The Young Eagle - A Napoleon Quest
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[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree
[X] Talk tactics with some of the generals
[X] Partially Agree
[X] Talk tactics with some of the generals
- Location
- Where beer flows and men chunder
@CMY187
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I wouldn't say that entirely. Napoleon's invasion had a huge impact on Middle Eastern thought going onwards. If it wasn't for 19th Century colonialism and its ideology of dictating how indigenous people should think, I think revolutionary thought might have gestated even further in the region.
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Without a doubt both the stupidest and most evil thing he ever did. And he compounded his mistake by sending probably the most racist man in the French army to lead the operation.
There's the Hornblower series with Ioann Gruffyd, Master and Commander (Of course), Black Sails is far from accurate, but still pretty good if you can get past the pretty shaky first season. Yeah, though, I can't think of much beyond that.
I didn't write the scene because of you - but I'd be lying if I said your hatred of Talleyrand wasn't on my mind when I wrote it.
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[X] Spend some time with Davout
[x] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[x] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
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- Location
- Over the next hill.
[X] Spend some time with Davout
He's in charge of the best corp in the Army of the North. I should know, I put him there.
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
More charm! Less awkward.
He's in charge of the best corp in the Army of the North. I should know, I put him there.
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
More charm! Less awkward.
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Do some more work with the Lavoisiers (Small Intelligence Boost)
@Tjf will we gain a trait if our int becomes 30?
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Do some more work with the Lavoisiers (Small Intelligence Boost)
@Tjf will we gain a trait if our int becomes 30?
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Agree
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Agree
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
I forgot to reply to this before, just wanted to say it doesn't have to be that crazy, historical Napoleon supposedly lost his virginity to a prostitute around 17 (famously retold in writing by him), and even socially awkward, Napoleon with poor french skills learned to sharpen his social skills after graduating and becoming an officer at a young age while serving at his first posting as a young artillery officer at Valence.
In a garrison city like Valence, officers, even at seventeen, were among the ornaments of local society. Napoleon appeared at the homes of Mme du Colombier and the Abbé Saint-Ruf, at balls, on excursions into the countryside, and so on.
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Immersed in a society where women had such an advantageous place, Napoleon himself grew more polished: he acquired manners
and, to learn those he still lacked, he took lessons in dancing and deportment. He completed his education in the salons of Valence. Later on he recognized the importance of this period in his life, always recalling it with emotion, perhaps because it was at that time that he had his first love affairs. He had discovered a new world.
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Immersed in a society where women had such an advantageous place, Napoleon himself grew more polished: he acquired manners
and, to learn those he still lacked, he took lessons in dancing and deportment. He completed his education in the salons of Valence. Later on he recognized the importance of this period in his life, always recalling it with emotion, perhaps because it was at that time that he had his first love affairs. He had discovered a new world.
By all accounts this takes place before most of the quest began (time skip to begin in the national guard), so I can totally buy Napoleon having gone through something similar and having some social competency, which comes down to understanding the norms and rituals of social pleasantries of that era.
Incidentally, Bonaparte: 1769–1802 by Gueniffey is a fantastic book if you havn't read it Tjf, it's about 800 pages dedicated solely to the life and context of Napoleon's life around the era in which this quest is set. So it's as long as something like Andrew Roberts which is a biography dedicated to his entire life, but instead up to just 1802. You can imagine it's got a lot of fun details that usually gets glossed over!
Anyway, to the actual update:
Lots of famous people, fun. Also, it's infamous OTL regicide Fouche and eternal backstabber/survivor. If there were two people that should have been shot in 1809 after Napoleon returned from Spain to deal with Fouche and Talleyrands conspiracy to replace him with Murat as ruler, it was these two.
For a military genius we actually have really low Valor, so I figure that's good to increase (even if we have a lot of other military bonuses).
As for the egalitarian views, while not a popular viewpoint from a modern perspective, Napoleon comes from one of the most conservative parts of France, and I havn't seen much to see him dispel those views yet. He seemed to, as is often the case, display a great distinction between his treatment of women in his personal life and the role of women in greater society. Though his conservatism was still more liberal than what was before the revolution.
Even if his family in specific is matriarchical with his mother being in charge during his childhood, he did receive frequent beatings from her for his various hijinks... And I figure the horrific murder of the Swiss guards in Paris not too many posts ago would still be in his memory, the behavior of "revolutionary" women seemed to traumatize him a bit maybe?
Never since has any of my battlefields given me such an image of dead bodies as the masses of Swiss guards presented to me, whether because the smallness of the space emphasized their number, or because it was the result of the first impression of this kind I felt. I saw well-dressed women behave with the greatest indecency on the bodies of the Swiss guards.I made the rounds of all the cafés in the neighborhood of the Assembly: everywhere the anger was extreme; rage was in every heart, it was seen on every face, even though these were not at all people of the common kind.
Happy to be outvoted by others if they find it tough to stand such an outmoded and chauvinistic view. Though it would be cool to go through some character development through interactions, like meeting the Fernig sisters, female hussars, if they are still around at this point.
[X] Spend some time with Moreau
[X] Disagree: Women belong in the home - end of story. Some increased liberties for women might be justified, but acting like men and women are equal is stupid and dangerous.
[X] Talk tactics with some of the generals (Small Valor boost)
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[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
- Location
- Roma Invicta
Not to menton the fact, that he sent his demoralized Polish Legions to Haiti to quel the uprising, which have outlived their usefulness after the peace of Lunéville with Austria, since it didn't bring freedom to Poland. The vast majority of soldiers perished or joined the insurgents (they were the only white men permitted to remain on the island after the Haitian victory, proclaimed the "honourary white Negroes of Europe")
Fun fact: among those soldiers was general Władysław Jabłonowski, another Polish and French general of African descent, besides Dumas.
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Napoelon in OTL in this time period, would've reduced to a stammering and blushing boy if he had been in this situation, and his opinions on women in OTL... well let's just say they were wild.
"Women are not strong and have no place on the battlefield! Yet those with fire in their eyes and heart make my knees go weak! What are you all looking at me for?!"
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Address a group of socialites asking you about Sardinia (Small Charisma Boost)
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Address a group of socialites asking you about Sardinia (Small Charisma Boost)
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree
[X] Talk tactics with some of the generals
[X] Partially Agree
[X] Talk tactics with some of the generals
- Location
- 47° 09′ S, 126° 43′ O
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Talk tactics with some of the gener
[X] Talk tactics with some of the gener
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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- He/Him
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Address a group of socialites asking you about Sardinia (Small Charisma Boost)
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Address a group of socialites asking you about Sardinia (Small Charisma Boost)
PrognosticHannya
Far Too Enthusiastic About Etymology
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
[X] Partially Agree: Ultimately, you believe that women are inherently equal or nearly equal to men in intellect. That said, you doubt society is ready for such a radical change as full equality.
- Location
- Second French Empire
[X] Oh Bonaparte, You Charmer
-[X] Spend some time with Davout
-[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
-[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
We are revolutionaries are we not? To leave woman shackled to the house would be an affront to their support and role in the revolution. Such a injustice must be righted.
-[X] Spend some time with Davout
-[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
-[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
We are revolutionaries are we not? To leave woman shackled to the house would be an affront to their support and role in the revolution. Such a injustice must be righted.
Gotta maintain Napoleon's reputation as a true, pure, ardent republican; a man who believes so much in the ideals of Liberte that he strictly forbid his men from looting in Sardinia.
Though now that I think of it, it might cause problems/issues later in the Armee Du Nord if Napoleon is regarded as a person who would strongly oppose the practice of living off the land.
Well, him being the Chief-of-Staff, it will be his job to ensure that the army is well-fed and supplied.
- Location
- France
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
I don't know for the rest but that one need some real support
I don't know for the rest but that one need some real support
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Spend some time with Davout
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)
[X] Agree: The revolution was intended to free all of France, not just half of it. In your experience there is no difference in the intelligence of women, nor in their character, from men. It could be argued this revolution wouldn't have happened if not for them - it was women, not men, who marched on Versailles, after all. Women deserve to enjoy all the same rights - including suffrage - as men.
[X] Make small talk with someone (Small Charm Boost)