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Dragon Ball: Days of Future Past (Dead)

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The Fourth Monado said:
The forest was green on his home planet. Honestly, for all the comforts and stuff of the cities, Vegal much preferred the forests of the emerald Kingdom that covered a good 25% of the planet. It was easy to tell why this place was called the Emerald Kingdom.

Through trees and over grassy plains Vegal flew, close to the ground. With the wind dancing on his skin and great Feers overhead, Vegal flew. Away from all the anxiety, stress and secrets of his life, Vegal flew.

He flew and he flew, until a gleam of pinkish-blue light caught his eye, gleaming from a mountaintop. Curiously, he angled his flight toward it and found himself above icy crags and bare rock. It was Mount Goten, the fourth-tallest mountain on the planet. And on a crag just below the very tip of the mountain, Vegal saw it.

Driven deep into the bare rock was a sword, but what a sword it was. A simple hand-and-a-half sword, the pommel gleamed a curious mix of pink and blue, and the guard was a simple bronze affair slightly bent toward the tip. Though most of the blade was embedded out of sight, Vegal could feel a sense of... realness, he could say, from the sword. Like it was just there more than other things. Curiously he stepped forward, hand already raised to touch it...

"Wait, what? Who are- No..."

Spinning around, Vegal saw what at first glance looked like a little, blond-haired girl gaping at him, before he saw what she really was and everything shattered and twisted-

-[-0-]-

Vegal snapped awake, and heavily resisted the urge to jerk up. Instead, he just lay on his bunk, forcing his heartrate and breathing to calm, and mused on what he Saw... and what he'd Seen.

Soon, he promised himself. Soon they'll come for me. I'll be out of this place.

Soon.
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Mm, delicious foreshadowing. So, is Vegal a Seer or something? And what's that sword?

KnightDisciple said:
@PoptartProdigy , @The Fourth Monado , I'm invoking Bassoon's rather extensive studies as a historian and archeologist. While he won't have point-for-point recollection of what all is "supposed" to happen, he can speak to things like "there was some kind of conflict, the planet itself died, but Saiyans survived), yes? He could give rough estimates of how many survived, where they went, what happened to the colonies, etc., yes?
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You know the point-for-point on what needs to happen, to whit:
  • Carrak and the King fight (met)
  • The King starts losing and has a panicked transformation (met)
  • The King dies (met)
  • Carrak dies (not met)
  • The planet explodes (not met)
  • The rest of the gods, having returned upon sensing the fight, also die (not met)
Technically speaking, history can muddle along with just that (at least, this has been the product of my PM's with Nat thus far; if that's changed, lemme know). While everybody on the homeworld died in history, only the King and the gods are "important" enough for Time to put up a fuss over their survival. Even means and ways are ultimately unimportant; the King is dead is the King is dead, regardless of the fact that the cause was meant to be asphyxiation and not ki blast.
 
The Fourth Monado said:
*looks at what was supposed to happen*

...Pretty sure everyone on-planet died.
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PoptartProdigy said:
Mm, delicious foreshadowing. So, is Vegal a Seer or something? And what's that sword?



You know the point-for-point on what needs to happen, to whit:
  • Carrak and the King fight (met)
  • The King starts losing and has a panicked transformation (met)
  • The King dies (met)
  • Carrak dies (not met)
  • The planet explodes (not met)
  • The rest of the gods, having returned upon sensing the fight, also die (not met)
Technically speaking, history can muddle along with just that (at least, this has been the product of my PM's with Nat thus far; if that's changed, lemme know). While everybody on the homeworld died in history, only the King and the gods are "important" enough for Time to put up a fuss over their survival. Even means and ways are ultimately unimportant; the King is dead is the King is dead, regardless of the fact that the cause was meant to be asphyxiation and not ki blast.
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Hm. So, Saiyans, as a species, survived because the Saiyan Kingdom/Empire had off-world colonies, which provided enough of a population base to start over.
Reasonable extrapolation is that they likely all tried to unite together and claim a new homeworld, which ended up being Planet Plant, but the process of surviving all of the major issues tied into "the majority of our population, leadership, scientists, resources, etc. died suddenly" means they regressed both technologically and socially, to, basically, a near-barbarian state.

Is that all fairly on-target, or am I veering too much?

Also, can Bassoon detect if the people that were led into the shelter, the ones he and Richard escorted, are dead or not?

(I'll be heading home from work soon and probalby not posting much for a bit after that between transit home, workout, and settling down, but after that can post for a while tonight.)

Finally, could Bassoon, using his basic intellect, common sense, and knowledge as a historian, extrapolate a few possible/likely scenarios of what might happen if none of the unmet conditions are met, vis-a-vis the Saiyan people, the galaxy as a whole, and the universe?
Obviously there's all the worries of time going wobbly before it goes wibbly, and whimey before it goes timey, and then BAM NONEXISTENCE. But I want to make it more concrete for them, if possible.

As well, would it be reasonable for him to instead suggest to the Saiyan Gods (that is, the Mortal Saiyans who are in front of him having achieved Divine Ki) that they could pseudo-fulfill the "requirements" by instead going into permanent exile? (If the answer is "no", it's "no", just thought I'd ask.)


Like I said, just trying to craft the proper response, just need help because Bassoon knows more about the history involve here than I do (especially since y'all are kind of crafting some of it yourselves, which is fine).
 
KnightDisciple said:
Hm. So, Saiyans, as a species, survived because the Saiyan Kingdom/Empire had off-world colonies, which provided enough of a population base to start over.
Reasonable extrapolation is that they likely all tried to unite together and claim a new homeworld, which ended up being Planet Plant, but the process of surviving all of the major issues tied into "the majority of our population, leadership, scientists, resources, etc. died suddenly" means they regressed both technologically and socially, to, basically, a near-barbarian state.

Is that all fairly on-target, or am I veering too much?

Also, can Bassoon detect if the people that were led into the shelter, the ones he and Richard escorted, are dead or not?

(I'll be heading home from work soon and probalby not posting much for a bit after that between transit home, workout, and settling down, but after that can post for a while tonight.)

Finally, could Bassoon, using his basic intellect, common sense, and knowledge as a historian, extrapolate a few possible/likely scenarios of what might happen if none of the unmet conditions are met, vis-a-vis the Saiyan people, the galaxy as a whole, and the universe?
Obviously there's all the worries of time going wobbly before it goes wibbly, and whimey before it goes timey, and then BAM NONEXISTENCE. But I want to make it more concrete for them, if possible.

As well, would it be reasonable for him to instead suggest to the Saiyan Gods (that is, the Mortal Saiyans who are in front of him having achieved Divine Ki) that they could pseudo-fulfill the "requirements" by instead going into permanent exile? (If the answer is "no", it's "no", just thought I'd ask.)


Like I said, just trying to craft the proper response, just need help because Bassoon knows more about the history involve here than I do (especially since y'all are kind of crafting some of it yourselves, which is fine).
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In order:

Nat's world, so his question to answer, but that would be my assumption.

You cannot. Ki shielding.

(Gotcha.)

You probably could. Given what you know of the whole BAM NONEXISTENCE thing it's a rather academic question, but it'd be an interesting thought exercise. Probably would result in a more advanced and centralized saiyan people overall. Their dominion over the galaxy would likely recede, but they're saiyans, so they could build it back up again.

Nope.

Lunaryon said:
... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING
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That's alright.

Neither do we. ;)
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Verde stares at you all. "Yes, Patrollers, tell him what you plan to do, before you leave. Go on; I'll fact check."
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"Well right now we are going to ensure you take up jobs in the divine administration, where you can work to prevent this from happening on a galactic level. Since our planet destroyer walked out, we will find any survivors and evacuate them to one of the colonies, where they can began a new life untainted from the corruption that seeped into here. Then we shall prevent it from spreading by nuking it into nonexistence."
 
Bassoon is missing one possible solution.

They don't actually have to be dead... just gone to never affect that timeline again.
 
Sucal said:
Bassoon is missing one possible solution.

They don't actually have to be dead... just gone to never affect that timeline again.
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I asked @The Fourth Monado and @PoptartProdigy if they could simply go into a sort of exile, just a couple posts above. Poptart said "nope" to that. So I guess they could "ascend", but the only way that I know of to do that is to die as a Mortal with access to Divine Ki. Only then do you fully become a God, according to the worldbuilding they've both presented.

I mean, I guess they could just somehow teleport themselves to the Afterlife without technically dying, but then they'd end up dying of old age there, or being "ascended" while there, and either way they end up as Gods who can't affect the Universe again, not really.
 
KnightDisciple said:
I asked @The Fourth Monado and @PoptartProdigy if they could simply go into a sort of exile, just a couple posts above. Poptart said "nope" to that. So I guess they could "ascend", but the only way that I know of to do that is to die as a Mortal with access to Divine Ki. Only then do you fully become a God, according to the worldbuilding they've both presented.

I mean, I guess they could just somehow teleport themselves to the Afterlife without technically dying, but then they'd end up dying of old age there, or being "ascended" while there, and either way they end up as Gods who can't affect the Universe again, not really.
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They never technically answered that particular question.

Though I just realized the lack of them taking a proper divine office could also cause issues to the timeline.

Admittedly they could take them to a vacation planet for a few years, and return them 'home' when its time to pass on.
 
KnightDisciple said:
"I will not order you, tell you, to do anything. I don't feel I have the right. But I will put forth that, to keep all those who survived today alive, to make sure they continue to exist, that your people continue to exist, you six have to die with this planet. All other Saiyans...they could survive. They are the pebbles in the river. You all, and this planet, are the dam."

He opens his eyes, sorrow shining out from them.

"I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. But I couldn't lie to you. Not about this."
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And that, my friend, appears to be Jaffur's recruitment strategy. I have no idea what the backstories of Jennifer, Richard, Gerrin, and Cryostis are, but Vegal should be dead, and Jaffur should be Sealed. It appears that Verde is amassing time's "rejects," the people who fate cruelly decreed should be killed or broken, often through no fault of their own, and assembling a force that attempts to change time for the better, regardless of the consequences.

The gods don't have to die here. They can just go join the Verdes! Which is why I think that Verde put all of this effort into convincing them that we're evil and misguided: He wants the Saiyan gods on his side. And frankly, who wouldn't?

@PoptartProdigy @The Fourth Monado, is this theory in any way accurate?
 
Genon said:
The gods don't have to die here. They can just go join the Verdes! Which is why I think that Verde put all of this effort into convincing them that we're evil and misguided: He wants the Saiyan gods on his side. And frankly, who wouldn't?
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You forgot the part where he potentially set up the entire situation to do so!
 
Genon said:
And that, my friend, appears to be Jaffur's recruitment strategy. I have no idea what the backstories of Jennifer, Richard, Gerrin, and Cryostis are, but Vegal should be dead, and Jaffur should be Sealed. It appears that Verde is amassing time's "rejects," the people who fate cruelly decreed should be killed or broken, often through no fault of their own, and assembling a force that attempts to change time for the better, regardless of the consequences.

The gods don't have to die here. They can just go join the Verdes! Which is why I think that Verde put all of this effort into convincing them that we're evil and misguided: He wants the Saiyan gods on his side. And frankly, who wouldn't?

@PoptartProdigy @The Fourth Monado, is this theory in any way accurate?
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It's certainly interesting.

The truth... that, my friend, can wait. ;)
 
Genon said:
Wait...I just realized something.

If the Gods join the TIme Patrol and never enter their timeline again, they effectively count as being removed from the timeline, unable to alter it except to fix it. Is this an option?
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o_O

Reminder that Time Patrollers can, at any time, go back to their own timelines and Chronoa can't stop them.

So no. Not an option.
 
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