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Gindjurra said:
In the past, whoever was in charge of colonization and rannochforming certainly knew. They had half a dozen colonies and none of them were dying of auto-immune problems. But if none of the people aware of the problem survived, it might mean the survivors left without any of the crucial plants. Even if they learned of the problem later, they might not have been able to go back for what they needed.

And that assumes everyone involved was rational. What if the majority of survivors were the Quarian equivalent of anti-vaxxers?
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I could easily imagine that the Geth would be blamed for the Quarian health problems by a lot of them...
 
GeshronTyler said:
Lol, the Alphabet Soup are just going to watch the Prime Asset waltz off into a (proven) hostile galaxy in a parallel universe, and just shrug their shoulders? 🤣 No, I really really really think that "The President and everyone" are absolutely not okay with the golden goose waltzing into a very risky situation. They just can't stop her.
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I can't recall if it was bonus content or not at the time in happened, but the observation was accurate enough.

You don't control somebody like the Prime Asset. You act as friendly as possible and pray they cooperate.

Telling her 'no' is a just a great way to make sure she applies the same kind of frightening intellect that builds superconductors in a weekend, to dodging your oversight. The best case scenario is that they ignore you and do what they want anyway, the worst is they decide you're no fun and stop cooperating with you. She built an interdimensional galactic range transporter out of shit in her basement, then told an alien how to build same out of random shit from a derelict, in a time frame short enough to rescue said alien from said derelict. The communication breakthrough to allow for that is impressive never mind the actual tech.

Taylor's effective budget is 'all of it' because the US government knows damn well her first invention alone is worth all the money ever, never mind the rest of the stuff she keeps coming up with.

For the same reason you think the Alphabet Soup wouldn't let her wander away, (how awesome she is) they also don't dare stop her. You can't risk making her an enemy. Or even indifferent. The only thing worse than her pulling a Stark and deciding to keep all her toys would be shopping around for another country that would let her do what she wanted in exchange for those toys. Which would be ALL OF THEM.

So yea, there's weapons and shields on the ship, they'll send an escort, but a happy super genius is one that invents more stuff, so if she says she wants to go? Go it is.

Plus she doesn't actually work for any of them, so authority is questionable. Sure you could scream national security to justify just about anything, but again, unhappy super genius bad.
 
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Y'know, people ought to remember that the Migrant Fleet is for the most part descended from the Quarians that were fine with their own kind being killed because they dared to defend Geth rights to exist.
Like, from what we know of the Morning War, the Quarian government went down really damn hardcore on Geth sympathizers. And since I could certainly see a lot of the science types to actually oppose literal genocide...
Yeah. My money's on all the health problems modern day Quarians suffer from are stuff they simply forgot/lost the solutions to.
 
karloss99 said:
Y'know, people ought to remember that the Migrant Fleet is for the most part descended from the Quarians that were fine with their own kind being killed because they dared to defend Geth rights to exist.
Like, from what we know of the Morning War, the Quarian government went down really damn hardcore on Geth sympathizers. And since I could certainly see a lot of the science types to actually oppose literal genocide...
Yeah. My money's on all the health problems modern day Quarians suffer from are stuff they simply forgot/lost the solutions to.
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Oh, right. The surviving Quarians are the descendants of the same kind of people that refuse to wear masks because it infringes their freedom. That explains a lot.
 
We really don't want to see what Quarian Facebook looks like do we? I mean if only the crazies on Facebook survived some disaster and was supposed to restart civilization I don't know if what the results would be could be called civilised.
 
While the whole thing about the Quarians being the descendants of antimaskers is amusing, there's a more serious thing to think about there:

The Migrant Fleet is all that was left of the orbital assets of the Quarian Military. They were given an order to retreat / flee, or the surviving highest authority aboard the fleet did, abandoning their homeworld when attempting to genocide the geth didn't work. These are people who lived and worked aboard starships and shipyards, whoever managed to make it offworld in time (due to being hyper-paranoid about the geth to begin with, to take the early signs of a robot apocalypse and flee screaming into space), and the worst parts of the quarian military, because they turned their guns on THEIR OWN HOMEWORLD'S STILL POPULATED CITIES in an attempt to slow the "geth infestation" long enough for them to escape.

Ruthless, cold, calculating paranoids who treated everything related to the geth as an unholy abomination. These sorts of people are hardly those who are going to be making good long-term descisions about their species' survival. Short-term ones, sure. The fact that the migrant fleet is even -here- is testament to their ability to keep their people alive. But the ones who really knew things, had in-depth specialist knowledge, were most likely the ones who were trying to protest the culling of the Geth, the ones that the military GUNNED DOWN when they protested the military trying to kill their household robots.

So yeah, the quarians not really knowing much about their own biology makes sense. They probably lost centuries, if not millenia, of accumulated medical information during the Geth Uprising / Morning War.
 
Humanity wins! Friendship! ...Friendship?!

Anyway, does this mean we're finally going to be back to the actual main story that is pretty much neglected for... how long have we been watching Taytay and Tali's adventure?
 
Vyrexuviel said:
So yeah, the quarians not really knowing much about their own biology makes sense. They probably lost centuries, if not millenia, of accumulated medical information during the Geth Uprising / Morning War.
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This is a valid point. Military ships and troop transports would have been the bulk of the Migrant Fleet's ships, and onboard ships' databases would have been skewed heavily towards combat medical data instead long-term survival information. And they couldn't risk grabbing a download of any homeworld databases before bugging out because of the fear of Geth programs hitching a ride on the uplink. So the only source of information would be whatever fully-qualified doctors were in the Fleet, and with the pressure to keep everyone alive I could see small bits of "everyone knows this" data being skipped when they started creating fresh databases for training future medical personnel.
 
Trufla said:
This is a valid point. Military ships and troop transports would have been the bulk of the Migrant Fleet's ships, and onboard ships' databases would have been skewed heavily towards combat medical data instead long-term survival information. And they couldn't risk grabbing a download of any homeworld databases before bugging out because of the fear of Geth programs hitching a ride on the uplink. So the only source of information would be whatever fully-qualified doctors were in the Fleet, and with the pressure to keep everyone alive I could see small bits of "everyone knows this" data being skipped when they started creating fresh databases for training future medical personnel.
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I'm not sure it would be so clean cut. There was probably some skew towards military ships and data, but I imagine there was a higher number of civilian vehicles and population that escaped than I think you're imagining. I'd guess the evacuation of Rannoch was a high priority when the Quarians finally yielded the planet. Not to mention, some portion of the military at the time likely attempted to delay the Geth from following when the Quarians finally lost the war. More impactful on the Quarian's collective knowledge would probably be the fact that 99% of their population was dead.
 
Pre-war field manuals are the most precious resource imaginable to the Quarians. The rumour of a cache containing but a single health and safety pamphlet warrants full fleet mobilisation.

In the future first contact with Earth will be remembered not for the medical miracles performed or the technological advances but for Danny's donation of a complete OSHA library to the Fleet.
 
Well it does bring to mind that thanks to Taylor they would have complete access to all that knowledge. Since they have access to a parallel that does have the Quarians, or at least a close analog, on their own home planet. Sure, not all of the small details would match, but its enough to help figure out large chunks of missing information. Combine that with the Geth likely preserving as much as they could, even with the bombing/destruction, it would be enough to get a large chunk of 'lost' knowledge to be preserved/saved/restored.

There is also the possibility that there were Quarians who survived the fleeing of Rannoch, that were left behind. Just hiding in bunkers, or in some sort of cryosleep/comas. Just either unable or unwilling to talk to the Geth, but also not trusting the ones who just abandoned Rannoch after bombing it. Which leaves the likelyhood that interacting with the Geth means they're 'obviously' traitors to the seemingly military coup.

Although typing that up does make me think of a different way things could have gone; Where instead of successfully bombing and destroying much of anything, due to proper defenses versus panicked reactions, the non-military leaders are able to either get saner parts of their fleet to take charge, or a cry for help to the Council that their fleet is seemingly taken over by pirates, or something since they're just bombing the Quarian homeworld.

For even more misunderstanding shenanigans, maybe the 'proof of rogue Geth' in the whole 'Does this unit have a soul?' question, was actually a programmed response as part of a Quarian writer's fictional show that they were writing/starting to film. A philosophical story. And after everything shakes down, there are constant jokes at the expense of the overreactors. Recurring comments about how their 'intelligence department' uses movie night as the most accurate source of information.
 
ForwardRewind said:
There is also the possibility that there were Quarians who survived the fleeing of Rannoch, that were left behind. Just hiding in bunkers, or in some sort of cryosleep/comas. Just either unable or unwilling to talk to the Geth, but also not trusting the ones who just abandoned Rannoch after bombing it. Which leaves the likelyhood that interacting with the Geth means they're 'obviously' traitors to the seemingly military coup.
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If you wanted to go really left-field, how about a good number of Quarians escaping from Rannoch though a one-way for physical matter, temporary, dimensional portal?

A BOB by the name of 'Truck-kun' might be one candidate to have done this...

Just in case... A 'BOB' is a 'Benevolent Omnipotent Being', as opposed to a 'ROB', which is a 'Random Omnipotent Being'. ROBs are beloved as the initiating force as used by CYOA/SI story authors, though they can occur in other contexts. They may also be summed-up as, "Now stop asking questions, 'a wizard did it' ".

View: https://youtu.be/sVgVB3qsySQ
 
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Trufla said:
I could see small bits of "everyone knows this" data being skipped when they started creating fresh databases for training future medical personnel.
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You don't need some disaster for doctors to forget such things. My doctor "forgot" to mention that I should take mineral supplements when I got a medicine that would remove excess cerebral fluid from my head because "everyone knows" you have to eat supplements when eating a medicine that removes water from your body. Any medicine that drives out water also depletes minerals that are dissolved in water so you get mineral deficiency problems.

I really didn't know this, neither did any lay person I spoke to or most nurses. But most doctors knew so of course "everybody" knew.

Got my first kidney stone (and most of the ones that came after it) due to this oversight, seems magnesium in particular is important in the regulation of how calcium is distributed in your body and if you are deficient in magnesium calcium and other minerals have a tendency to accumulate in soft tissues, such as your kidneys, where they form the basis for stones.
 
Mineral deficiencies can cause some absolutely horrendous problems, often very subtle to begin with. So yeah, I could see this being at least part of their problem.

Luckily The Amy (Version TAY/ADMN/1.0) is on hand and capable of accounting for that :D
 
mp3.1415player said:
Mineral deficiencies can cause some absolutely horrendous problems, often very subtle to begin with. So yeah, I could see this being at least part of their problem.

Luckily The Amy (Version TAY/ADMN/1.0) is on hand and capable of accounting for that :D
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I'd be interested in the logic behind that versioning system for The Amy...

For... reasons :)
 
mp3.1415player said:
"Both are fairly unlikely, I think," Tali put in. "My work should be good for at least another two months, and the chances of anyone coming looking for the Klaatu are not high. Not zero, but if they were going to look for it, they'd probably have done it before Taylor rescued me." She shrugged. "But I really have no idea if anyone other than Taylor detected my beacon, so who knows?"
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i just got this weird idea for an omake of sorts. Tali's distress beacon went alot farther than just Taylor and at the final battle when its just the Normedy vs the entire reaper army and all seems lost a signal comes in. just one from a small blue box "GIRONIMO!" then another "obsidion squad enroute" and another "edf responding to emergency distress becon" "green lantern of sector 2947" "enterprise" "solifol" "red one" and so on as more and more ships, stations, and heros drop out of subspace into a battle that was thought lost...all thanks to Tali's original beacon stretching across the multiverse and beyond.
 
Frankly, just the first one would be more than enough. Aaaaaand now I'm picturing what would happen once the Doctor and Taylor met. Just imagine what she could do if she had access to the TARDIS...
 
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