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I don't think we should pick someone called the "Butcher King" as our friend and ally, especially considering he held power over many hollows and would be superior to us due to artificial arrancarisation.

I agree we should make friends, but doing so from the ranks of artificial arrancars is probably not going to work out too well. We should instead search through the ranks of the natural arrancars. Esmerelda is a good place to start.


Barragan would be noticed long before we came into view.

We can assume that we managed to get far away from him.

Hmm.

Say that he's looking for his lost crown and told the survivors that if they couldn't find it in 9 days, he'd force us to watch as he destroyed more Hollow conclaves.

Something of that nature. I'm sick so I know I'm not as sharp as normal, but I think there's something to be found in this idea.
 
No that's where the fun comes in we turn them into an arrancar like we were no one else must know of them to make sure barragan doesn't kill us
You need to explain to me in detail why any of what you just said makes sense. Start with motivations and work your way up.

We can assume that we managed to get far away from him.

Hmm.

Say that he's looking for his lost crown and told the survivors that if they couldn't find it in 9 days, he'd force us to watch as he destroyed more Hollow conclaves.

Something of that nature. I'm sick so I know I'm not as sharp as normal, but I think there's something to be found in this idea.
Any plan like this is too complex and has many variables and obstacles we need to overcome. Many of the obstacles in our current plan have already been passed, and the lost progress would result in decreased overall chance of success. Your plan involves alerting everyone to our presence, so if any part of it fails, we have everyone hostile to us. It relies on Nemo's bluff skill instead of her sneak skill. We've already knocked out a hollow who will be waking up soon and will identify us.
 
The whole barragan idea is to complicated to work when we can just straight up beat everyone down as others have lead me to believe, just disable the king first then knock out everyone else and have a nice friendly chat with then king about why you shouldn't have have things that don't belong to you and see if we can't convince them to allies with us.

Once again I ask do we have charisma?
 
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I honestly doubt we do...

Frankly I have no idea how we've been communicating with others up to this point.

Really eloquent body language is my guess.
 
You need to explain to me in detail why any of what you just said makes sense. Start with motivations and work your way up.
The way I see it Nemo should know how to create an arrancar the old way this also stops them from gaining more power then us as for why I like to think Nemo is trying to replace mantis friend and stiking it to barragan in a subtle way also since wandering arrancars are a thing it wouldn't look to suspicious for another one to show up, we obviously could never bring them to were barragan is as he would very likely murder us for this, but there is a use for this hollow that is oblivious very charismatic to bring an army like this together we could use then to start making our own powerbase away from all the crazy and really powerful espada. They would kinda be like our own Fraccion or maybe an equal in a mutually beneficial agreement. Why the hollow would agree to this is so we don't kill them and we can keep them noted on barragan's activities we know of so they are not killed by him for having his crown.
 
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I mean, I guess. I don't find the counter-arguments particularly compelling, but I'm not too invested in it regardless.
 
Mostly I'm down for however this goes I just want for the possible ways we could play this to be know and it would be nice to have a small army at our command if we could convince the king to serve us if not well they will make good battle experience at least.
 
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Nemo is trying to replace mantis friend
We should speak to Esmerelda and make friends with her like a normal person then. Creating arrancars for the purpose of making friends is naive, like a rich kid who assumes that his friends actually like him just because he gives them money. Even worse is that your plan involves also making them our tools, our pawns, our subordinates.

A power base is pointless. For arrancars, the only scenario where numbers help is if two creatures of similar strength are attacking another creature of similar strength. If we want to fight other Numeros, getting more Numeros on our side is a good idea, but there's no reason for us to fight other Numeros. If we want to fight an Espada, only Espadas of similar power to them will help in the slightest. Espadas don't keep Fracciones to help them defeat other Espadas. The power difference is just too great for them to be of any use. For the Segunda in particular, even multiple Espadas would be worthless.

Finally, you believe our motivation should be to kill Barragan. I believe that is foolish. He is the Segunda, and we are just a natural arrancar born from an unremarkable Adjuchas. We will never be as powerful as he. The best we can hope to do is seriously annoy him, which is what "stinging bite" referred to.
 
No not kill him more like get one over on him and the powerbase is more like a fall back point for when everything goes to hell during the war so we have a place to go when the captains show up so that when the dust settles we will at least have some footing to stand with then an attempt to fight other arrancars with personal soldiers.

Also maybe just forget about turning them into a arrancar now that I thought it out a bit more we don't want them to even be able to match us so we can keep them in line easily enough.

On another note I am really liking that we are able to have a civil conversation about this it's one thing I like about this website.
 
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Both Barragan and this mystery Menos style themselves as kings.

But Barragan would divide his minions into two camps and have them fight to the death simply for his amusement or pointlessly hunt down a pair of harmless "poachers" just wishing to survive in order to put on a fancy show trial and a spitefully messy execution.

The Butcher King on the other hand build something tangible and constructive out in the empty wastes, goes out of its way to accommodate weaklings that couldn't survive otherwise, and seem to have at least allowed some measure of individuality, creativity, and thoughtfulness. It's a cannibalistic monster for sure and it's true intentions are doubtfully altruistic. But it's still so much better than Barragan as far as we know.

That's why I want to see it preserved. That's why I want to give it the legitimacy of becoming a artificial arrancar under Aizen. Even if we don't get anything out of this at least Barragan isn't going to be able to squish it out of hand in some "purge the rebels" nonsense. Sure he can still find an excuse to execute a legitimate soldier in his lord's army but Bony is going to have to work a little for it.

Even if Nemo manages this it won't amount to much. But she's just a bug next to the #2 Espada anyways. A barely felt sting is all she can hope for.
 
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Even if we don't get anything out of this at least Barragan isn't going to be able to squish it out of hand in some "purge the rebels" nonsense. Sure he can still find an excuse to execute a legitimate soldier in his lord's army but Bony is going to have to work a little for it.

Doesn't need to. Yammy killed an arrancar just to test out his healed arm. Aizen isn't going to care if Barragan decides to execute him. Nobody will.

And where is all this altruism coming from? If people wanted to spare the Butcher King, they should have voted to enter his domain as an envoy, not as a thief. That is not the diplomatic option. We're here to do a job and hope Mr Bones doesn't decide to age us a thousand years for being late.

Nemo has shown no indication that she would be appreciative of what the Butcher King is doing. She isn't the type to value legacy or culture. She's a scavenger, an ambush predator. As an Adjuchas she cared about surviving. As an Arrancar, she still cares about surviving, but now she also wants to kill Barragan (or at least see him toppled) and get some more friends.

She doesn't have any lofty ambition. She doesn't need a powerbase or be crowned as a ruler. That's not her style.

What I want is to become a part of Barragan's retinue (maybe not his Fraccion, but close all the same). Work our way up into his confidence, be a professional, competent and valued member. And then backstab him at an opportune moment. Or manipulate things so war breaks out between the Espada and have them do our dirty work. Or just join Ulquiorra's (non-existent) Fraccion and see what happens.

It would be nice to play the vassal and not the ruler for a change.
 
Oh god damn it. Do we really have to pick a cause this early? Or at all? Let's just make some friends, experience the world a bit, and get more powerful before we find a ourselves a hill to die on. Some random Menos with its own pet settlement is certainly not worth our time or attention.
 
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She doesn't have any lofty ambition.
Sure she does. I mean, yeah, at the moment her lofty ambitions are just 'do what other people to tell you to do', but they're still something.

A lot of the Arrancar in Bleach seem to suffer from this... not a lack of ambition, exactly, but a lack of anything to do. This leads them to a kind of ennui, and from there stagnation- because when you've achieved the kind of power that can't be matched by many in Hueco Mundo, and you're no longer ruled by a constant all-consuming hunger that needs to be sated lest you fall back into a mindless state, what is there to do? Not much, really. Kill some minor Hollows, maybe some bickering with other Arrancar. And then... more killing. More bickering. Maybe pick a fight with another Arrancar, kill them, and no longer have someone to bicker with. Kill some more Hollows. Etc, etc. Grow more powerful, but for what reason? To do what? So you can kill other Hollows easier?

Avoiding that kind of ennui is a lofty ambition in itself, even if not actively considered as such by Nemo. It also requires that Nemo constantly be doing stuff, and it's unlikely that Barragan will always provide tasks like this to keep her occupied.

Does that mean that you have to pick the Butcher King as the place to make that kind of stand? Nah, probably not. Sure, it's interesting, but it's also not likely to last- they're already having trouble finding Hollows to kill, and eventually internal strife will tear it apart, if the Butcher King isn't killed first (signs of such are already showing). And it's not like two low-ranking natural-born Arrancar will be able to form any major societal shift in the Arrancar. He's a novelty; something interesting, but also something essentially useless right now.

Pick and prod at it, sure, Nemo might keep it in the back of her head, sure, keep the Butcher King as a character for Nemo to bounce off of, sure. If I don't have to leave tonight and the Butcher King doesn't get killed next update, I might write an omake about it, see what it can lead to. But make it a major thing this early in the quest, with nothing in characterization to bounce from and no real idea for where to take it? Probably not the greatest idea, more likely to lead to Nemo being eaten than anything.
 
Relax. There's no voting for an cause just yet. Like no one's actually submitted an proposal or anything.

Currently the choice is to simply whether Nemo goes into the Butcher King's chamber as Agent 47, Lunch, or Batman.

The rest of the stuff is just passing the time waiting for the next update. Something to do.
 
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Avoiding that kind of ennui is a lofty ambition in itself, even if not actively considered as such by Nemo. It also requires that Nemo constantly be doing stuff, and it's unlikely that Barragan will always provide tasks like this to keep her occupied.

I don't really consider the need for a hobby a lofty ambition :V

Otherwise, yeah. Nemo's ambition is to find an ambition. I just don't want it to be something grand or awe-inspiring. I would much prefer it to be something smaller, more personal. Even something as simple as having a 100 friends.
 
[X] Hide yourself in the vat containing the King's meal.
 
@Omicron, what's your policy on omakes? Do they need to be canon to earn XP? Do non-canon ones earn less XP? Does an omake need to be of a certain length to be canon/earn XP? Does a canon omake of sufficiently greater length earn more XP than one of lesser length?
 
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[X]The walls of the caverns are roughly carved and you should be able to climb them. Follow the King's meal to him by sneaking above. Just hope no one looks up…
 
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