The American Experiment (Riot Quest)

Voting is open
In that case here is a vote of the current leading plan with that added onto the end.

[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
The main two plans are

[x][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[x] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[x] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority

Minority +3.5, Anarchist +3, Revolutionary Socialist +2.5, social democrat +1, statist -1, Constitutionalist -2.5

X2.25 voting modifier

And

[x][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[x] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[x] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
Minority +2.5, Anarchist +3, Revolutionary Socialist +2, social democrat +1, statist -1, Constitutionalist -1.5

X2.15 voting modifier


Nothing else has more than a single vote so I will not be counting all that up. I will add those to this post if they get more votes. The only difference between the top two plans is right to citizenship on request by residency.
 
[x][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government.
-[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia.
-[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner.
-[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure.
-[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation.
--[x] with the exception of the private property part.
-[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel.
-[x] Right of trial by jury.
-[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments.
-[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here.
-[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime.
--[x] Including as a punishment for a crime.
-[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process.
-[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.
-[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income.
-[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split.
-[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request.
-[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English.
-[x] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process.
-[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
Does citizenship come with both rights and responsibilities or is it a straight upgrade with no downsides? Because if it's just a straight upgrade and it can be just requested and granted immediately, we might as well just hand it out at the border and make it an opt-out process.
Like a free subscription or something.
Also, are we allowing dual citizenship?
 
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Does citizenship come with both rights and responsibilities or is it a straight upgrade with no downsides? Because if it's just a straight upgrade and it can be just requested and granted immediately, we might as well just hand it out at the border and make it an opt-out process.
Like a free subscription or something.
Also, are we allowing dual citizenship?
Both are for Congress to decide, really, making policies about "residents" vs "citizens". Right now citizens are required to join jury duty, sign up for the draft, etc. Dual citizenship is generally not currently a thing, but it varies by country. Which, also, make automatically handing out citizenship and international relations problem.
 
[X][bill] No bill of rights.

There shouldn't be a "bill of rights", this is nothing more than archaic bourgeois nonsense.
 
[x][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government.
-[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia.
-[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner.
-[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure.
-[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of personal property without compensation.
-[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel.
-[x] Right of trial by jury.
-[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments.
-[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here.
-[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime.
--[x] Including as a punishment for a crime.
-[x] Citizenship by residence, right to due process.
-[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.
-[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income.
-[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split.
-[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request
 
[] Nobody gets any rights, only what privileges the state deigns to allow them.
this is the case already. there is an inherent tension in the ideology of human rights - they are outcomes of a particular configuration of political circumstances, not anything essential to human existence. that means they only manifest materially when they are actively granted(read: enforced) by a state - rights are not separate from the state and its monopoly on force but in fact inexorably and irreducibly linked to it.

what we're actually doing by drafting a bill of rights is, yes, determining which rights we want the state to enforce, not reading the entrails of a dove to determine which ones are a fixture of human nature or whatever. a more honest way to phrase the question is not 'which rights exist?' which is nonsense, because as we just established rights only exist at all when they are established, but 'which political outcomes do we want our conception of rights to enable?'
 
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[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
 
[X][bill] The bill of rights should include
-[X] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
-[X] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
-[X] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
--[X] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
-[X] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
--[X] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
-[X] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
-[X] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
-[X] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
-[X] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
-[X] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
-[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.

We're going to brain drain the world to death until everyone is American :V
 
Yes, this is valid.

-[] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
Speaking of people moving to America. Are we going to get an update on any new immigrants not from Europe, but like Mexico, Asia and Africa? Like it would be interesting to see how we'd balance a progressive policy without upsetting ethnic relations. Like having a Nigerian or a Chinese family in Utah?
 
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Speaking of people moving to America. Are we going to get an update on any new immigrants not from Europe, but like Mexico, Asia and Africa? Like it would be interesting to see how we'd balance a progressive policy without upsetting ethnic tensions. Like having a Nigerian or a Chinese family in Utah?
Yeah I'll mention stuff about that at some point. In particular I think I've mentioned in updates that Asian immigration to the west coast has increased a lot since all restrictions have ended. African and Mexican immigration has always been legal but small. That may increase as discriminatory policies are taken away, but iirc Africa did not have a large amount of emigration during this period.
 
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    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    --[x] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
    -[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
    -[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
    -[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
    -[X] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process. -1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +1 minority
    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    --[x] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
    -[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
    -[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist
    -[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English. +1 minority, -1 constitutionalist.
    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government.
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of personal property without compensation.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime.
    -[x] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process.
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income.
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split.
    -[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request.
    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government. +1 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia. +1 constitutionalist, +1 anarchist.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation. +0.5 constitutionalist.
    --[x] with the exception of the private property part. -0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime. +1 constitutionalist, +1 revolutionary socialist.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime. +2 minority, +1 anarchist, -1 statist
    -[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process. +0.5 constitutionalist, +0.5 revolutionary socialist, +0.5 minority
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday. +1 revolutionary socialist, +1 social democrat
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income. +1 revolutionary socialist, -1 constitutionalist
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. +1 anarchist
    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government.
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of private property without compensation.
    --[x] with the exception of the private property part.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime.
    -[x] Citizenship by birth, right to due process.
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income.
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split.
    -[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request.
    -[x] Public schools are required to be taught in local languages as well as English.
    -[x] Right to citizenship on demand by residents, right to due process.
    -[X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
    [X][bill] No bill of rights.
    [x][bill] The bill of rights should include
    -[x] Freedom of religion, speech, the press, to assemble, and to petition the government.
    -[x] The right to bear arms and form a militia.
    -[x] No soldier may be quartered in private homes without the permission of the owner.
    -[x] Right against unreasonable search and seizure.
    -[x] Right to due process, grand jury for criminal indictments, no double jeopardy, no self-incrimination, no seizure of personal property without compensation.
    -[x] Right to a speedy and public trial, impartial jury, informed of criminal charges, to confront witnesses, to compel witnesses to appear in court, to assistance of counsel.
    -[x] Right of trial by jury.
    -[x] Right to no excessive bail or fines, no cruel or unusual punishments.
    -[x] Statement of there being more rights than listed here.
    -[x] Outlaw slavery and involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime.
    --[x] Including as a punishment for a crime.
    -[x] Citizenship by residence, right to due process.
    -[x] Equal rights: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.
    -[x] Right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job; and to an adequate income.
    -[x] Right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split.
    -[x] The government is required to make documents in any language upon request.
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    [x][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress. Then it must be subject to ad-hoc mass consultations, involving many grassroots meetings to receive public suggestions. Then it must be ratified by referendum.
    [x][constitution] The constitution may be modified with a ⅔ vote by Congress.
    [x][constitution] The constitution may be modified with a majority vote by Congress.
    [X][constitution] An amendment may be proposed with a majority vote by Congress.
 
Constituent Assembly Part 11: Unions
The assembly decided to establish as broad of rights as possible as well as to not carve out any exceptions for reactionaries, seeing it as possible to abuse. So they decided to keep the full first 9 amendments, with one change: the fifth amendment would no longer guarantee no seizure of private property without compensation. This was considered an obsolete right that would have interfered with forcing businesses that hired people to become Worker Associations.

Next, they kept the 13th amendment outlawing slavery, removing the exception for slavery as punishment for a crime. This would prevent all forms of forced labor in the country. They also kept the 14th amendment granting citizenship by birth and the right to due process.

Here there was a brief argument in favor of ending citizenship as a concept, but it was kept to guarantee their rights abroad—abolishing citizenship in the age of the nation state would be a dangerous thing. Instead an addition was made that they also granted all residents the right to ask for citizenship on demand, no exam or language requirements necessary.

The 15th amendment was replaced with the full equal rights amendment championed by the SLP: guaranteeing public accommodation, non-legal disability, wage, employment, right to serve on a jury, and suffrage rights for adults 21 years or more regardless of race, color, sex, or creed, as well as designating election day as a state holiday.

Then more, new rights: the right to food, clothes, healthcare, shelter, education, and secure retirement at the expense of society, not the individual; to a job, to an adequate income, and the right to association, allowing Worker Associations, unions, political organizations, etc. to freely join and split. The government would be required to make documents in any language upon request, a major win both for immigrants, who often had English as a second language or didn't speak it at all, and the indigenous tribes, who had a long history of the government lying to them about what they were signing.

Along these same lines, public schools were to be required to be taught in local languages as well as English. This was championed by the indigenous delegates as a win against current residential schools and the general assimilationist tactics of public schools, which in a unitary state could apply to their former reservations. Being able to demand school in their own language meant their own people being hired to teach it, letting them preserve their culture.

Not that they were the only ones who could benefit. From Asian communities on the west coast to German communities in the Midwest, and most cities having single-language immigrant neighborhoods, there were countless immigrants who would surely seek to preserve their culture this way.


The next topic was on unions. Now that the constitution gave a specific power to the unions—veto ability of management picks—they had to define who "the trade unions" were. This would then also apply any other power or right given by Congress to "the trade unions".

Many in the ACUA itself suggested that the ACUA should be the only nationally recognized union, with everyone affiliated with them. Independent unions would not be banned by the constitution, but they would not get any special powers. They would be backed up by the Marxists who thought all workers should simply join the industrial union which was meant as a body for all workers, the internal democratic structure keeping it fair. The actual text of this proposal would give Congress the right to choose what union federation(s) to recognize, but it was clear they were expected to choose just the ACUA.

The second proposal was that all unions must be recognized equally by the government. This would be the best at preventing government control and interference with the unions, and thus was favored by the anarchists (who suspected they may eventually want to breakaway from the Marxist dominated ACUA), but was also supported by the constitutionalists (who didn't support industrial unionism in the first place). For the IPA veto power, it would apply to whatever union had organized that workplace—leaving non-unionized workplaces or single-workplace unions losing that check on their power.

The third proposal was somewhat of a compromise, proposed by the technocrats, who supported small unions but also wanted to ensure there would always be a group outside a workplace who could veto or fire that management for incompetence. It would have all unions establish a national, federal structure, which would then have the IPA management veto power for all workplaces. This would preserve the independence of smaller unions while forcing them all to work together.


The next question was the case of a conflict between the government and the unions. Most had expected it to be the same as before—courts can judge things, unions can legally or illegally go on strike to protest—except with fewer to no reason for there to be a conflict, as the proletarian state was representative of the workers. But there was always the possibility there would be.

That was why one particularly internationalist delegate proposed that the trade unions could appeal to the Socialist International, which would get the final say in any dispute. This would be a major symbolic step of subordinating the Workers' State to the worldwide workers' movement, even if the power was never used. The anarchists rallied around this proposal, pleased to have some sort of check on the state, but many Marxists supported it as well in the spirit of internationalism.


Finally, the anarchists proposed that the constitution should guarantee the legal right to strike to the trade unions in perpetuity, even against the government itself. This means it would be illegal for the government to try to break a strike in any way other than negotiating and accepting some of the demands. The Marxists, backed up by most everyone else, argued that there would be no need to strike when industry was controlled by the workers themselves, as they had already chosen. Thus it was just as likely a strike would be the work of saboteurs or reactionaries trying to harm the proletarian cause. If a strike was needed, it would have the support to not be suppressed, as they had a proletarian democracy. Therefore there was no need to include that as a special constitutional right. A compromise proposal was also made wherein only the recognized union was allowed to strike—the Marxists certainly weren't worried about the ACUA striking for the wrong reasons, but the anarchists still wanted anyone to be able to.


[][structure] The government will recognize one union federation (the ACUA).

Marxists +3, -3 anarchists, -3 constitutionalists

X0.81 voting multiplier

[][structure] All unions must be recognized equally by the government.

Anarchists +3, constitutionalists +3, -3 marxists

X1.23 voting multiplier

[][structure] All unions will establish a national federal structure, which then has the IPA management veto power.

Technocrats +3, -1 marxist, -1 anarchists, -1 constitutionalists

X0.56 voting multiplier

Write-in vote:
[][structure] Unions will be recognized for the purpose of interacting with state organs in the form of syndical representation councils, allocated proportionally based on their share of representation.

Anarchist +3, constitutionalist -1, marxist -1

X1.12 voting modifier


[][conflict] Nothing special, courts arbitrate conflicts as normal.

Constitutionalist +3, anarchist -3

X0.97 voting multiplier

[][conflict] Trade unions have the right to appeal to the Socialist International, whose decision is binding.

Anarchist +3, Marxist +1, constitutionalist -3

X1.24 voting multiplier


[][strike] Everyone (i.e. including non-recognized trade unions) perpetually have the legal right to strike.

Anarchists +3, statists -3

X0.63 voting multiplier

[][strike] Trade unions perpetually have the legal right to strike.

Anarchist +1, Marxist +1, statist -2

X0.72 voting modifier

[][strike] No special constitutional guarantee for the legal right to strike.

Statists +3, anarchists -3

X1.60 voting multiplier


Interest GroupsFactions# of delegates
Anarcho-Syndicalists⅔ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Industrial Unionism124
Anarcho-Collectivists½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal372
Anarcho-CommunistsRevolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal24
Appalachians⅓ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal, Local-Autonomy132
Various MarxistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Industrial Unionism, Unitary, Marxist259
Marxist-VoightistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Unitary, Minority, Marxist704
Other statist socialistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Unitary, Minority20
PossibilistsSLP, Social Democrat, Constitutionalist, Statist104
Technocrats⅓ SLP, Social Democrat, Constitutionalist, Statist50
Indigenous Rights½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Local-Autonomy, Minority18
LLRPConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal64
Urbanist LeftistsSLP, Minority, Revolutionary Socialist, Unitary53
Agrarian SocialistsSLP, Minority, Revolutionary Socialist, Commune-Federal, Agrarianism169
JeffersoniansSLP, Minority, Constitutionalist, Statist, Unitary, Agrarianism49
Religious Socialists½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal62
SoldiersSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist16
Christian Socialists of AmericaConstitutionalist, Social Democrat, Statist, State-Federal28
Progressive RepublicansConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Pro-Business53
Democratic-PopulistsConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Agrarianism, Pro-Business274
Left-PopulistsConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Agrarianism44
Total2619



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[][structure] All unions must be recognized equally by the government.

Imma be real. Specifically neutering all unions other than the ACUA sounds pretty fucking terrible to me. The ACUA would also, as an industrial union, necessarily exclude the Unions of Non-Workers which non working persons would need to join in order to get their say over resource allocation.

It also makes the whole Industrial Planning Associations completely redundant. If the ACUA's ability to dictate from the top down is made absolute, the whole reassurances about "consultation" thing becomes worthless mouth noises.

[][conflict] Nothing special, courts arbitrate conflicts as normal.

What happened to being the voice of the people? If the people have grievances with industry, then it stands to reason that Industry calling in their outside buddies to invalidate the decisions of the people isn't a good look.

[][strike] No special constitutional guarantee for the legal right to strike.

Wouldn't this fall under "No involuntary labor" anyway?
 
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[][structure] All unions must be recognized equally by the government.

Imma be real. Specifically neutering all unions other than the ACUA sounds pretty fucking terrible to me. The ACUA would also, as an industrial union, necessarily exclude the Unions of Non-Workers which non working persons would need to join in order to get their say over resource allocation.

It also makes the whole Industrial Planning Associations completely redundant. If the ACUA's ability to dictate from the top down is made absolute, the whole reassurances about "consultation" thing becomes worthless mouth noises.

Agreeing with that. I'm not sure about the internationale business (what with them being outside the state) but I like that part of the anarchists proposal.
 
Agreeing with that. I'm not sure about the internationale business (what with them being outside the state) but I like that part of the anarchists proposal.
IIRC one of the problems with the Socialist Internationale is that everybody outside America thinks that it's been co-opted by American Imperialism. Different circus, same old show and all that, just more Americans telling everybody what's good for them.

In any case, while "internationalism" and "symbolism" is nice and all, I don't think a union calling up to the socialist internationale to overturn decisions by local, provincial, and then national juries would be all that great.
eg.
"This local jury declares that you are motherfuckers and your proposal will not go ahead."
"I don't need to take this from you!"
"This provincial jury declares that you are motherfuckers and your proposal will not go ahead."
"I don't need to take this from you!"
"This national jury declares that you are motherfuckers and your proposal will not go ahead."
"I don't need to take this from you!"
"The socialist internationale declares that the people are wrong, the proposal will go ahead, and the people will furthermore formally apologize for calling you motherfuckers."
 
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[][structure] The government will recognize one union federation (the ACUA).
[][conflict] Trade unions have the right to appeal to the Socialist International, whose decision is binding.
[][strike] Trade unions perpetually have the legal right to strike.
[][strike] Everyone (i.e. including non-recognized trade unions) perpetually have the legal right to strike.

Having spent most of the quest mired in turf wars, primarily but not exclusively with the A.F. of L., I'm not too terribly interested in repeating the experience throughout the foreseeable future, with the prize of state recognition on the line. I'm especially not interested in encouraging competition within the United Front--whether by affiliates setting up competing trade union federations, or by splitting the ACUA (especially now that we've seen the French and British Possibilists bring that possibility to life in a temper tantrum truly worthy of Jeff Davis). And as a slogan, "national closed shop" has a nice ring to it, both sonically and as an incentive for the unorganized to get organized.

But speaking of the split in the International, I'm somewhat ambivalent about trusting it with resolving disputes. Not just because it is conflict-riven at the moment, but because it is still composed of voluntary affiliates and is still structurally federal -- with an ad hoc Congress composed of whatever delegates are able to come chosen however the parties please (even if in practice the parties choose delegates democratically and the Congress elects the ISB) -- rather than centralized. That said, for all its imperfections it still represents the opinions of the most advanced sections of the world working class, and its institutions can be perfected with time and effort.

Striking the national industries of a democratic state, in protest of a policy decided by the latter, is essentially a campaign to change public opinion and thus had better be protected just the way we protect speech and publication as means to influence public opinion. EDIT: I had read the "trade unions perpetually have the legal right to strike" option as applying to all workers rather than only recognized unions, and since this has been made explicit in an option will be voting for the latter.
 
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