Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)

What should I do regarding a change in system?

  • Notgreat's proposed simplification of hunting, leave rest intact.

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Chapter system vastly simplifying everything.

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
We need to publish our pair of manuals this month. From the update it seems they are ready.

@inverted_helix, can we use the .5 Hainako that we have lost to game balance to translate the manuals?
 
OK. Based on the numbers we had, I was guessing we were running at about 80% capacity (eg: 20 in the 25 capacity house). A bit more sensible when considering that only about half are actually living there, but we still probably want to keep it at about that level.

So for 56 girls (well, 55; Mami has her own place), we want a total capacity of about 70. At 25 per house, that's just about 3 houses.

Do we want to commit to that transition? That would increase expenses from $9500 to $12,000, or +$2500 per month. We can afford it, but we'll have a fairly low net income per month.

Not this turn. Maybe not even next turn. I'm just saying that instead of improving the quality of apartments, we should buy a house. We'll be at that point in a couple turns though.

We need to publish our pair of manuals this month. From the update it seems they are ready.

@inverted_helix, can we use the .5 Hainako that we have lost to game balance to translate the manuals?

Quit working the ref! :V

More seriously, I think the pamphlets are ready as is to be distributed to Area 10.
 
Another note on the housing. Looks like we could do it one of three ways, and have it reasonable and stay at about 80% capacity.

Assuming Kyouko is staying at Mami's place, we need to account for 54 girls, plus maybe a couple buffer. That means 70 total capacity for right now. Also, it looks like 8 of our total capacity comes from Mami's apartment, which was messing up my numbers a bit, earlier.

1) Keep focusing on apartments. 1 house (25) and 45 total apartment capacity (where we currently have 43). Adequate for the moment. $9500 per month; possibly add a couple hundred to shift some apartments around.

2) Get one additional house, and drop apartments to 20 capacity. Total cost should be about $10,500 per turn, for an extra $1000 per month.

3) Get two additional houses, putting us a bit ahead on capacity (75 instead of 70), and dropping all apartments. Total cost would be $12,000 per turn, for $2500 over present, and $1500 over the 2-house option.


Option 2 seems the most reasonable, in terms of balancing income. It doesn't need to be done this turn, but there's nothing really preventing it either. Option 3 seems a bit too expensive to go for at the moment.

Also, while there's no immediate pressure, I'm wondering if moving them into a full house might not be good for the mental health and morale of Seto's girls, so something we'd want to do sooner rather than later.
 
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Upkeep: 19.5 Veteran, 7 Green, 1 Associate
  • 2.5 vet + 0.5 green demon finding training (+20% grief cubes)
  • 2.5 vet + 0.5 green on pack tactics (-4% pack hunting, -2% pair hunting)
  • 1 Vet, 2 Green working jobs
  • 1 veteran (Hainako) Translation service
  • 5 veteran + 3 green working courier business (Minimum 3 vets)
  • 2 vets on dispatch service (+30% grief cubes additive with demon finding, -1% casualties)
  • 1.5 vet on telepathic communication (-2% pair hunting, -1% pack hunting)
  • 1 Veteran, Paperpushing
  • 3 Vets (Akane, Kit), 2 Green, 1 Associate
Note: the upkeep listed amounts to 8 greens, not 7, and yes that means that all our greens are being used for upkeep duties, either working mundane jobs or on upkeep for training.

Also, we should prioritize moral improvements and retraining over research this turn.
Agreed; we lost 5 cubes to spirals this turn; I'd rather not keep losing that much. I'm thinking two morale days this month:
  • A "Welcome to the Serene" party for Seto's group. Let them get to know the extended organization, etc.
  • A memorial party to coincide with the 49th day after the super-demon event. The majority of Japan is Buddhist, or at least follow Buddhist funerary rites, so the shijūkunichi is already going to be important to many girls; this will let it be a day of remembrance for Seto's group, and let everyone else be there for them.

Might be okay. Worm makes me worry an awful lot about that type of power. Though if it's clear that talk to doesn't mean they have to listen, I suppose it would be difficult to munchkin that too badly.
The reason that the Worm power is so awesome really has very little to do with insect control, and everything to do with one-woman army multitasking, combined with more than a bit of plot armor and idiot boxing of opponents.

I'm not really sure how you intend to go about implementing this one either. I mean Kyouko has the most experience fighting out of any of your current crop (especially if you count the amount of time she spent hunting with her clone twice). But I'm not sure that experience fighting really translates into ability to teach that.
I agree; I think we're going to need to research advanced combat techniques first, which should involve, IMO:
  1. Observing (maybe even recording? Can we enchant cameras, wrapped in plastic, into the miasma and have them continue to work?) meguca tactics already used in the field, especially by the elites, and work backwards to determine what tactics are used and why they are effective.
  2. Enrolling meguca in combat courses of varying types: martial arts, weapons, firearms training, etc.
  3. Researching how to apply that knowledge to demon (or other meguca) fighting.
  4. Finally, spreading conclusions and new knowledge with the rest of the group.
All said and done, I assume that basic combat tactics are mostly known to all meguca via instinctual knowledge, and just need a bit of a "reminder" to be regularly used--after all, we're only giving them the equivalent of a day's training--but going beyond that instinct requires study and practice.

Hmm. Yeah. However a house of the same size won't be sufficient. That'll give us 25 capacity, but between the two houses we'll only have 50, when we need a minimum of 56. Right at that annoying spot where a third house would be way too much, but even keeping a handful of apartments would still leave the houses at close to capacity.
Well we need at least one apartment set in Iwata, since it's still relatively far from everything, but I don't know if it rates a full-on house.

Actually I think we should stick with the two house+apartments deal for now, and save up money for a down payment on buying a house/houses, rather than just renting, as that will save money in the long run (mostly due to tax savings) and let the Serene build up equity for future loans as needed.

@inverted_helix given the $4000/month rent, I'd estimate that the property owner is actually paying $3000 a month for their loan payment. This implies the total loan amount was for ~$558,000, which at 20% down gives us a home value of ~$700,000. Property taxes in Japan amount to around 1.7%, in this case ~$12,000, or $1000 a month, which accounts for the other $1000 we're being charged (renters make their money on property depreciation and tax writeoffs mostly; if you charge much more than that in rent then you generally get undercut by the market). So, that gives us $700,000 for a property that gives us 25 meguca capacity; does that sound fair?

Now, on to expenses for buying a similar property! Say we look for, and obtain, a $700,000 property. Acquisition costs will run to around 13.5% of the home's value in Japan (realator fees, acquisition taxes, etc); we'll just round that up to 15% and 2 cubes to account for kyuubey's extra fees and services. Combine this with 20% down and we have an initial startup cost of $245,000, with monthly upkeep costs of, again, $4000, just like before (see above math). We will own the property outright in 30*12=360 turns if we don't pay off the loan early, at which point the monthly upkeep cost goes down to $1000.

But wait! Now that we own the property, we can use it for write offs! All that income we're making for the restaurant is being taxed, probably at around 30% or so. With our new writeoff, which will probably be owned by the same corporate persona that owns the restaurant, we can save a lot of money on tax writeoffs, even without drawing any notice from auditors (in fact it would draw attention if we wrote off too little, really). So, if it were me running the quest, I'd just treat this as an income bonus of $1500 a month, for every $4000/month homeowners upkeep and $6000+/month we make in legitimate income.

In other words, I propose:
[] Improve Housing: Purchase House: You could always use another house for your girls. Will still be quite a few people per bedroom, but gives more of a feeling of home. Purchasing a house lets you write off a lot of income taxes, and builds up equity for future loans.
Cost: $245,000, 2 cubes to smooth over documentation issues, and 3 Veteran Meguca; Reward House (for up to 25 Meguca extra capacity), ongoing cost 4000$ per month or you start having legal issues. Payable at the beginning of the month, reduces to $1000 per month after 360 turns.
Synergy Bonus: Owning a home and running a business let you write off income. For every house owned, you get effectively $1500 a month back from the government, assuming you make more than $6000 per house.
Synergy Bonus: Owning a house lets you build up equity for future loans/lines of credit, which can be made at a lower interest rate. This means no more 20% credit card loans; home equity lines of credit top out at around 5% instead. For simplicity, total home equity is $140,000 plus $1600 per successful loan payment.

Sound fair?
 
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Also, it looks like 8 of our total capacity comes from Mami's apartment, which was messing up my numbers a bit, earlier.
No Mami's apartment is 3 capacity, it's much more upscale and has more tenant limitations. I think you might be missing that you got an apartment in Iwata around when you took that area over.

Note: the upkeep listed amounts to 8 greens, not 7, and yes that means that all our greens are being used for upkeep duties, either working mundane jobs or on upkeep for training.
Whoops I'll fix that.

Observing (maybe even recording? Can we enchant cameras, wrapped in plastic, into the miasma and have them continue to work?) meguca tactics already used in the field, especially by the elites, and work backwards to determine what tactics are used and why they are effective.
Demons and witches don't seem to show up on film in canon, not sure if this would be immediately available.

All said and done, I assume that basic combat tactics are mostly known to all meguca via instinctual knowledge, and just need a bit of a "reminder" to be regularly used--after all, we're only giving them the equivalent of a day's training--but going beyond that instinct requires study and practice.
The way I'm playing this is that contracting gives you an instinctive combat skill with your meguca weapon. You can contract with a sword and go fight in a competition that day with no prior experience sort of thing. But it doesn't teach you much about positioning, making use of your terrain, or working together with others. That's what much of your training is about.

@inverted_helix given the $4000/month rent, I'd estimate that the property owner is actually paying $3000 a month for their loan payment. This implies the total loan amount was for ~$558,000, which at 20% down gives us a home value of ~$700,000. Property taxes in Japan amount to around 1.7%, in this case ~$12,000, or $1000 a month, which accounts for the other $1000 we're being charged (renters make their money on property depreciation and tax writeoffs mostly; if you charge much more than that in rent then you generally get undercut by the market). So, that gives us $700,000 for a property that gives us 25 meguca capacity; does that sound fair?
It sounds reasonable enough. Please keep in mind that capacity has a 50% relationship abstraction with how many are actually living there. (And that I didn't actually do much research on housing prices in Japan, I just did what amounts to an educated guess.)

With our new writeoff, which will probably be owned by the same corporate persona that owns the restaurant, we can save a lot of money on tax writeoffs,
Can corporations write off house payments in this way? I didn't think corporations could write off capital investment like that. Since it results in a capital asset. If the value of the capital asset declines over time you can amortize and deduct that, but real estate doesn't tend to depreciate. An individual can deduct their house payment from taxes, but corporate tax law is different.
 
@TheEyes : Only problem is that we're a long way from being able to drop $245k in startup on a house purchase. Assuming we get the second house and 20 mopeds (~1/3 of all girls), we're going to spend most of the year with about $30k in the bank. We might hit $40k by the end of the year, but I'm betting we'll be spending money on more armor and research, too.

Between the stipend for the increased number of girls (+1800) and the house rental cost (+1000), that's an extra $28k or so we're spending this year. While a fair chunk, even that's not much compared to the $245k we'd need.

Still a nice idea, but definitely in the 'later' pile.

Was pondering putting the stipend increase off til the mopeds were purchased (the $5700 would pay for 5 mopeds per month), but the girls really deserve an increase in stipend with our new income, and it's important for morale.
 
No Mami's apartment is 3 capacity, it's much more upscale and has more tenant limitations. I think you might be missing that you got an apartment in Iwata around when you took that area over.
Ah, ok. I was looking at total (64 last turn, 76 this turn) minus the house (25) minus apartments (31 last turn, 43 this turn), and getting 8 left over for each turn. Since Mami's apartment was the only other housing unit listed, figured it all went to that.
 
Ah, ok. I was looking at total (64 last turn, 76 this turn) minus the house (25) minus apartments (31 last turn, 43 this turn), and getting 8 left over for each turn. Since Mami's apartment was the only other housing unit listed, figured it all went to that.
Hmm I'll double check at some point for errors. I might have had some sort of clerical error in a past post that never got corrected.

Hmm for some reason in turn 25 I added 5 to your housing capacity total for no apparent reason. I can't figure out why. I've revised it back down to 71 as your total now. Still trying to figure out where that came from in turn 25.
 
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Can corporations write off house payments in this way? I didn't think corporations could write off capital investment like that. Since it results in a capital asset. If the value of the capital asset declines over time you can amortize and deduct that, but real estate doesn't tend to depreciate. An individual can deduct their house payment from taxes, but corporate tax law is different.
Corporations can write off fricking everything, especially interest on loans (not principal, obviously) and yes, building depreciation (not land value, notably; just the "improvements" put on top of the land, on the theory that they need to be replaced/renovated after X years). Remember that corporations basically wrote the tax laws, so there are more exceptions and loopholes for businesses than an individual homeowner can ever hope to achieve. Japanese tax laws are even more business-friendly than American ones, actually; income limits are looser, and you can depreciate buildings faster than in America.

@Kinematics yeah I know we're a ways away from that, but it's something to think about. I guess we could possibly get a 2nd mortgage, maybe another business loan once we've paid off our current one, to cover the down payment and acquisition costs, but that's all a bit more iffy, and harder to do in Japan than in the US where you can get FHA loans that let you buy with only 3.5% down in some cases.
Demons and witches don't seem to show up on film in canon, not sure if this would be immediately available.
Yay, another research project! :) Bodycams for meguca!

Was pondering putting the stipend increase off til the mopeds were purchased (the $5700 would pay for 5 mopeds per month), but the girls really deserve an increase in stipend with our new income, and it's important for morale.
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. We'll be making more money when the restaurant is fully up and running; we can invest in mopeds then. What do you think about my idea for 2 morale days this month?
 
Might be okay. Worm makes me worry an awful lot about that type of power. Though if it's clear that talk to doesn't mean they have to listen, I suppose it would be difficult to munchkin that too badly.

Oh yeah. I figured it would be something like this:

Nagisa thought occasionally that maybe she should let the other girls know that she could actually talk to animals and that she wasn't just pretending. The thing that made her hesitate was having to admit she had wasted her wish on something so frivolous and useless. Oh sure, in fairy tales talking to animals was always the thing that saved the Princess and was a totally awesome thing to be able to do. In real life...

Take birds, they were often persuadable to do something for her, especially with a bribe of food. The problem was that they always got distracted and forgot what she had asked them to do. Sometimes before they even left her sight. They hardly remembered anything important either, unless you wanted to hear about how amazing and wonderful they were. That or they wanted to scold her.

Cats? Okay, so cats were more intelligent. Which meant that you always had to bribe them. And they remembered what you asked them to do, it was just... they always seemed to find something more important to them half way through whatever you asked them to do and leave things half done. Then they expected you to give them the full reward anyway, and got offended if you didn't give it to them. They were pretty decent observers of things, but they almost never volunteered anything useful unless you asked them the right questions. Kittens were nicer and cuter, but Nagisa had had to warn them all to stay away until old enough that Keiko wasn't interested in them anymore.

Dogs? So dogs were much better then cats at staying on task, very... dogged. While they did get distracted they usually returned rapidly to task. Breeds tended to make a big difference in their skill set, how intelligent they were, and how complex the commands were. Labradors, Spaniels, dogs like that were great at fetching anything. Shepard types seemed to be the best at handling complex commands. They were usually willing to help to just because you asked them. There was just one problem. Dogs had a very honed sense of hierarchy, and if any one in their hierarchy higher then Nagisa (such as a owner) gave them a command they immediately abandoned whatever task Nagisa had asked them to do in favor of their new order.

Nagisa, paused in her thoughts. Maybe Mami would buy her a dog if she presented it as away to use her powers more usefully? Then she would be the highest in the hierarchy. Although really this was more so she could have a dog. Nagisa sighed, she had wished to lose her allergies because she wanted a pet, the talking to them bonus had come as a nice surprise. That pet thing hadn't worked out so well though, what with losing her home and all.

Talking to insects was pretty pointless, they had very limited conversation topics, mainly around food, mating, and building homes. Anything else they didn't even seem to have the vocabulary for. More exotic animals like horses? Nagisa hadn't ever had a chance to see what that would be like. She really, really, really, really wanted to see how things would go with talking to a horse. Somehow though, she was very certain that Mami would not agree to buy her one. Nagisa sighed once again. She really loved her abilities, but she did wish she was more useful to everyone.
 
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  • A "Welcome to the Serene" party for Seto's group. Let them get to know the extended organization, etc.
  • A memorial party to coincide with the 49th day after the super-demon event. The majority of Japan is Buddhist, or at least follow Buddhist funerary rites, so the shijūkunichi is already going to be important to many girls; this will let it be a day of remembrance for Seto's group, and let everyone else be there for them.
A "moving in" party might work for the first one, if we get the new house.

Second sounds decent too, though not sure whether we'd want to lean more towards a more private thing (and thus something else as a more general event), or a more publicly acknowledged one.
What do you think about my idea for 2 morale days this month?
I wouldn't mind it, but I'm still working through what our basic requirements are going to be. Two morale days means 4 meguca-months.
 
@Elder Haman, the only problem with your Omake is that Nagisa still being around implies she used her wish to cure her mom of whatever it was that killed her. In canon she witched because she didn't use her wish on that then found out she could have.
 
Take birds, they were often persuadable to do something for her, especially with a bribe of food. The problem was that they always got distracted and forgot what she had asked them to do. Sometimes before they even left her sight. They hardly remembered anything important either, unless you wanted to hear about how amazing and wonderful they were.
Poor girl must have been talking to pigeons or seagulls. Ravens and parrots are much, much smarter--parrots are almost straddling the line towards sapience!
 
It sounds reasonable enough. Please keep in mind that capacity has a 50% relationship abstraction with how many are actually living there. (And that I didn't actually do much research on housing prices in Japan, I just did what amounts to an educated guess.)


The numbers seem reasonable for outside of Tokyo. Tokyo real estate will probably be double, triple or something insane like that.

Can corporations write off house payments in this way? I didn't think corporations could write off capital investment like that. Since it results in a capital asset. If the value of the capital asset declines over time you can amortize and deduct that, but real estate doesn't tend to depreciate. An individual can deduct their house payment from taxes, but corporate tax law is different.

It's not the land as much as the loan. Tax laws are usually written to encourage companies to reinvest their profits in their business as away to encourage expansion. To explicitly encourage them to accumulate more capital so that their business will grow(and hire more people). Thus capital expenditures are usually deducted before applying the tax rate. A loan then spreads the expenditure out over the length of the loan. So the way it work is our profits are decreased do to having to service the loan, but our tax payments also go down, so if we are using whatever we purchased with the loan to reduce other expenditures (like rent) we actually come out ahead on money.

@Kinematics yeah I know we're a ways away from that, but it's something to think about. I guess we could possibly get a 2nd mortgage, maybe another business loan once we've paid off our current one, to cover the down payment and acquisition costs, but that's all a bit more iffy, and harder to do in Japan than in the US where you can get FHA loans that let you buy with only 3.5% down in some cases.

Yeah, I say we go with the 2 houses and apartments plan for now. Let's get out of debt before we leverage ourselves anymore.
 
OK, since we have re-training costs..

3 meguca for Retraining Solo Tactics will allow us to go back to pair hunting, with RT to DS+8. Going from pack to pairs reduces the number of hunters by 3, so it's all good.

16.5 hunters (3 of which are elite) + 3 trainers = 19.5 for that, though we'll only get a 67.4 cube harvest. A bit less than I'd like, but it will allow 82 cubes to be harvested next turn, rather than the 80 if we'd hunted to DS+10, so it's not all lost.

If we retrain Defending Others, that's another 3 meguca on training, plus 1 on hunting to go to DS+10. We'd be back up at 71.3 cubes, but we'd be spending 4 meguca for that. The 3 training meguca will have to be spent eventually; it's just a matter of how quickly we want to get back up to speed, and how much those 4 cubes are worth right now.

If we only harvest 67.4, we'll be at 59.5 after all upkeep and payments, before grief spirals. If we do any research, we'll fall a bit below the one-month buffer.

However if we do both training items, that will leave us with 4 vet units, at least 2 of which are going to morale. We wouldn't have space to add research, but we could do the second morale day, leaving us with maybe 1 elite to put somewhere.

So, there's no space for research this turn either way. Either we won't have the manpower, or we'll be pushing things on the cube side (though the latter is less of an impediment). Which means there's not really much pressure to go for 71 cubes over 67, other than to not lose those 2 cubes from the RT hunting.


Also note that the above numbers still don't include any harvest from the nomadic area, so we might get a couple more cubes from that.

Do we want to split the retraining over two months, or do it all right now? If we split it, we could still do two morale days and still have 4 meguca units leftover for 'something else'.
 
@Elder Haman, the only problem with your Omake is that Nagisa still being around implies she used her wish to cure her mom of whatever it was that killed her. In canon she witched because she didn't use her wish on that then found out she could have.

Different Nagisa. I'm talking about the one from my "So you Wanna Be A Hero" Omake. She was a green recruited from the rural area between Mitakihara and Kasimono. Veteran now though.

Nagisa-Charolette is part of the Law of Cycles canonically.

Poor girl must have been talking to pigeons or seagulls. Ravens and parrots are much, much smarter--parrots are almost straddling the line towards sapience!

Pigeons, crows, and various songbirds mainly. It's not so much that they are stupid, as that they are very distractable, and would much much rather spend time talking about themselves. Very much a case of distracted by the shiny. She's never tried a parrot.

@inverted_helix I've tried thinking of what kind of bonuses or advantages Nagasi could have. The only thing I could come up with is a bonus of some kind to finding Demons in a Nomad or Rural area. The animals might be able to tell her were there is a feeling of depression. Wouldn't help in an urban area, as normal searching and the dispatch team are far quicker to find things then questioning animals.
 
Also note that the above numbers still don't include any harvest from the nomadic area, so we might get a couple more cubes from that.

Do we want to split the retraining over two months, or do it all right now? If we split it, we could still do two morale days and still have 4 meguca units leftover for 'something else'.

I tend to think we should do it all now. Cube stockpile is a huge issue for morale, especially new girls.
 
Also, looked up the cost of getting a house last time. There was an initial cost (probly the first/last month's rent), plus 3 meguca (likely for househunting and some of the moving in). While the money is less of an issue, we may need to set aside a few meguca for the house hunt, which may mean we need to split the retraining.
 
Assuming Seto is assigned to the nomad area for now (just to get a feel for how that's going to work) at a rate of 0.5, we could assign the other half of her time to the RT hunt if we do the dual retraining, and not need to spend the extra vet. Total would be 70.7 cubes plus whatever came from the nomad area.

After jobs, support, and hunting are accounted for, we have 11 units remaining. 3 for the first retraining, 3 for the house hunt, and 2 for one morale day leaves 3 leftover. That could either be applied to a second morale day (with 1 leftover), or to the second retraining.

Also, the house hunt could reasonably be considered in the light of a pseudo-morale day on its own, what with the fun of exploring and finding a new house that everyone likes.



Aside: While considering buying a house in the Kasamino area, I can't help but think that refurbishing the Sakura church would be both a really nice thing to do (maybe; Kyouko's feelings on the matter are likely to be both for and against), and probably provide a rather substantial amount of housing (being an old-style church). Probably not something we could do right now, but... well, what would it take to clean it up and make it livable again? I'm guessing a multi-month project.

Since To The Stars is often referenced as an inspiration, the idea of the Sakura church being recreated just seemed oddly appropriate.
 
Since I rather like the idea, adding a little more, along with potential voting lines.

On the Sakura church: The question is, who owns it?

I guess it's not actually Kyouko's property. Probably reverted to the main church's holdings after her father's death. However they were intending (per omake) to tear it down, so right now it's nothing but a tax write-off for them (if that, given the tax-exempt nature of most churches). Would they consign custody of the place in exchange for the girls handling refurbishment and maintenance?

And probably some agreement not to allow 'heretical' teachings, since that's what caused problems the first time (though I'd prefer if we can get away without that restriction; the idea of the Church of Madoka would blatantly violate that). Whether we'd actually have to hold services (even if only in a token manner) would be another minor issue.

[] Discuss with Kyouko the idea of refurbishing her family's church, and using it as a home for the girls in the Serene.
[] If she's amenable to the idea, ask Kyuubey about what it would take to arrange for custody of the property to be transferred to Kyouko's name (in perpetuity for her and her direct descendents), with allowances for handling refurbishment and ongoing maintenance.
 
I guess it's not actually Kyouko's property. Probably reverted to the main church's holdings after her father's death.
Erm, if it's not, then the church would have done something with it by now; it's been years since Kyouko's father, after all. I'd argue that it'd have to have been Kyouko's father's own property; if it hadn't been, he would have been transferred and possibly fired the moment he started his heretical teachings, as most church organizations are really not okay with that sort of thing.

As to its current status? Who knows; Kyouko obviously hasn't been paying attention, so it's a toss-up to see if her father's other holdings have been able to pay the property tax all this time, or if the state has taken possession of the property instead.
 
Erm, if it's not, then the church would have done something with it by now; it's been years since Kyouko's father, after all. I'd argue that it'd have to have been Kyouko's father's own property; if it hadn't been, he would have been transferred and possibly fired the moment he started his heretical teachings, as most church organizations are really not okay with that sort of thing.

As to its current status? Who knows; Kyouko obviously hasn't been paying attention, so it's a toss-up to see if her father's other holdings have been able to pay the property tax all this time, or if the state has taken possession of the property instead.
Mainly thinking in terms of this omake, and helix's comment on it:
FixerUpper's Omake is pretty accurate to my line of thinking on Kyouko at the moment.
 
Aside: While considering buying a house in the Kasamino area, I can't help but think that refurbishing the Sakura church would be both a really nice thing to do (maybe; Kyouko's feelings on the matter are likely to be both for and against), and probably provide a rather substantial amount of housing (being an old-style church). Probably not something we could do right now, but... well, what would it take to clean it up and make it livable again? I'm guessing a multi-month project.

Since To The Stars is often referenced as an inspiration, the idea of the Sakura church being recreated just seemed oddly appropriate.

I agree, but we are probably not in a position to do this yet.

Since I rather like the idea, adding a little more, along with potential voting lines.

On the Sakura church: The question is, who owns it?

I guess it's not actually Kyouko's property. Probably reverted to the main church's holdings after her father's death. However they were intending (per omake) to tear it down, so right now it's nothing but a tax write-off for them (if that, given the tax-exempt nature of most churches). Would they consign custody of the place in exchange for the girls handling refurbishment and maintenance?

Erm, if it's not, then the church would have done something with it by now; it's been years since Kyouko's father, after all. I'd argue that it'd have to have been Kyouko's father's own property; if it hadn't been, he would have been transferred and possibly fired the moment he started his heretical teachings, as most church organizations are really not okay with that sort of thing.

I thought it was pretty clear that they were poor after her father started his preaching until Kyouko made her wish, at which point he then got a following including donations to build the church. Thus it must have been her fathers. Not sure if Kyouko actually inherited it, if she needs to pay back taxes or something, or if someone else got it when sold to pay off debts?

My head cannon has always been that some developer bought it at the estate auction but the construction crews all got scared off by Kyouko and the place is now considered haunted and thus the legal owner has given up on it. We might be able to get it cheap.
 
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