There are no "must have" Charms, not even the paranoia combo. You can sub in "loyal supernatural bodyguards" or "defensive artifacts" or "you never saw me" for the standard anti-assassination Charm tech.

Peori, have you forgotten that the entire point of the P-combo is that more or less almost nothing except the P-combo or something exactly like it (replicated the functions of "I don't die instantly to surprise, badtouch, extra action mote attrition or combinations of any of the above") worked?

Here's the CYOA list, for a GM running a stock Exalted 2.

a) Explicitly run opposition as completely incompetent within the system's framework of what is effective and not effective.
- Pros: Can avoid P-combat. Makes unobservant players feel like badasses.
- Cons: Very obvious. Players who use halfway competent tactics (or full up P-combat) will steamroller opposition with zero effort so must be prevented from doing so. Complete loss of game layer interest. No reason to use system. Requires GM to know system meta of what works, what doesn't.
- Conclusion: Only way this actually works is if all players including GM are system-expert tier and know explicitly what not to do in combat tactics or builds.

b) Run opposition as competent within the system's framework as best suits their position in the setting, eg, a Wyld Hunter should be good at combat, a centuries-old survivor should be good at not dying.
- Pros: Does not require unobservant players who won't notice the idiot balls being handed around liberally.
- Cons: Forces P-combat, and P-combat is terrible and boring. Can cause group-breaking "oops" TPK events if GM's ability to see what is effective is superior to group's, or GM does naive things like give earth immaculate grand goremauls or water immaculate grappling.
- Conclusion: Only way this actually works is if all players including GM are system-expert tier and know how to tune threat level of combat tactics or builds.

c) Change system so it doesn't suck donkey balls.
- Pros: Has neither problem of a) or b).
- Cons: Requires you to be game developer. You did not presumably pay White Wolf in order to write your own game system. Huge amount of work.
- Conclusion: lawl.

d) Don't use system, since it sucks donkey balls.
- Pros: Has neither problem of a) or b), or the work required for c).
- Cons: Requires you to be game developer to adapt setting to alternate system. Or requires totally onboard group for freeform writing jam with no system, which is not actually a game.
- Conclusion: Best way to do it, but note prerequisites and also note complete lack of use for system.

e) Don't play Exalted, other games provide better fun-to-effort ratio.
- Pros: Fun.
- Cons: Can't think of anything.

As usual, you seem to be posting from the position of c) or d). Most people who want to play the game are stuck with the choices of a), b) or e).

This goes exponentially more for the fact that you aren't running a game, you are writing a story. So no one is forcing you into Chungian white room optimization fights against perfectly designed murder machines.

This attitude, I am convinced, ensures that the tabletop gaming community cannot have nice things.
 
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I actually don't understand what you mean here? Do I need to explicitly say that it can only operate within dice caps? Because I well know why the caps are there.
Yep. The rules specifically say that adding successest need to be specified, otherwise it is automatically cap breaking.
Charms can increase a Lawgiver's dice pools by only an amount equal to (the relevant Attribute + Ability). No
combination of Charms can increase a Solar Exalt's dice pools by more than this amount. Charms that add automatic
successes or remove penalties do not count as increases to a dice pool unless otherwise stated.
 
Question about Loom Snarling Deception.

In the text of the charm, it says that the disguise is "perfectly immune to mundane scrutiny".

So lets say Infernal A uses Loom Snarling Deception to become a Famous Celebrities Illegitimate Daughter. Since this disguise resists all mundane scrutiny, would taking a blood test to confirm who her parent is or is not give a positive?


Is it backed by magic?
No?
I'd err on the side of 'mundane if pretty thorough scrutiny.'
Yes, this means that that same test done with a thaumaturgical procedure or done by an Exalt/supernatural being with an Excellency or something like the Solar 'my medical procedures count as magic' Charms make LSD somewhat less effective than you'd like.
 
Another question about loom snarling deception. Suppose an infernal gives himself a false destiny of "going to marry the roseblack in two weeks after a whirlwind romance." Will sidereals monitoring the roseblack's destiny in the loom of fate see this or does it only affect somebody looking at the infernal's destiny?
 
Another question about loom snarling deception. Suppose an infernal gives himself a false destiny of "going to marry the roseblack in two weeks after a whirlwind romance." Will sidereals monitoring the roseblack's destiny in the loom of fate see this or does it only affect somebody looking at the infernal's destiny?

Monitoring the Loom is hard, especially with that level of scrutiny. That said, presuming that he's actually going through with it it should register on the Roseblack's own destiny.
 
I hadn't even thought of that.

Let's crack this can of worms: Would that be considered Destiny-rape or power-assisted courtship?

First, you have to figure out whether or not LSD granted destinies count as capital D Destinies. Given that we're involving a Celestial Exalt that functions on an entirely different causality engine, it probably doesn't. Which means that it does nothing.
Second, even if it did count as a Destiny, and let's presume it's one of those Destiny-5 rating 'this will affect all of Creation' Destinies because of the extra power, all that means is that events conspire towards that preferred outcome. This means that it's easier to find the perfect gift and the perfect time to give it, the right source of inspiration will pass by at exactly the right moment you need the words and due to a communication error a table in that hotly contested high society restaurant will suddenly find itself available at exactly the moment you ask for it. It does not however mean that suddenly the Roseblack is a simpering, blushing bride waiting for her groom. Fate isn't capable of doing that, unless you maybe gave it 40 years or so to manipulate events to the point that the Roseblack would've formed such a personality out of natural causes.

So... I'd go with power assisted courting.
 
I hadn't even thought of that.

Let's crack this can of worms: Would that be considered Destiny-rape or power-assisted courtship?

It doesn't come with any memories or supporting documentation, so it would be a great way of giving away the game pretty much immediately.

Like "Roseblack's long lost son"? Maybe. "Roseblack's fiancee?" Haha. No. Not unless there is a real fiancee in a ditch somewhere.
 
You guys really seem to be overstating the charms power here...

I mean its already a bloody brilliant better then Lunar disguise charm, it doesn't need to add true reality warping to its 'from creation' self.
 
Another question about loom snarling deception. Suppose an infernal gives himself a false destiny of "going to marry the roseblack in two weeks after a whirlwind romance." Will sidereals monitoring the roseblack's destiny in the loom of fate see this or does it only affect somebody looking at the infernal's destiny?
Depends on how fast changes like that propagate through Fate.

I hadn't even thought of that.

Let's crack this can of worms: Would that be considered Destiny-rape or power-assisted courtship?
Neither. It does nothing to actually make the marriage happen, it just means that any astrological readings with sufficient detail will show that you're going to marry the Roseblack in 2 weeks.
Even if you're 3 weeks travel away.
 
Peori, have you forgotten that the entire point of the P-combo is that more or less almost nothing except the P-combo or something exactly like it (replicated the functions of "I don't die instantly to surprise, badtouch, extra action mote attrition or combinations of any of the above") worked?

Here's the CYOA list, for a GM running a stock Exalted 2.

a) Explicitly run opposition as completely incompetent within the system's framework of what is effective and not effective.
- Pros: Can avoid P-combat. Makes unobservant players feel like badasses.
- Cons: Very obvious. Players who use halfway competent tactics (or full up P-combat) will steamroller opposition with zero effort so must be prevented from doing so. Complete loss of game layer interest. No reason to use system. Requires GM to know system meta of what works, what doesn't.
- Conclusion: Only way this actually works is if all players including GM are system-expert tier and know explicitly what not to do in combat tactics or builds.

b) Run opposition as competent within the system's framework as best suits their position in the setting, eg, a Wyld Hunter should be good at combat, a centuries-old survivor should be good at not dying.
- Pros: Does not require unobservant players who won't notice the idiot balls being handed around liberally.
- Cons: Forces P-combat, and P-combat is terrible and boring. Can cause group-breaking "oops" TPK events if GM's ability to see what is effective is superior to group's, or GM does naive things like give earth immaculate grand goremauls or water immaculate grappling.
- Conclusion: Only way this actually works is if all players including GM are system-expert tier and know how to tune threat level of combat tactics or builds.

c) Change system so it doesn't suck donkey balls.
- Pros: Has neither problem of a) or b).
- Cons: Requires you to be game developer. You did not presumably pay White Wolf in order to write your own game system. Huge amount of work.
- Conclusion: lawl.

d) Don't use system, since it sucks donkey balls.
- Pros: Has neither problem of a) or b), or the work required for c).
- Cons: Requires you to be game developer to adapt setting to alternate system. Or requires totally onboard group for freeform writing jam with no system, which is not actually a game.
- Conclusion: Best way to do it, but note prerequisites and also note complete lack of use for system.

e) Don't play Exalted, other games provide better fun-to-effort ratio.
- Pros: Fun.
- Cons: Can't think of anything.

As usual, you seem to be posting from the position of c) or d). Most people who want to play the game are stuck with the choices of a), b) or e).



This attitude, I am convinced, ensures that the tabletop gaming community cannot have nice things.
Honestly? He's writing a fanfic; D sounds perfectly sensible. Or, well, it would if it weren't also a Gamer cross, but at that point the fic has, dare I say it, even bigger problems.
 
Depends on how fast changes like that propagate through Fate.


Neither. It does nothing to actually make the marriage happen, it just means that any astrological readings with sufficient detail will show that you're going to marry the Roseblack in 2 weeks.
Even if you're 3 weeks travel away.

Right. The use I was considering was was creating weird readings to bait sidereals into responding while you go do something else-all without giving any real information about yourself.
 
Another question about loom snarling deception. Suppose an infernal gives himself a false destiny of "going to marry the roseblack in two weeks after a whirlwind romance." Will sidereals monitoring the roseblack's destiny in the loom of fate see this or does it only affect somebody looking at the infernal's destiny?
MoEP:Infernals said:
any astrological reading of the character's destiny provides whatever information the character chose to include in the false fate at the time of its creation.
It's pretty clearly the latter. It only affects itself.

You guys really seem to be overstating the charms power here...

I mean its already a bloody brilliant better then Lunar disguise charm
That's more a matter of Lunars being terrible. Solars have had Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise, which is roughly equivalent, since original core book.
 
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Guys, I need some advice. My friends, who have heard of but never played Exalted, manage to convince/bribe me into running a chronicle and left me with the work. I get free food and beer, so might as well put some effort into hacking the system into something that works for us, taking inspiration from multiple sources, as well as Kerisgame of @Aleph and @EarthScorpion.

My problem comes from one of my friends displayed interest in the Scourge Caste, and asked me what is Adorjan's shtick. It caused me some problems in explaining since my mental construct of Adorjan is a Kill Happy Nihilistic Buddhist Yandere which is most likely incorrect. Can anyone help enlighten my friend and I on the nature of the Silent Wind?
 
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