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SayakaQuest Thread 10: Glory To The Death

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Gadjo said:
Well, really my biggest complaint is that the plan seems likely to end with Akane reduced to a fine red paste.
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That's easy enough to deal with. Either timestop out at the last second, or punch a hole into the ground above us just before it lands (Akane can finish punching her way out after that).
defenestrator said:
And again, how is Akane exactly going to slow down the city's decent? Her strength's worthless since she'd need to push or pull against something, so she'd either need a really strong flight ability or a floating platform that has enough lift to counteract the city's weight.
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That's the point of Sayaka's platforms: leverage for Akane to push against. The platforms are magic. They exist in a fixed point in space when created; they don't have to have 'lift'.


In any case, Gadjo's version does seem more viable. Assuming the overall mass really does disintegrate, anyway. Though if it does, that puts questions on how the building will hold up, though we can probably jury-rig something if that happens.

[x] Gadjo
 
Expanding on my previous calculation, the terminal velocity of a person is about 59 m/s. So, a person skydiving from 18000 meters would take about 5 minutes to hit the ground, which means a person freefalling from this height would actually be safer than a person falling inside this concrete deathtrap.

Really, I think our best option is to grab the grief seed, and then use time-stop and Akane to smash the fucking thing into as many pieces as possible. The fragments of the city will start to fall faster than the civilians after a few seconds, allowing us to pick them out from the mess. The plan is to maximize terminal velocity to buy time.
 
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Kinematics said:
That's easy enough to deal with. Either timestop out at the last second, or punch a hole into the ground above us just before it lands (Akane can finish punching her way out after that).
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But for her to push and slow the city at all, she's going to need to take it's weight, and I was saying that she just couldn't. It's wishful thinking. she isn't superguca.
 
...If the platforms can support the weight of Akane holding Walpurgiscorpse, couldn't we just put the platforms under Walpurgiscorpse and use them to hold it instead of Akane?
 
This vote gives up on pretty much everyone in the city. As Jacker pointed out a while back (kudos on the unfortunately accurate prediction) we'd save hundreds out of hundreds of thousands at best given that the entire population and the shelters got sucked up as well, and there's no way to spin that as a success. Not to Sayaka herself and least of all to Madoka.

But hey, I'm sure Sayaka'd be just fine and peachy with having thrown away the lives of everyone she ever met or talked to out of convenience, and that Madoka could ignore the chance to fix things. What could possibly go wrong there?

If we don't even try for an option that saves more than a token handful, we'd deserve the "Everyone's dead, Dave"/Bad End that comes from it.
 
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Ugolino said:
This vote gives up on pretty much everyone in the city. As Jacker pointed out, we'd save hundreds out of hundreds of thousands at best given that the entire population and the shelters got sucked up as well, and there's no way to spin that as a success. Not to Sayaka herself and least of all to Madoka.

If we don't even try for an option that saves more than a token handful, we'd deserve the "Everyone's dead, Dave"/Bad End that comes from it.
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Sorry, I'm not going to vote for something that's going to get everyone killed. The Gadjo vote is reasonable and attempts to save everyone we can feasibly save.

It's not doing something fucking insane and well beyond are abilities and our resources.


Ugo, you are just flat out wrong this time.
 
[x] Gadjo

Ugo, this is not a case we're we can play the hero and save everyone.

We try that, we die. And is a plot end. No restarts. Game over. Finite. Caput.

What of this whole deal you're not understanding? Madoka will contract because we couldn't save everyone? We saved those who were in the shelter. Not every single citizen of Mita is here, godammit.

Save what we can, mourn the rest after we fucking got out of this shit yeah?
 
Ugolino said:
This vote gives up on pretty much everyone in the city. As Jacker pointed out, we'd save hundreds out of hundreds of thousands at best given that the entire population and the shelters got sucked up as well, and there's no way to spin that as a success. Not to Sayaka herself and least of all to Madoka.

But hey, I'm sure Sayaka'd be just fine and peachy with having thrown away the lives of everyone she ever met or talked to out of convenience. What could possibly go wrong there?

If we don't even try for an option that saves more than a token handful, we'd deserve the "Everyone's dead, Dave"/Bad End that comes from it.
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Ugo, it's not like Sayaka can't understand that Akane, her little platforms, and some of Kyoko's chains (which we see break constantly) won't be able to stop a city. We aren't saying "fuck those guys, not worth it" We're saying "stopping the entire city is a foolish endeavor that will just mean we don't even save a few civvies, and we lose a teammate too". It'd be like if I tried to stop a speeding semi on the highway with my face. It's not brave, it's stupid.
 
The Gadjo vote has us trying to save less than a fraction of a percentage of the people. We'd better hope that Madoka isn't somehow anywhere in earshot or sight of Mitakihara because if she is that's a contract opportunity if there ever was one- and never mind the effect on Sayaka herself.

It's paying lip service to the idea of saving the civilians, and guilt-wise, it really is going to be like trying to fix a decapitation with a band-aid. We need an alternative and between throwing in the towel and trying a vote based on wishful thinking, I'd rather try my luck with wishful thinking. Platforms don't work on physics, Akane's defining trait is strength, maybe their combined magical bullshit can do something if we do enough to make it workable (reduce the city size, use speed to gather people from the outskirts, anything but just give up and save an office building or two to make Sayaka feel better)

And saving the people in the shelters? It really DOESN'T when we're just saving a token handful. That's the entire population of Mitakihara, and I doubt they're fitting in one skyscraper.
 
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Ugolino said:
The Gadjo vote has us trying to save less than a fraction of a percentage of the people. That vote had better pray that Madoka isn't somehow anywhere in earshot or sight of Mitakihara because if she is that's a contract opportunity if there ever was one
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Right. Their parents cannot call her out or prevent that because they're not out of the city and they don't know about the masquerade. Nice try.
 
Hyp3rB14d3 said:
...If the platforms can support the weight of Akane holding Walpurgiscorpse, couldn't we just put the platforms under Walpurgiscorpse and use them to hold it instead of Akane?
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If it were pure physics, yes. However Akane's strength isn't pure physics; it's magic. So the overall sums don't have to add up.

On the population issue: Do we have confirmation on what portion of the city population got pulled up here (and how many shelters)? As large as Walpurgis is, it's still a fraction of the size of an entire actual city. I'll try looking back through the updates to see if I can find anything specific.
 
EtchedSteel said:
Right. Their parents cannot call her out or prevent that because they're not out of the city and they don't know about the masquerade. Nice try.
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Canon events re: shelter, ES- Madoka makes her excuses and runs away, having made up her mind even when "called out", and let's not forget Kyubey showing up out of the blue the way he tends to to keep her informed. This is bunnycat's last hurrah and he'll be pulling out the stops to get his contract. "Sayaka killed the Witch but can't save everyone you ever knew in Mitakihara" sounds like a contract reason if I ever heard one.

Kinematics said:
If it were pure physics, yes. However Akane's strength isn't pure physics; it's magic. So the overall sums don't have to add up.

On the population issue: Do we have confirmation on what portion of the city population got pulled up here (and how many shelters)? As large as Walpurgis is, it's still a fraction of the size of an entire actual city. I'll try looking back through the updates to see if I can find anything specific.
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We know that the shelters were pulled up per word of Moid. No real specifics.

How far away from Mitakihara is Yoko?
 
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Ugolino said:
The Gadjo vote has us trying to save less than a fraction of a percentage of the people. We'd better hope that Madoka isn't somehow anywhere in earshot or sight of Mitakihara because if she is that's a contract opportunity if there ever was one- and never mind the effect on Sayaka herself.

It's paying lip service to the idea of saving the civilians, and guilt-wise, it really is going to be like trying to fix a decapitation with a band-aid. We need an alternative and between throwing in the towel and trying a vote based on wishful thinking, I'd rather try my luck with wishful thinking. Platforms don't work on physics, Akane's defining trait is strength, maybe their combined magical bullshit can do something if we do enough to make it workable (reduce the city size, use speed to gather people from the outskirts, anything but just give up and save an office building or two to make Sayaka feel better)

And saving the people in the shelters? It really DOESN'T when we're just saving a token handful. That's the entire population of Mitakihara, and I doubt they're fitting in one skyscraper.
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Ugo, I'd love to save the entire city. I really would. But do you have a plan that doesn't rely upon Kyoko's fragile chains (They get shattered constantly), our untested platforms (I think we've only ever put a few people on them, not a city), and Akane's face (keep in mind she's been gravely wounded by bullets and swords. This isn't a question of strength it's a question of durability. Her bones can't withstand that kind of impact. She'll be squished)?
 
The tokyo girl's speed to gather people from outskirts, saving the central mass and losing the now unpopulated outer sections, and using the platforms and Akane. Heal her bones as it goes?
 
I will say this:

If too large of a proportion of civilians die, that can be used to drive Madoka to contact. (keep in mind, she was still perfectly willing to contract to save people even after learning about the lichbomb AND witchbomb in canon)
 
Ugolino said:
The tokyo girl's speed to gather people from outskirts, saving the central mass and losing the now unpopulated outer sections, and using the platforms and Akane. Heal her bones as it goes?
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That's essentially what I've already voted for. I suppose I could change it to a small tract of land? I don't give a shit if they're comfy, I just want them all in the same, small spot.

What does everyone else think of that?

And yeah, don't support a vote you don't entirely agree with in this situation. Winning the vote is less important than making a good decision.

Edit: wait, heal her bones? I'm not saying she'll break down slowly, I'm saying when the weight of the city comes down upon her she's going to be squished. Wouldn't help.
 
The tokyo girl's speed to gather people from outskirts
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Prolonged use of this increases corruption significantly. Hell Ran may not have any seeds left. Also, only two hands. Ran can't do this with any real efficiency.

saving the central mass and losing the now unpopulated outer sections
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Relies on Ran, who can't realistically do that.

and using the platforms and Akane.
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And I'm saying that even with the platforms, Akane can't hold a fucking city. You can't even call this move a gamble. It's a death sentence.
 
Gadjo said:
That's essentially what I've already voted for. I suppose I could change it to a small tract of land? I don't give a shit if they're comfy, I just want them all in the same, small spot.

What does everyone else think of that?

And yeah, don't support a vote you don't entirely agree with in this situation. Winning the vote is less important than making a good decision.

Edit: wait, heal her bones? I'm not saying she'll break down slowly, I'm saying when the weight of the city comes down upon her she's going to be squished. Wouldn't help.
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As long as we're just losing unpopulated sections, I don't have an objection.
 
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