tech to spread.
