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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

TheEyes said:
You're arguing from a position of logic and sober cost/benefit analysis, the right and proper way for people to make a decision. I'm saying that the majority of humanity, and frankly the majority of the other ME races, don't necessarily make decisions based on those criteria. To these people, Revy is stealing away humanity and the other races's rights to eventually die, as is the natural order, and go live with their sky daddy. I'm not saying there will be protests and official condemnation; I'm saying there will be radical militants out for Revy's head, and waves of suicide bombers, and a Council who won't want to get near Revy and Paragon Industries with a 10 light-year pole.
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To these people, Revy is stealing away humanity and the other races's rights to eventually die
One word: Euthanasia

Longer explanation: The Asari will be happy to finally have fixed part of the cause for the shortsightedness of the other races, the salarian have no known religion and have shown a clear rationalist tendency, the Krogan couldn´t care less, The Qurian and Drell sing our praises once we fix their medical and economical problems and the Turian/Elcos follow their leaders (who are the ones who will benefit most from a longer life)
And even in humanity the religious make a significant minority who already accept genemodding, invitro inspection etc. as natural.

Hell we simply avoid the word immortality, which is reasonable since we can´t know that for 100% without living through it, and market it as an increased lifespan which is something I don´t have noticed any protest occurring.
And it is not like we will make such a treatment mandatory in the whole galaxy, the nutjobs are always free to leave.
 
And Esbilon has hinted that we can use Adv. Xenobiology to apply it to other races as well... ^.^

Mordin researcher is best researcher... For all time!
 
I propose that we do not publicize that we have Peak Human researched until we have have researched Xenobiology. Why? It will not piss off the aliens that we are making Humans into superman if they become superman at the same time as well.

Yog said:
Revy is better. But, in general, yes, eternal youth applied to other races... Will be world-shattering and will change the galaxy forever.
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..and the Athame Matriarch Council will want us so fucking dead. We just killed their very very long game strategy for assimilating the Galaxy into the Asari republics via the strategy of outliving everyone.
 
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Durabys said:
I propose that we do not publicize that we have Peak Human researched until we have have researched Xenobiology. Why? It will not piss off the aliens that we are making Humans into superman if they become superman at the same time as well.


..and the Athame Matriarch Council will want us so fucking dead. We just killed their very very long game strategy for assimilating the Galaxy into thew Asari republics via the strategy of outliving everyone.
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This make it all the sweeter.
 
Durabys said:
I propose that we do not publicize that we have Peak Human researched until we have have researched Xenobiology. Why? It will not piss off the aliens that we are making Humans into superman if they become superman at the same time as well.
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You do remember that gene modding and enhancing was done in canon, openly, by all races?
 
Durabys said:
..and the Athame Matriarch Council will want us so fucking dead. We just killed their very very long game strategy for assimilating the Galaxy into thew Asari republics via the strategy of outliving everyone.
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Also the offspring of every race and asari are exclusively asari, interbreeding will lead to an exclusively asari population.
 
Yog said:
You do remember that gene modding and enhancing was done in canon, openly, by all races?
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Yes. But Peak Human is completely off-charts OP for the current state gene modding in the galaxy. The only way to prevent every major alien government to trying to kill us on the spot and destroy our research that will make Humanity invincible is to release Xenobiology at the fucking same time. Normally I would have argued to wait for Eternal Youth as well but this will be enough to not have everyone drop on us like a ton of bricks.
 
Durabys said:
Yes. But Peak Human is completely off-charts OP for the current state gene modding in the galaxy. The only way to prevent every major alien government to trying to kill us on the spot and destroy our research that will make Humanity invincible is to release Xenobiology at the fucking same time. Normally I would have argued to wait for Eternal Youth as well but this will be enough to not have everyone drop on us like a ton of bricks.
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The galaxy and the Citadel has survived the fact that the Asari are all powerful biotics, the fact that the Drell posses perfect recollection, the fact that Vorcha can survive nearly everything and last but not least it has also survived the Krogan(who are quite similar to Peak Humans, if not even more powerful considering their lack of pain etc.) and peacefully coexisted with them for many years. It will almost certainly survive and accept the fact that humans will get more healthy and live longer.

Edit: There is nothing in the game or canon that suggests that the Citadel races would react aggressive against technological advancements within the boundaries of the current law. The Citadel races are neither conquerors nor suppressors, have shown great acceptance of all kinds of races no matter their possible advantages and have also shown a great respect to letting the other races/governments do as they want.
 
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Chargone said:
Three words: Turian client races.
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Which usually just means another race joins the Turian Hierarchy, meaning the Turians effectively represent multiple races on the council. New race gets protection and something of a voice in Citadel politics, and the Turians get better equipment. It's not an oppressive system, it's just the general who attacked humanity being stupid.
 
There was a couple of arguments about releasing Eternal Youth to humanity.....truth is, in ME after the Photean archive Religion pretty much swan dived into a minority due to not coming up with a good explantion for alien life.

It's probably why Ashley was somewhat hesitant to mention that she's Christian in the first game.

So there probably be very little backlash against the whole thing, or at least compared to the amount of people who would be after it.
 
We should research personality back ups so that if people die to accidents or violence they can get resleeved, it should be helpful with indoctrination as well if some one gets indoctrinated we can just use the back up to help restore them into themselves again.
 
Erandil said:
The galaxy and the Citadel has survived the fact that the Asari are all powerful biotics, the fact that the Drell posses perfect recollection, the fact that Vorcha can survive nearly everything and last but not least it has also survived the Krogan(who are quite similar to Peak Humans, if not even more powerful considering their lack of pain etc.) and peacefully coexisted with them for many years. It will almost certainly survive and accept the fact that humans will get more healthy and live longer.

Edit: There is nothing in the game or canon that suggests that the Citadel races would react aggressive against technological advancements within the boundaries of the current law. The Citadel races are neither conquerors nor suppressors, have shown great acceptance of all kinds of races no matter their possible advantages and have also shown a great respect to letting the other races/governments do as they want.
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Come to think of it... Eternally young vorcha is the most (potentially) dangerous thing in the galaxy. Think about it. Rejuvenation would likely replenish vorcha's supply of non-specified cells, allowing for continuous, endless adaptations. A thousand years old vorcha is going to be pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut.
 
Yog said:
Come to think of it... Eternally young vorcha is the most (potentially) dangerous thing in the galaxy. Think about it. Rejuvenation would likely replenish vorcha's supply of non-specified cells, allowing for continuous, endless adaptations. A thousand years old vorcha is going to be pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut.
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And Extremis would still likely make it look like a... a... some very unthreatening thing.

Hmm. I feel like I should step away from the computer for a while.
 
Yog said:
Come to think of it... Eternally young vorcha is the most (potentially) dangerous thing in the galaxy. Think about it. Rejuvenation would likely replenish vorcha's supply of non-specified cells, allowing for continuous, endless adaptations. A thousand years old vorcha is going to be pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut.
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Here's the Codex about Vorcha.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vorcha

They have clusters of non-differentiated cells, similar to those found on the planarian worm of Earth. These cells allow the vorcha limited regenerative abilities, as well as the ability to adapt quickly to its environment, such as developing thicker skin after being burned or increased musculature to survive in high gravity. When a vorcha is injured or in distress, these cells move to the affected area and rapidly (~1 week) mature to specialized forms that will alleviate the issue.
A vorcha that is cut or burned will adapt to have thicker skin. The lungs of a vorcha placed in a barely-breathable atmosphere will adapt to better use the gases there. A vorcha subjected to high gravity will quickly develop stronger heart and leg muscles. Non-differentiated vorcha cell clusters do replenish themselves, but the process is slow.

So yeah, it's still possible to kill them, you just need to kill them within a 1 week period.

It also becomes a question of 'what adaption is best suited for it'....a Vorcha adapted to a cold, freezing world would have different vunerabilities than a vorcha that adapted to hot desert world.

It just becomes a question of gearing your soldiers to counter the likiest adaptions. But then again, there isn't much a combination of cryo ammo, incediary, armour penetrating and warp ammo can't accomplish, for everything else there's grenades/anti-tank rounds.
 
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Yog said:
Come to think of it... Eternally young vorcha is the most (potentially) dangerous thing in the galaxy. Think about it. Rejuvenation would likely replenish vorcha's supply of non-specified cells, allowing for continuous, endless adaptations. A thousand years old vorcha is going to be pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut.
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...an entire race of Crawlers. What could possibly go wrong?
 
The solution is that with Revy's Unlimited Computer Nano-Gene-Cyber Works she is going able to create a Brain-Brain Upload Bridge, clone herself such a Vorcha biomorph body (without any mind in it), upload herself into it and then go and smack that rampaging biotic idiot Vorcha upside down the head till it is mushy pulp.
 
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Tabron89 said:
Um, no. Vorcha can only adapt a few times, not infinite.

I will look for the Codex....
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Vorcha have a supply of unspecialized cells in their organism that alllow them to adapt to different conditions. Those cells, even if they replenish over time (we don't know), do so slowly enough that a single vorcha has a limit on how much it can adapt in its lifetime. Eternal youth treatment would likely replenish those cell supplies.
Esbilon said:
...an entire race of Crawlers. What could possibly go wrong?
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Interesting question: do vorcha brains also make use of their adaptation system?

EDIT: Also, what counts as a "peak" vorcha?
 
I think I have a solution to this!
Vorcha Gene-moddng Licensing Preparation - 800?
Requirements: Advanced Xeno Biology
TEXT: [Solves the issue that would be rampaging trans-inteligent biotic Vorcha Kaiju's for the rest of the galactic civilization - El Fin]
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