Mage the Ascension Discussion, Homebrew, Worldbuilding, and Game finding.

I did not ignore your point. It just does not matter. And again so what? To me those are tired niches and even detrimental to OMage.

You guys would have OMage be nothing but Trads being smug right about everything with everyone else being evil

Just look at this:

So Mankind as a Chaotic evil race of gods needing to be put down and this has a twisted sense of "correctness" to it. For OMage.
To you they are. But many people, me included, came into MtA for the fight of the dynamic reality-warping freedom-fighters against the thinkpolicing control freaks, just like many people came into SW for the Light-Sided underdog rebels fighting against the Dark-Sided authoritarians.

You want a different setting? Well, okay. But when you say that something which started the setting and is the reason why so many people came to like "it just does not matter", that's rather dismissive and invites either a desire to counterargue, or counterdismiss your preferences.
 
Frankly, it's important that the Union does shady stuff; it can't be the Objective Good Guys of the setting, and I think you would find @MJ12 Commando and @EarthScorpion both argue that they simply can't, in the grand context of the Ascension War, they are merely the dominant side. If you like control, centralization and modernization? Then the Union is the side for you, but the thing about exerting such control over the consensus is that the Union sacrifices; it sacrifices itself, it sacrifices it's enemies, and it sacrifices the people it protects.

That's all aspects of the Union that it's members will have to deal with and work with, and these aspects of the Union are important to keep as part of it so that the Storyteller can ask you one, very important question with regards to your actions in the context of the Union.

What are you going to do about it?
 
To you they are. But many people, me included, came into MtA for the fight of the dynamic reality-warping freedom-fighters against the thinkpolicing control freaks, just like many people came into SW for the Light-Sided underdog rebels fighting against the Dark-Sided authoritarians.

You want a different setting? Well, okay. But when you say that something which started the setting and is the reason why so many people came to like "it just does not matter", that's rather dismissive and invites either a desire to counterargue, or counterdismiss your preferences.
I'm giving my opinion of OMage. You are free to dismiss it just as I'm free to dismiss whatever you say. But that does not achieve much does it?

And plenty of people came in for the things I just said or cause technocracy or whatever. I mean is all this about edition wars?

God forbid some people or organizations have nuance to them and not be one-dimensional :(.

I mean lets take the Imperium of man. Lots of people like to mock the Imperium especially about it sometimes forgetting planets cause lol-stagnant but if one takes a closer look, thats not entirely accurate.

From the 15 hour 40k novel showing how the Imperium can sometimes forget worlds or send stuff or people to the wrong worlds:

A Day in the Life of Erasmos Ng


Coordinate: two three three point eight six three nine, the voice blared into Erasmos Ngs ear as he dutifully typed the number 233.8639 into the cogitator before him. Coordinate: two four two point seven four six eight. Coordinate: two three eight point five nine six one. Correction: two three eightpoint five eight six one. Further coordinates pending. Wait.

With that, the voice in his earpiece fell abruptly silent. Granted brief respite from the endless stream of numbers that assailed him every minute of his working life, Erasmos Ng turned his tired eyes to gaze at the cavernous interior of the room around him. As ever, Data Processing Room 312 was a hive of mindless activity as a thousand other bored and dispirited souls just like him went about their labours. Here, numbers were crunched, data entries updated, reports filed, then collated, then cross-indexed all amid a constant din of clattering type-keys and whirring logic-wheels that put him in mind of nothing so much as the sound of an insect army on the march. Still, he realised it was a spurious analogy. The labours of insects at least served some useful purpose. While he had long ago begun to doubt that what went on in Room 312 served any purpose at all.

Coordinate: two three five point one five three zero, the voice in his earpiece crackled into life again. Coordinate: two two two point six one seven four. Coordinate: two three six point one zero one five. And so on, ad infinitum.

Resuming his task with a weary sigh, as he typed the new set of coordinates into the cogitator, Ng found himself reflecting sadly on how often the shape of a mans life came to be dictated by the happenstance of birth. If he had been born on another planet he might have been a miner, a farmer, or even a huntsman. As it was he had been born on this world on Libris VI. A world whose only industry of note resided in a single enormous Administratum complex the size of a city one of many thousands of such complexes the Administratum maintained across the galaxy. Lacking other prospects, like his parents before him Erasmos Ng had entered Imperial service, becoming just another small cog in the vast bureaucratic machine responsible for the functioning smooth or otherwise of the entire Imperium. A selfless and noble calling, or so they told him. Though, as with so much else he had been told in his life, he no longer believed it.

Coordinate: two one eight point four one zero zero, the voice his unseen tormentor said, his tone smug and mocking even through the static. Coordinate: two two one point one seven two nine.

Now, at the age of forty-five and with thirty years of mind-numbing tedium behind him Ng knew he had risen as far in the Administratum hierarchy as he was likely to go. Specifically, to the heady heights of Assistant Scribe, Grade Secundus Minoris. A records clerk by any other name, condemned to spend every day of his life hunched over the cogitator at his workstation in Room 312. His appointed task: to type into the cogitator the never-ending series of numbers spoken to him by the disembodied voice over his earpiece. A task he performed seven days a week, twelve hours a day, barring two permitted fifteen-minute rest-breaks, a full half-hour for his midday meal, and a single days unpaid holiday every year on Emperors Day.

Beaten down by the bleak dreariness of his existence, Erasmos Ng found he had long ago stopped caring what purpose his labours served. Instead, for thirty years now, he had simply performed his allotted task, repetitively typing coordinates into the cogitator again and again and again, no longer caring what - if anything they meant. A lost soul, adrift in a dark and endless sea of numbers. Coordinate: two three three point three three two one, the voice said, grinding his soul down a little more with every word. Coordinate: two two three point seven seven one two.

Then, just as he finished typing a new set of coordinates into the machine, Erasmos Ng abruptly realised he might have made a mistake. That last coordinate - was it 223.7712 or 223.7721? But long past giving a damn one way or another he simply shrugged, put it from his mind, and went on to the next one. After all, he consoled himself, it hardly really mattered whether or not he had made a mistake. He had long ago realised his labours, like his life, were of no importance.

And, in the end, they were only numbers

Now the context here is that these "only numbers" leads to the MC and his character dying pointlessly to Orks on a forgotten world. This guy did it accidentally not out of malice or mustache twirly evil. He was just tired as fuck and didn't give a shit about his job cause he saw no point to it.

I can understand why they don't tell him cause if he knew what his job actually did, inevitably the info will get out there and thus causing people to try and sabotage said work but if people think its nothing, then no one cares one bit. Of course that leads to the unfortunate events the MC and his fellow soldiers faces where they all die. Its quite possible entire planets are lost cause of these type of circumstances.

So its not, we forget cause lol, stupid Imperium or lol, stagnant tech Imperium
 
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Frankly, it's important that the Union does shady stuff; it can't be the Objective Good Guys of the setting, and I think you would find @MJ12 Commando and @EarthScorpion both argue that they simply can't, in the grand context of the Ascension War, they are merely the dominant side. If you like control, centralization and modernization? Then the Union is the side for you, but the thing about exerting such control over the consensus is that the Union sacrifices; it sacrifices itself, it sacrifices it's enemies, and it sacrifices the people it protects.

That's all aspects of the Union that it's members will have to deal with and work with, and these aspects of the Union are important to keep as part of it so that the Storyteller can ask you one, very important question with regards to your actions in the context of the Union.

What are you going to do about it?
And I agree with you. All sides, both Traditions and Technocracy should have their pros and cons, virtues and faults. With the Traditions being lighter of course cause they have kicked out of power and so on. Hell, easiest way to think of the Technocracy is that they are the government and governments and all parts of it or tied to it in some way are known for shady shit.

Also, enemies are not sacrificed. They are killed or subverted cause they are the enemy, the reality deviants ;)
 
I'm giving my opinion of OMage. You are free to dismiss it just as I'm free to dismiss whatever you say. But that does not achieve much does it?

And plenty of people came in for the things I just said or cause technocracy or whatever. I mean is all this about edition wars?

God forbid some people or organizations have nuance to them and not be one-dimensional :(.
We are all free to dismiss stuff, but this indeed neither achieves much nor produces much in the way of understanding each other.

Should it really be seen as a fight between "God forbid some people or organizations have nuance to them and not be one-dimensional" vs. "God forbid some people want to play a setting that's about punching Goliath Nazis Galactic Imperials Technos"?

Or should it be more about "some people want a setting inspired by a grey-and-gray premise" vs. "some people want a setting that was inspired by a light-and-dark premise"? I think the latter way of viewing each other is more constructive. There is a certain effect of "we lived here first, you came here and changed our land" coming from the latter group in this paragraph. Which doesn't make the second group objectively better, but should provide some insight into the question you asked that caused this subthread.

With the Traditions being lighter of course cause they have kicked out of power and so on.
Umm, if the lighter faction is only lighter due to lacking power, that makes the whole struggle around which the game line is built rather meaningless, removing the main thing that makes it interesting.
 
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We are all free to dismiss stuff, but this indeed neither achieves much nor produces much in the way of understanding each other.
Agreed.

Should it really be seen as a fight between "God forbid some people or organizations have nuance to them and not be one-dimensional" vs. "God forbid some people want to play a setting that's about punching Goliath Nazis Galactic Imperials Technos"?
Thats pretty much what you guys are doing from how vehement the arguments are.

Or should it be more about "some people want a setting inspired by a grey-and-gray premise" vs. "some people want a setting that was inspired by a light-and-dark premise"? I think the latter way of viewing each other is more constructive. There is a certain effect of "we lived here first, you came here and changed our land" coming from the latter group in this paragraph. Which doesn't make the second group objectively better, but should provide some insight into the question you asked that caused this subthread.
The land was never yours to begin with. Literally, I mean it belonged to White Wolf and they can do what they want ;) .

Is anyone trying to take away your right to making a plucky Trads fighting Techno thing? Unless, I missed something. I don't think so. MJ12 is MJ12, I think he actually works for the Technocracy :lol.

Just kidding @MJ12 Commando ;)

Umm, if the lighter faction is only lighter due to lacking power, that makes the whole struggle around which the game line is built rather meaningless, removing the main thing that makes it interesting.
I think this comment is more on you then me actually.

But the Traditions lost power and got hunted by the Technocracy and changed. Thats canon. Whats the issue here? I mean are you having in your head the idea that the struggle between the traditions and Technocracy was preordained long ago where the Traditions would all be plucky underdogs fighting the good fight and they were all happy go lucky friend or something :confused:?
 
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But the Traditions lost power and got hunted by the Technocracy and changed. Thats canon. Whats the issue here? I mean are you having in your head the idea that the struggle between the traditions and Technocracy was preordained long ago where the Traditions would all be plucky underdogs fighting the good fight and they were all happy go lucky friend or something :confused:?

But it was preordained, frankly. From a doyalist perspective they wanted two sides, one representing freedom, choice, growth, hope, and the other side representing stagnation, bondage, the status quo, entrapment, enslavement. They used Big Government and Big Corporations as the vessel for the negative, and invented out of whole clothe mostly the 'positive' groups that would be in opposition to this.

It's why the Technocracy is more thematically coherent then the Traditions. From their starting point, the Technocracy could only be a few things, because 'Big Government' and 'Big Business' are finite fixed things that resonate with those theme only in specific ways. The opposition freedom fighters could be almost anything, as long as that 'anything' doesn't fit in with the Technocracy.

Then they worked backwards. The Traditions exist as they do to be the 'not!Technocracy.' It's why they're fundamentally a mess, and honestly you could clean them up a lot.

Like, I like most of the groups in the Traditions... sort of, but they're nonsense as big tent groups. That's a product of some of them being very narrow slices that expanded beyond all reason when they got fleshed out later, or groups that always were stupidly big. If I was starting from the ground up...

Well, I would do it serious very different.
 
Out of curiosity, does anyone have other interesting ideas about what they'd like to see as oMage Shard Worlds like that of The Grand Inquisitor? I'm thinking about putting together like a GURPS Infinite Worlds thing at some point
The Shard we need is the Mage High School shard. Wait! Hear me out on this one.

Mage HighSchool
In the Mage High School Shard the old and nostalgic Ascension High must face off against the newer and richer Union High. Instead of the Traditions we have The Cliques. The Cliques resemble the Traditions, but are divided differently.

First you have the Popular Kids. They use Mind to navigate the complex web of high school politics, seeing true intentions and controlling rumors. The Popular Kids are also known for their extravagant parties. The Popular Kids also includes a subset, called the Cheerleaders. The Cheerleaders use Mind to raise the morale of the players, and also invoke school Spirit through the totem of the School Mascot.

You also have popular kids at Union High called the Rich Kids. The Rich Kids also show off their status, but in a way that flaunts their wealth. The favored sphere of the Rich Kids is Primal Utility. The Rich Kids are rivals with, but also overlap some with, The Achievers.
The Achievers are often seen as hard working and social. The Achievers are often jack-of-all-trades types, doing well in both Academic and Athletic pursuits. Achievers consistently run the shady and controlling Student Council of Union High, though not without competition from the Rich Kids. Achievers often specialize in Mind through personal discipline and social acumen.

The Popular Kids also share the spotlight with and hang out with The Jocks. The Jocks are often divided into subcategories. All Stars are more oriented on personal discipline and mind games with your opponents. Also within the sports clubs, with more people, are often Team Players and focus more on coordination and picking up the slack. Team Players often don't take the spotlight themselves, but are good friends with most of the team and have fun just playing the game. The Jocks often favor Life for self buffing, Time for quick decisions, Mind and Correspondence for teamwork, and finally Forces for unbelievable shots.

Union High has it's own athletic groups, known as the Alphas. The Alphas have good genes and an expensive sports training program. Alphas also often do better academically than their Jock counterparts.

Lower on the social hierarchy than the Popular Kids, but not at the bottom, is the Rhapsody. The Rhapsody is subdivided into Band, Orchestra, Chorus, and Drama. The difference between Band and Orchestra is more cultural than paradigmatic. Chorus often has a bit of a religious bent, learning to sing latin and singing Choir songs. Drama is probably the member of the Performing Arts that stands out the most. Drama, sometimes encompassing dance, is a different kind of performance than the musical members of the Rhapsody. While most of the Rhapsody use Mind to reach their audiences, Drama also uses Life and Spirit. Drama uses Life through makeup to alter their appearances to look like different people, and uses Spirit through costumes and props to help invoke and become one with the role they are playing. A good actor or actress from Drama can often look and act like a different person on stage then off stage.

Rivals to Ascension's Rhapsody are the Union's Performing Arts. Performing Arts Receives more money, goes on more trips, and has better equipment. Performing Arts often has a strong sense of unity in contrast to the messy performances of the Rhapsody.

At the bottom of the social classes are Delinquents and Nerds. Delinquents have a strong sense of camaraderie between them and an uncompromising sense of personal identity. Delinquents, although they skip school more often then other students, are often not as bad as they look. Delinquents will sometimes be caught fighting for a good cause and assisting the weak. Delinquents often specialize in Entropy, Life, and Forces, their "on the edge" lifestyle teaching them gambling, fighting, breaking things, and patching themselves back up.

Union High also has students who get up to suspicious activities outside of class. Often the children of rich parents and suspected mobsters The Gang (also referred to sometimes as Socs) mostly breaks rules for the thrill, knowing that their parents with bail them out if they get caught.

Nerds also have a strong identity. Nerds have multiple subtypes, but these often overlap. Nerd subtypes are based around clubs. Nerd subtypes include an Otaku Club, Literature Club, History Buffs, Computer Club, Gamers, Comic Book Fans, Engineering, Chess, Supernatural Investigations, Role-players and plenty more. The Clique features diverse Spheres based on a Nerd's personal passion. Some of these Spheres include: Data, Forces, Matter, Mind, Prime, Spirit, and Time.

Union High has a STEM program that often competes with the Nerds in academic, scientific, and other competitions. Their TSA (Technology Student Association) and A-Team (Academic Team) are fierce competition and receive better funding.​
 
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In an Ascension High game, your enemy is the Union's Student Council who wants to annex your school. In A Union High game, your enemy is the Union's Student Council who allocates all the budget to another club.
 
Since North Korea in oMage is a bastion of Akashics; is there any books that describe what life is like there? Is it still a basketcase like it is in real life?
 
Since North Korea in oMage is a bastion of Akashics; is there any books that describe what life is like there? Is it still a basketcase like it is in real life?
Consensus Reality means propaganda can change local reality to be more similar to what it claims if it's done well enough. Therefore, while the more extreme claims are still false, enough of what they say is true that the standard of living is close to what poor people in America would expect rather than what they actually have in real life.

Edit: Note that I'm going off the impression I got in Panopticon Quest, not any canon source.
 
It should be noted again that @MJ12 Commando's view of North Korea is explicitly not the canon one, in which North Korea was never really addressed; still I actually really like his view, because it's an example of the Traditions doing something, here we have an entire nation of Akashics, where wise masters transcend the need for hunger and food and sleep, and it's at war with the Union who use propaganda to try to grind it away step by step, and it's an interesting setup which impacts the world for both Traditionalists and Technocrats.
 
It should be noted again that @MJ12 Commando's view of North Korea is explicitly not the canon one, in which North Korea was never really addressed; still I actually really like his view, because it's an example of the Traditions doing something, here we have an entire nation of Akashics, where wise masters transcend the need for hunger and food and sleep, and it's at war with the Union who use propaganda to try to grind it away step by step, and it's an interesting setup which impacts the world for both Traditionalists and Technocrats.
Its kind of a shame then; considering it would a great place to write about to give the Traditions something of substance that they created and can lean on for support.
 
Its kind of a shame then; considering it would a great place to write about to give the Traditions something of substance that they created and can lean on for support.
You can always give the Sons of Ether Ancient Aliens.
The Pyramids came from aliens, aliens gave us relativity, aliens used caves as portals to contact out ancestors, aliens created the minotaur, aliens are why everybody is headed to mars, aliens are where plagues come from, aliens were behind the founding fathers, aliens caused Pompeii, aliens made Bigfoot, DaVinci met aliens, aliens killed the dinosaurs, aliens contacted the Vikings, Aliens are behind the crystal skulls, aliens are behind Merlin and Satan, aliens are behind china, the arc of the covenant was an alien weapon, shaman's contact aliens, aliens are behind stories of superheroes, aliens affected the Civil War, aliens are behind the rocket and the Nazis, the Kraken and the kappa are aliens from underwater wormholes to other dimensions, the Australian Aboriginals connected to aliens through the Dreamtime, aliens put the moon into our orbit, Shiva was an alien and the destruction was the atom bomb.

These are all real episodes of Ancient Aliens. The Sons of Ether have a place on the History Channel team.
 
It should be noted again that @MJ12 Commando's view of North Korea is explicitly not the canon one, in which North Korea was never really addressed; still I actually really like his view, because it's an example of the Traditions doing something, here we have an entire nation of Akashics, where wise masters transcend the need for hunger and food and sleep, and it's at war with the Union who use propaganda to try to grind it away step by step, and it's an interesting setup which impacts the world for both Traditionalists and Technocrats.

Though the fact that we never see it sorta undermines that a little. I mean, all we hear is, "It's a shithole" or something like that, and of course there's the real life assumptions about North Korea that show up.

I mean, if we saw it and it turned out not to be as bad as expected or etc, etc, that'd be one thing.
 
Though the fact that we never see it sorta undermines that a little. I mean, all we hear is, "It's a shithole" or something like that, and of course there's the real life assumptions about North Korea that show up.

I mean, if we saw it and it turned out not to be as bad as expected or etc, etc, that'd be one thing.
laurent there was an entire arc about north korea

laurent most of the main team was there :V
 
But it was preordained, frankly. From a doyalist perspective they wanted two sides, one representing freedom, choice, growth, hope, and the other side representing stagnation, bondage, the status quo, entrapment, enslavement. They used Big Government and Big Corporations as the vessel for the negative, and invented out of whole clothe mostly the 'positive' groups that would be in opposition to this.

It's why the Technocracy is more thematically coherent then the Traditions. From their starting point, the Technocracy could only be a few things, because 'Big Government' and 'Big Business' are finite fixed things that resonate with those theme only in specific ways. The opposition freedom fighters could be almost anything, as long as that 'anything' doesn't fit in with the Technocracy.

Then they worked backwards. The Traditions exist as they do to be the 'not!Technocracy.' It's why they're fundamentally a mess, and honestly you could clean them up a lot.

Like, I like most of the groups in the Traditions... sort of, but they're nonsense as big tent groups. That's a product of some of them being very narrow slices that expanded beyond all reason when they got fleshed out later, or groups that always were stupidly big. If I was starting from the ground up...

Well, I would do it serious very different.
You know what I mean when I say preordained part. This is what I mean. Its you guys who keep pushing and pushing and simply don't stop. As I said, heaven forbid, anyone in OMage has nuance or some points to what they say. And I say this as someone who honestly like both sides. I don't like the Disparate alliance.

Everyone in OMage are utter evil and pure failures who accomplished nothing. Uber alles Traditions.

This is pretty much your guys POV.
 
Frankly, it's important that the Union does shady stuff; it can't be the Objective Good Guys of the setting, and I think you would find @MJ12 Commando and @EarthScorpion both argue that they simply can't, in the grand context of the Ascension War, they are merely the dominant side. If you like control, centralization and modernization? Then the Union is the side for you, but the thing about exerting such control over the consensus is that the Union sacrifices; it sacrifices itself, it sacrifices it's enemies, and it sacrifices the people it protects.
Its kinda thematic in its own way..hmm. To have the power to change the world, we need to control the consensus which means we need control of this and this, but the groups that oppose us and we oppose in return are trying to battle us or infiltrate the consensus and thus more control and sacrifices are made. And on it goes. It ties quite nicely into the how power corrupts and of course that to maintain one's power or control of things, one will of course run into opposition that needs to be crushed or weakened in some way.

RL politics are rife with this sort of stuff. Minus the magic .

AS for OMage, we had that crazy Mage in the Ending scenarios for OMage who sought to take over and rewrite reality in his own image. I think this is a point everyone does not think about much.
 
You can always give the Sons of Ether Ancient Aliens.
The Pyramids came from aliens, aliens gave us relativity, aliens used caves as portals to contact out ancestors, aliens created the minotaur, aliens are why everybody is headed to mars, aliens are where plagues come from, aliens were behind the founding fathers, aliens caused Pompeii, aliens made Bigfoot, DaVinci met aliens, aliens killed the dinosaurs, aliens contacted the Vikings, Aliens are behind the crystal skulls, aliens are behind Merlin and Satan, aliens are behind china, the arc of the covenant was an alien weapon, shaman's contact aliens, aliens are behind stories of superheroes, aliens affected the Civil War, aliens are behind the rocket and the Nazis, the Kraken and the kappa are aliens from underwater wormholes to other dimensions, the Australian Aboriginals connected to aliens through the Dreamtime, aliens put the moon into our orbit, Shiva was an alien and the destruction was the atom bomb.

These are all real episodes of Ancient Aliens. The Sons of Ether have a place on the History Channel team.
So Etherite spirit would just contacting aliens then?
 
You can always give the Sons of Ether Ancient Aliens.
The Pyramids came from aliens, aliens gave us relativity, aliens used caves as portals to contact out ancestors, aliens created the minotaur, aliens are why everybody is headed to mars, aliens are where plagues come from, aliens were behind the founding fathers, aliens caused Pompeii, aliens made Bigfoot, DaVinci met aliens, aliens killed the dinosaurs, aliens contacted the Vikings, Aliens are behind the crystal skulls, aliens are behind Merlin and Satan, aliens are behind china, the arc of the covenant was an alien weapon, shaman's contact aliens, aliens are behind stories of superheroes, aliens affected the Civil War, aliens are behind the rocket and the Nazis, the Kraken and the kappa are aliens from underwater wormholes to other dimensions, the Australian Aboriginals connected to aliens through the Dreamtime, aliens put the moon into our orbit, Shiva was an alien and the destruction was the atom bomb.

These are all real episodes of Ancient Aliens. The Sons of Ether have a place on the History Channel team.
I don't know about you but how does this for example make me want to support the Traditions?
 
I don't know about you but how does this for example make me want to support the Traditions?
It doesn't need to; it's merely one paradigm among many.

Relatedly, do you know of Walter Fisher's narrative paradigm of communication? I think it will help the overall discourse of this thread with regards to the Traditions and the Technocracy.
 
You know what I mean when I say preordained part. This is what I mean. Its you guys who keep pushing and pushing and simply don't stop. As I said, heaven forbid, anyone in OMage has nuance or some points to what they say. And I say this as someone who honestly like both sides. I don't like the Disparate alliance.

Everyone in OMage are utter evil and pure failures who accomplished nothing. Uber alles Traditions.

This is pretty much your guys POV.

But the fight was over. People weren't talking about it, everyone was instead talking about content, then you decided to pick a fight on it. So I guess you're the one pushing and pushing and having to have the Technocracy pure untainted heroes? Because, frankly, that's what you're doing at this point.
 
It doesn't need to; it's merely one paradigm among many.
Absolutely. Its just I have watched that show and the idea of it being made real is not appealing

Relatedly, do you know of Walter Fisher's narrative paradigm of communication? I think it will help the overall discourse of this thread with regards to the Traditions and the Technocracy.
Can we apply that as a actual paradigm in OMage. What kind of magics can come from it?

Being real do, link for explanation? Never heard of it
 
But the fight was over. People weren't talking about it, everyone was instead talking about content, then you decided to pick a fight on it.
Really? I thought the main engagement was over cause FBH is not here but that it was still continuing. And I'm simply putting my pov as an outsider here.

So I guess you're the one pushing and pushing and having to have the Technocracy pure untainted heroes? Because, frankly, that's what you're doing at this point.
Please show where I ever said that. I advocate for everyone to have multiple sides.

Saying that Traditions possibly having flaws or Technocracy having some virtue and vice versa is calling the Technocracy "untainted heroes" now apparently :rolleyes:
 
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