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SayakaQuest Thread 10: Glory To The Death

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[x] Civilians first.

Let's not get distracted by the shiny.

Also, can I suggest an amendment on the plan? Right now, anything effort Akana, Kyouko and Sayako does is still moot, since our chunk of the city's still attached to the whole thing. Optionally, they could help the Tokyo girls in grabbing as many civillians as they can.

Afterwards, Akane, Ako, and Kagura could being tearing off our plot of land from the city. Once it's separate, then that's when we can start slowing the damn thing down.

If we've confirmed that the black thing is indeed the giant seed and not something hostile, Homura could grab Ran, enter timestop, hop-bounce on the falling debris, and then grab the thing.
 
Hrmm, you know who could use that Bigass Grief Seed, if that indeed IS the Grief seed?

Homura.

She could perhaps use that Grief seed to cleanse as needed while timestopping and grabbing Civilians.

That's assuming that it's even the Grief Seed, Homura agree's to it and that's even possible in the first place, but it's a (Probably Horrible) idea.
 
If someone makes the use grief seed plan workable, then go for it. If not, we're sticking to save as much civvies as we can.
 
Ohhhh that's not fair... Security or our peace of mind? The city's gonna crush the grief seed if we don't save it.

And it seems to be big enough that we'd need Akane to move it.
 
Yeah. Maybe overreacting. So: our general plan then would be to have them timestop it to safety, timestop as many civvies as we can to safety, without needing to be too stingy, since we have the Walpurgisseed. Perhaps we "get it to safety" by simply ensuring that any debris that would fall on it gets destroyed by Akane? Or do you have a better idea for a safe zone?

Do we suppose we can fit it in Homura's shield?
 
Gadjo said:
Yeah. Maybe overreacting. So: our general plan then would be to have them timestop it to safety, timestop as many civvies as we can to safety, without needing to be too stingy, since we have the Walpurgisseed. Perhaps we "get it to safety" by simply ensuring that any debris that would fall on it gets destroyed by Akane? Or do you have a better idea for a safe zone?

Do we suppose we can fit it in Homura's shield?
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Grief seeds are extremely durable. It would take a precision shot from Akane to even have a chance of damaging it. But if we must, have Koko use a bead net over it.

That said, with Walpy's seed, a Homu/Ran rescue combo sounds a good deal more viable.
 
Muramasa said:
Grief seeds are extremely durable. It would take a precision shot from Akane to even have a chance of damaging it. But if we must, have Koko use a bead net over it.

That said, with Walpy's seed, a Homu/Ran rescue combo sounds a good deal more viable.
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Hm... I feel like they should be durable, but what have we seen that suggests they're any more durable than a soul gem? I'd hate to lose it because we all just assumed it'd be fine. Either way, yeah. Homu/Ran rescue time.
 
Gadjo said:
Hm... I feel like they should be durable, but what have we seen that suggests they're any more durable than a soul gem? I'd hate to lose it because we all just assumed it'd be fine. Either way, yeah. Homu/Ran rescue time.
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I recall Moid saying they're very durable. Much more so than Soul Gems.

What evidence the anime shows is that they can be tossed or kicked around with no worries. The only example of a destroyed grief seed we have is when Akane accidentally deleted a handful of them while obliterating a T6 girl.

As for a grief seed the size of a small building... Well that's going to require something substantially heavier and precise. It would have to land on the seed 'just right'.

But yeah, probably better to have Akane protect and help prepare the rescue zone which is going to have to have the small building sized grief seed along with it.
 
I feel like we're all missing the point here. Or a little bit of it, at least.

We're all trying to stop the people from hitting the ground. Grabbing a plot of land, shoving people inside it, and slowing it down is a good way to do that. But what sort of crater is the rest of the city going to make?

It's a city at terminal velocity. It will leave a crater. And storms, no matter how city-destroying, don't leave craters.

There will be implications. I don't think the aftereffects will magically go away. Not in a PMMM quest.

We might not be able to do anything about the wider effects, but we can't ignore them.
 
MechaGoomba said:
I feel like we're all missing the point here. Or a little bit of it, at least.

We're all trying to stop the people from hitting the ground. Grabbing a plot of land, shoving people inside it, and slowing it down is a good way to do that. But what sort of crater is the rest of the city going to make?

It's a city at terminal velocity. It will leave a crater. And storms, no matter how city-destroying, don't leave craters.

There will be implications. I don't think the aftereffects will magically go away. Not in a PMMM quest.

We might not be able to do anything about the wider effects, but we can't ignore them.
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I don't know what you want to do about them. The city is not just falling, but it's falling in pieces now. We aren't stopping it. So far as potential wounds? We'd prefer to land after the city, seeing as how we'll be trying not to hit the ground with it, and I don't know what more you expect us to do.
 
Yes. There is not much we can do now.
But I'd prefer if we started looking for anything we could.
The current plan is good. It might be the best we can do.
Resigning ourselves to it is a terrible idea.
We have a building-sized grief seed available to us. That's pretty close to infinite magic.
How many timestops could Homura do with that? How many people could we save?
We don't know what the best we can do is. We are constantly receiving new information.
If we aren't constantly revising our plan, we are wasting that information.
I don't advocate trying to save everyone in a stupid, unworkable manner.
But we can't say any plans to save more than a building's worth of people are unworkable when we haven't even seen any of those plans.
The plan we have now may be the best we can do. It may not be.
We should be discussing alternate plans so that we know whether it is or isn't.
We have, to some degree, the luxury of time. Let's not waste it.
 
Keep in mind two things:
1st, we want to spend our attention on minimizing the most important kind of damage, loss of human life. Save as many as we can and refine our plans for that as much as we reasonably can.
2nd, this is just a quest. There is this thing called "real life" going on. Many of us can't afford to spend a ton of time discussing this due to, well, real life. It is not unreasonable that many people can't afford to discuss much past getting a good plan for the most important immediate priority (in this case, saving as many civilians as we can)

EDIT: If this was a real issue we were trying to solve, you bet your ass many of us would be discussing way past plan B for not only primary but secondary objectives. But it isn't real, so we will save that level of time investment among actual real issues we (individually) have.
 
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MechaGoomba said:
Yes. There is not much we can do now.
But I'd prefer if we started looking for anything we could.
The current plan is good. It might be the best we can do.
Resigning ourselves to it is a terrible idea.
We have a building-sized grief seed available to us. That's pretty close to infinite magic.
How many timestops could Homura do with that? How many people could we save?
We don't know what the best we can do is. We are constantly receiving new information.
If we aren't constantly revising our plan, we are wasting that information.
I don't advocate trying to save everyone in a stupid, unworkable manner.
But we can't say any plans to save more than a building's worth of people are unworkable when we haven't even seen any of those plans.
The plan we have now may be the best we can do. It may not be.
We should be discussing alternate plans so that we know whether it is or isn't.
We have, to some degree, the luxury of time. Let's not waste it.
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Um. Okay then. I don't think we're going to prevent even half of the debris from hitting the ground, even with timestop it'll be a problem, to say the least. We kind of don't have a lot of powers, even with the superseed, to prevent it from hitting the ground with. Go ahead and voice a plan if you've got one, I'm dry.

Also, try not to put a new line after every sentence? It makes your posts painful to read.
 
With Homura's timestop, magic is time. The superseed is a giant magic battery. Our two main limiting factors are time and magic.

Here's a sample plan: Get the superseed. Place a platform under the superseed, or hold it up with chains, or do whatever. If we can hold up a building, we can hold the superseed. The superseed cannot fall, so we can use it to eliminate grief concerns. Cleanse everyone that held up the superseed first so they can hold up the building when necessary. Homura timestops, searches for civilians, and runs back to the superseed to cleanse when necessary.
 
Plan C: Use the superseed to get Yoko here. This probably isn't viable, but throwing it out there.

It definitely is the superseed and we should definitely use it- "finale" is pretty final for what happened to Walpurgisnacht, along with the city collapsing.

Other plan:

[]Timestop. Get Homura to that seed through boosts, then boost Homura, the seed, and ourselves back up to the city.
[]Start gathering people. Homura and Ran go together, staying in timestop.
 
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Ugolino said:
Plan C: Use the superseed to get Yoko here. This probably isn't viable, but throwing it out there.

It definitely is the superseed and we should definitely use it- "finale" is pretty final for what happened to Walpurgisnacht, along with the city collapsing.

Other plan:

[]Timestop. Get Homura to that seed through boosts, then boost Homura, the seed, and ourselves back up to the city.
[]Start gathering people. Homura and Ran go together, staying in timestop.
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The seed is way too big for Sayaka and Homura to handle alone, we would need, at least, Akane's superstrenght to move the seed, and we may also needed to use Kyouko's chains to get a holding.
 
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Uhhh... seems to me that was the witch. I don't think just messing with it would have allowed us to lower the city in a controlled fashion.
 
I think we need to take care of that Grief Seed before it hits the ground...
 
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