Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
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Eh, it's a stopgap. Quarians are tough on their life support systems. Per canon they usually house 800+ people on frigates rated for 80. That many people in a closed system would create serious heat dissipation problems.
When said frigates are designed for wartime operations? Not exactly, although they would need to run their ship's heatsinks at very high capacity. And quite possibly on the 'combat emergency heat dump' level that is showering the entire ship in sodium droplets to increase the effective surface area of the heatsinks, but that's unlikely.
Veery nice! No comtinuity errors, just Tali being Tali. The conversation felt a bit off, but writing aliens is hard. +50 research points to be allocsted at your pleasure.If they come in by 50 or less though you can use the omake to plug the gap and keep the plan going as intended
Yeah, deferring the benefit for my omake makes sense; it's not like even the news of this happening is going to trickle back to Revy for awhile. The Orbital Self-Insertion one, though, I think we should just put that into immediately picking up the 50-point single-use ODST shroud tech, first because it seems like an obvious thematic fit, and second because I have the sneaking suspicion we're going to need something like that at some point in the very near future. Remember what happened to Liara in her canon archeology dig? My cynicism detector is telling me that we're going to find ourselves involved in something similar, and our security teams don't yet have orbital bombardment support. Emphasis on "yet" I suppose; I mean, we are taking the first 2-3 PI-brand super-frigates for ourselves, right?
On the subject of the Mark II suit: is it bothering anyone else that, at the point we finish the Mark II, there's going to be essentially no difference between Revy's personal Iron Man suit and the ones we're mass-producing? That doesn't quite sit right to me from a thematic perspective; the simple fact that it's an Iron Man series suggests that the hobbyist one we're putting together in our private lab should be much more advanced than the ones we're selling to the military.
On the subject of the Mark II suit: is it bothering anyone else that, at the point we finish the Mark II, there's going to be essentially no difference between Revy's personal Iron Man suit and the ones we're mass-producing? That doesn't quite sit right to me from a thematic perspective; the simple fact that it's an Iron Man series suggests that the hobbyist one we're putting together in our private lab should be much more advanced than the ones we're selling to the military.
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Van Ropen
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Seems a bit gamey. I would think they wouldn't get used until the next quarter, but I guess that is Esbilon's call. Why are we even using dice then, if there is no risk involved with rolls?
@TheEyes - the last update mentioned that Revy's suit is upgraded compared to the Legionary, presumably with all the latest tech as it was made. Considering the Mk. II isn't going to be sold to anyone anytime soon, that isn't really a problem - by the time it is, our personal model will have advanced again.
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Who say, that we are going to sell MkII immediately?
We have a contract with HK for the Legionary, and our Factory II is not enough enough to make MkII and Tiger for SA, while filling the Citadel's demand for Arc Reactors.
Also Legionary is unmatched currently.
We can start mass produce the MkII after someone comes out with something comparable with the Legionary.
Partly Kasumi'd.
Personally I'm tempted to throw my omake points at the Frigates research, that or Gen II arc reactors (which I really think should be a pre-req for a lot more of our high-end tech). Mark II suits are interesting, but with the exception of upgrading our own security teams I don't see it being a huge priority in the near term. If we can defer point allocation until after we see next quarter's research rolls then I certainly will, but it does seem a little munchkiny to me as well.
While we're on the subject, does anyone have a link to our current action plan/frigate design? I know I've seen it somewhere in the thread, but search is failing me now.
On a slightly more whimsical note, I see we have ~18,000 in unused manufacturing capacity for this quarter, enough to make seven industrial-scale arc reactors. Anyone feel like contacting the Systems Alliance and telling them we can make nuclear power obsolete on Earth in the next 3 months? 
Other than it generally fitting the theme of the omake? Not much. Like I said, I need to review our current plan, but I lost it in the thread and haven't found it yet.
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Van Ropen
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http://forums.sufficientvelocity.co...-operations-me-mcu.6909/page-113#post-1781242
The last vote, locking in research which will take place over Q3. Now, I believe an omake bonus can actually go into any tech available for research, not just those - but sticking it in frigates just means a dice gets moved out. It's a little pointless...unless the <5% chance of failure is what is daunting.
That said, next turn we actually will have the money to start building real ISARs instead of the prototype versions. We should add a note to start talking to governments about switching to them.
The last vote, locking in research which will take place over Q3. Now, I believe an omake bonus can actually go into any tech available for research, not just those - but sticking it in frigates just means a dice gets moved out. It's a little pointless...unless the <5% chance of failure is what is daunting.
That said, next turn we actually will have the money to start building real ISARs instead of the prototype versions. We should add a note to start talking to governments about switching to them.
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...Oh, we already allocated an omake bonus to getting the ODST tech, and have a bunch allocated to frigates already. Yeah, I agree then, full steam ahead on the Mark II with the two bonuses, and our next 1-3 quarters should be spent on Perfect Blackboxing, in anticipation of some of the crazy Clarktech stuff we're going to be rolling out with soon (pure software/blue box AIs? Advanced Mass Effect tech? Crazy automated mining tech? Yeah, we definitely need to be hiding critical details for that stuff in the quantum foam or whatever).
Man, the Quarians are going to be drooling over these; three of them to power their liveships would seriously cut down on the Migrant Fleet's vulnerability to, well, everything. The thought would probably make Revy nervous, though, as it might embolden them to make a push for Ranoch, and, given the subject of some of her research I don't think she's as anti-Geth as most Quarians seem to be.
Van Ropen
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Problem is, we need Advanced Mass Effect Theory as soon as possible because it unlocks like half the tree and you cant put dice into projects until the previous ones are completed. Optical Computing and Advanced Neural Interface are also priorities since they give bonuses to the research dice rolls, and thus the sooner we get them the better. QECs are crucial because we need secure communication ASAP now that we are on two separate planets. CASIE is secondary, but important now that we are important enough to infiltrate.
That said, Flawless FRM is up there in the top tier. It was begun the first quarter, and I think finished on the third? Quick search didn't turn up the post where UberJJK had assigned the dice.
Er, QEC is already existing tech, though, so can't we just buy one for now? Sure it's military tech, but we're an official military contractor now, and even more when we start building the new MAKOs and frigates. I'll agree that Optical Computing and Advanced Neural Interface should come before Flawless FRM, as I didn't know they provided bonuses to research rolls (where did you learn that?). Oh, and I see we need Advanced Mass Effect Theory to get to Optical Computing (I guess so we can get the photons to travel FTL while inside the waveguides? That's pretty crazy actually). So I'm guessing future priorities are then:
1) Finish Mk 2 suit
2) Advanced Neural Interface
3) Advanced ME Theory
4) Optical Computing
5) CASIE Implant
6) Flawless Black Boxing
7) QE Comms (bump to 5 if we can't buy a product off of someone first)
8) Push to Blue Box/Software AIs (should also be a big boost to research)
1) Finish Mk 2 suit
2) Advanced Neural Interface
3) Advanced ME Theory
4) Optical Computing
5) CASIE Implant
6) Flawless Black Boxing
7) QE Comms (bump to 5 if we can't buy a product off of someone first)
8) Push to Blue Box/Software AIs (should also be a big boost to research)
We've been working on hashing out a 6 quarter plan that centers around having a kickass frigate ready by the end of it. You can see the two current version at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...bwKNL-wi75q1N9eLf_7QR95bo/edit#gid=2133366926
If you want to play around with changing the order and put up a third build, feel free. I don't think the research numbers are exactly correct, since the bonus from optical and neural interface either aren't calculated in, or are calculated in the order they're shown in Van Ropen's plan (so not correct for UberJJK's side).
send me a PM with your email if you want to edit the doc.
*edit* Kasumi'd tho at least I have the link.
@Alanek, if you just go to docs.google.com it will remember every google doc you've ever visited on that account.
Van Ropen
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QEC is bleeding edge tech in a decade, definitely doesn't exist now. As for the bonuses - lots of shit comes up with how quickly this thread moves, lol.
The only problem with AI is that we need Council permission first. I believe the plan for that was immediate implementation of Peak Human to buy us political goodwill across the Alliance. We follow this up with our frigate to secure our status as Best Researcher.
Afterwards, go for Advanced Xenobiology, which will firmly bring the Citadel Races into our camp. Humans might be annoyed, but Eternal Youth should mollify them.
Problem is, this is all a 1.5-2 year plan. Maybe a bit shorter given bonuses aren't included, but still.
The only problem with AI is that we need Council permission first. I believe the plan for that was immediate implementation of Peak Human to buy us political goodwill across the Alliance. We follow this up with our frigate to secure our status as Best Researcher.
Afterwards, go for Advanced Xenobiology, which will firmly bring the Citadel Races into our camp. Humans might be annoyed, but Eternal Youth should mollify them.
Problem is, this is all a 1.5-2 year plan. Maybe a bit shorter given bonuses aren't included, but still.
Ah. Okay, well you're right that AI stuff is going to be a tough one politically, but eternal youth isn't going to help matters. In fact, a galaxy-wide program of genetic engineering is likely to start a hundred-sided holy war: for all that we forumites are variously transhumanist, try to keep in mind that not everyone--not even the majority--thinks that it's in any species's nature to live forever, and would in fact deem it to be a blasphemy before their god(s). No, if we're looking for goodwill among the Alliance and Council races we'd be far better off beefing up our manufacturing capacity and offering at cost or low-margin ISARs to all comers, or even open-sourcing the blueprints: infinite cheap, clean, reliable energy, and besides the entrenched energy producers' interests it doesn't step on anybody's toes.