You're the Queen - Now What? [CK2ish Character-Focused Quest]

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Mortenkam said:
Also, since I know, that you worry about an invasion by Morvak, then I wonder, if you would prefer to spy on Morvak rather than starting an internal spy network
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I thought about it but the internal spy network is more important, and it's less that I worry that we'll be invaded by Morvak then I think that the risk of invasion at all (of which Morvak is a leading contender for a suspect) is too high for me to feel comfortable to demobilize a fourth of the army.

When we're in a better position internally I would be a lot more willing to do so.

The reason I'm having marshal also hunt bandits is that it's an easy way to both increase our revenue and gather legitimacy by restoring order. And the sooner we deal with all the bandit modifiers the better.
 
Voting Is Now Open. It will remain open until 6pm (GMT-5) on Sunday the 29th.

As a reminder, here are the options for voting and the guidance given.

Any task marked with a * is one where the relevant Councillor's (or Vanessa's) Trait (or one of their traits) Applies. In a handful of cases, the same task can be done by multiple councilors - you cannot double-up on tasks, but it's under multiple headers because it could be done by either one, and there are of course so many tasks to get done).

Currently none of Rienne's possible actions here cause her bad trait to kick in, but if a [QUEEN] action causes Vanessa's Greedy trait to kick in, it will be marked with a †.

As I said, what Debts to repay/etc will be the result of a follow-up vote, as some things here might change how much money you have to play with for that.

I didn't literally include every single possible thing the Councillors could do, just the ones that seemed most relevant or interesting or necessary as appropriate. The write-ins are because I can't literally imagine everything. I would ask you to be sparing with write-in councilor tasks, just for the sake of simplicity.

Everything except for the selection of the Keeper of Envoys and the Keeper of Justice MUST BE BY PLAN as obviously some of these choices are mutually exclusive or otherwise cannot be combined. The [ENVOYS] and [JUSTICE] votes should not be part of a plan. Everything else must be.

Please read over everything carefully, and ask questions if needed.

Tax Assessments (Pick 2 to get resolved this turn)
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Eaglecrest Trade Fees
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Port Lest Trade Fees
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Eaglecrest 3% Wealth Tax
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Port Lest 4% Wealth Tax
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] South Tarkos Thanedom Land Tax & Mining Tax
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Lordship Land Tax Phase 1 (Of 2)
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Town Trade Revenue Phase 1 (Of 2)
[ ][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Write in Other Tax Source To Be Assessed (See Assets Post)

Sinecures (Pick 1)
[ ][SINECURES] Sell Sinecures (+10 Dureks, Risks Corruption and Incompetence in Royal Administration)
[ ][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures

Royal Treasures (Pick Any/All You Wish, 1 suboption per option)
[ ][ROYAL TREASURES] Sell Some Of Syrokis's Art Collection
-[ ] Sell Most of It (+7 Dureks)
-[ ] Sell About Half of It (+3.5 Dureks)
[ ][ROYAL TREASURES] Sell Some of the Royal Wardrobe
-[ ] Sell About Half (+2 Dureks)
-[ ] Sell About a Quarter (+1 Durek)
[ ][ROYAL TREASURES] Sell Some of the Royal Cutlery/Plates/Etc
-[ ] Sell Most of it (+4 Dureks)
-[ ] Sell about Half of it (+2 Dureks)
-[ ] Sell about a quarter of it (+1 Durek)
[ ][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
-[ ] Melt Down Most of It
-[ ] Melt Down About Half
-[ ] Melt Down only the most unnecessary or tacky items

Keeper of Correspondence Tasks (Pick 1)
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Personally Oversee Tax Assessments (Up to 2 more Tax Assessments Will be Finished This Turn) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship + 1/2 Learning)*
-[ ] Pick Priority (Weak or Strong Success Required)
-[ ] Pick Secondary (Strong Success Required)
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Gather Reports On Banditry (Improves Base Chance of future Anti-Banditry Tasks) (Base Chance 65% + Stewardship)
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Reorganize the Clerks (Improves Base Chance of [CORRESPONDENCE] Tasks by 4% or 8% for the next 5 turns) (Base Chance 55% + Stewardship + Learning)*
[ ][CORRESPONDENCE] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

Keeper of The Royal Vaults (Pick 1)
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Negotiate Bridge Loan of 100 Dureks To Help Pay Down Current Debts (Failure will mean no loan, Weak Success will mean the higher of the two offered interest rates, Strong Success will mean the lower of the two) (Must be Used To Pay Down Existing Debts)
-[ ] From The Goldaxe Bank (Lortan Dwarves) (11% or 9%) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship)*
-[ ] From The Caragio Bank (Varaday Republic) (13% or 11%) (Base Chance 60% + Stewardship)*
-[ ] From the Veterger Bank (Selissa) (14% or 12%) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Negotiate Free-Standing Loan of 50 Dureks (Failure will mean no loan, Weak Success will mean the higher of the two offered interest rates, Strong Success will mean the lower of the two) (Can Be Used For Anything)
-[ ] From The Goldaxe Bank (Lortan Dwarves) (14% or 12%) (Base Chance 52% + Stewardship)*
-[ ] From The Caragio Bank (Varaday Republic) (15% or 13%) (Base Chance 63% + Stewardship)*
-[ ] From the Veterger Bank (Selissa) (17% or 15%) (Base Chance 74% + Stewardship)*
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Acquire Raw Materials To Mint New Gold and Silver Coins (Progress towards resolving Currency Contraction, Advances Royal Propaganda) (No Roll Required)
-[ ] Spend 5 Dureks
-[ ] Spend 10 Dureks
-[ ] Spend 15 Dureks
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Sell Tax-Farming Rights (Tax Farmers offer large sum of money up front and get full right to collect all taxes from a given source for a specified length of time) (Success of roll results on more money gained) (No matter what, you will get less money up front than you could get over that length of time) (Base Chance 55% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
-[ ] Write In Tax Source And A Number of Turns
[ ][ROYAL VAULTS] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

High Marshall of the Armies (Pick 1)
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Have Rienne Personally Deal With Banditry (Will Result in Follow up Votes. All tasks there will be +Martial, with variable trait applicability) (If not picked, the option to assign other Generals to deal with bandits will be available in a followup vote)
-[ ] Banditry in the Thornmarch
-[ ] Banditry in the Coastal March
-[ ] Banditry in South Eyrist County
-[ ] Banditry Plaguing the Lordships (Multiple Phases)
-[ ] Banditry Plaguing the Free Towns (Multiple Phases)
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Recruit Additional Soldiers (Strong Success gets you all the soldiers you wanted. Weak Success or Failure gets you less soldiers) (Base Chance 50% + Martial)*
-[ ] Write in desired Types and Numbers of Soldiers
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Have Rienne Personally Demobilize Forces (Strong Success means quarter demobilization bonus must be paid, Weak Success means half demobilization bonus must be paid, failure means full demobilization bonus must be paid) (Demobilization Bonus is, by default, one third of the soldiers upkeep.) (Demobilization can still be done separately if Rienne is not assigned to oversee it) (Base Chance: 55% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
-[ ] Suggest Specific Demobilization Plan (I.e. specific numbers of what you want to get rid of)
-[ ] Suggest General Demobilization Plan (i.e. general idea of what you want to get rid of, but leave the details up to QM within those parameters)
-[ ] Straight 25% Demobilization (Reduce all categories of soldier by 25%)
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Survey Border Defenses (Opens Options for Future Improvement of Border Defenses) (Base Chance: 75% + Martial)*
-[ ]Thornmarch
-[ ]Ashdan March
-[ ] Write in (Suggest Other Border Area)
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Inspect the Officer Corps (Success will locate and purge incompetent, corrupt or disloyal officers. Runs the risk of lowering army morale and organization on Weak Success or failure) (Base Chance 48% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
[ ][HIGH MARSHALL] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

Keeper of Secrets (Pick 1)
[ ][SECRETS] Attempt to Claw Back some of the funds Syrokis and his cronies stashed away in foreign banks. (Better success means more money. More money available in the Varaday Banks all told))
-[ ] In the Varaday Banks (Base Chance: 40% + Intrigue)*
-[ ] In the Selissan Banks (Base Chance: 52% + Intrigue)*
[ ][SECRETS] Rebuild Internal Spy Network (Phase 1 of ?) (No roll required. Each phase opens more [SECRETS] options down the line and improves chances of success of internal spy operations, as well as giving increased chance for intelligence to be 'passively' received)
-[ ]Provide Funds to Speed up/Improve Process. Write-in amount.
[ ][SECRETS] Rebuild an External Spy Network (Costs 5 Dureks) (Provides passive intelligence and improves chances of spy operations inside a given state)
-[ ] In Veldros (Base Chance: 65% + Intrigue)*
-[ ] In Morvak (Base Chance: 60% + Intrigue)*
-[ ] In Selissa (Base Chance: 53% + Intrigue)*
-[ ] In The Kingdom of the Necromancers (Base Chance: 40% + Intrigue)*
-[ ] In the Varaday Republic (Base Chance: 43% + Intrigue)
-[ ] Pick a Target (Base Chance and Trait applicability to be set by QM)
[ ][SECRETS] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

Keeper of the Sheriffs and Reeves (Pick 1)
[ ][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
[ ][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Repair War Damage (Strong Success means lower cost, Weak Success means higher cost) (Once done, it will take 5 Turns for the relevant modifier to be removed, but no additional costs) (Rebuilding the Roads will reduce this length and improve Base %)
-[ ]To the Coastal March (Costs 5 or 10 Dureks) (Base Chance: 50% + Stewardship)*
-[ ]To the Southmarch (Costs 3 or 7 Dureks) (Base Chance: 61% + Stewardship)*
-[ ]To the 3 Crown Reserves (Costs 1.5 or 3 Dureks) (Base Chance: 70% + Stewardship)*
[ ][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Appoint trustworthy and capable people to fill leadership positions in the Reeves to manage royal properties (Base Chance: 53% + Diplomacy + 1/2 Stewardship)*
[ ][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Oversee the Sheriffs in reducing bandit activity. (Success improves the Base Chance of [HIGH MARSHALL] or later General Tasks dealing with bandits in the relevant areas)
-[ ] In the Thornmarch (Base Chance: 55% + 1/2 Stewardship + 1/2 Diplomacy)*
-[ ] In the Coastal March (Base Chance: 60% + 1/2 Stewardship + 1/2 Diplomacy)
[ ][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

Queen Actions (Pick 2)
[ ][QUEEN] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
[ ][QUEEN] Have Vanessa Personally Demobilize Forces (Strong Success means quarter demobilization bonus must be paid, Weak Success means half demobilization bonus must be paid, failure means full demobilization bonus must be paid) (Demobilization Bonus is, by default, one third of the soldiers upkeep.) (Demobilization can still be done separately if no one is not assigned to oversee it) (Base Chance: 55% + Martial + Diplomacy)†
-[ ] Suggest Specific Demobilization Plan (I.e. specific numbers of what you want to get rid of)
-[ ] Suggest General Demobilization Plan (i.e. general idea of what you want to get rid of, but leave the details up to QM within those parameters)
-[ ] Straight 25% Demobilization (Reduce all categories of soldier by 25%)
[ ][QUEEN] Scry on a Neighboring power to gather information on them. (Provides information, may increase odds of future [SECRETS] actions involving the country) (Base Chance: 55% + Magic)*
[ ][QUEEN] Scry on the Status of the Border Defenses (Opens Options for Future Improvement of Border Defenses) (Base Chance: 51% + Magic + Martial)*
-[ ]Thornmarch
-[ ]Ashdan March
-[ ] Write in (Suggest Other Border Area)
[ ][QUEEN] Try to get Cyril to be willing to provide direct assistance in some cases (Opens options in the future) (Base Chance 25% + Diplomacy)
[ ][QUEEN] Use divination to get an idea of what nearby realms might have potentially interested candidates for marriage (Base Chance: 60% + Magic)*
[ ][QUEEN] Decide what to do with the confiscated estates from the lords that were attainted. (Scene & Followup Vote)
[ ][QUEEN] Rule on the dispute over who gets the County of Aloce (Scene & Followup Vote)
[ ][QUEEN] Meet with representatives of merchants active on Lake Raida to try to increase dock revenues) (Base Chance: 47% + Diplomacy + Stewardship)
[ ][QUEEN] Social Action (May use both Queen Actions on Social Action)
-[ ] Get To Know Your Staff Better
-[ ] Write-in Councilor you'd like to improve relations with.
-[ ] Catch Up With Cyril
-[ ] Reach out to Vanessa's noble mother/family in Veldros
-[ ] Write-in (Subject to QM Veto)
[ ][QUEEN] Negotiate with the Estates to rationalize some incoherent and outdated laws regarding fishing, mining and logging rights. (Base Chance: 53% + Diplomacy + Stewardship)
[ ][QUEEN] Recruit more mages to Royal Service (If successful, costs 10 Dureks. No expenditure if failure) (Base Chance: 70% + Diplomacy)†
[ ][QUEEN] Suggest additional task, subject to QM Veto (Base Chance Will be Set by QM If Approved)

You won't be able to see the stats or trait(s) of these candidate beforehand. The Envoy options will all have a 7 or 8 in Diplomacy, and the Keeper of Justice options will all have a 6/7/8 in Learning/Intrigue, and their descriptions should hint at their trait(s). Ask questions as you see fit, but I will keep some things closer to the chest here.

Keeper of Envoys Appointment (Pick 1)
[ ][ENVOYS] Lady Carissa Floren, a noblewoman with relatives in Nerinthar, Veldros, Restid and Velermarch. Charming, friendly and well-liked, she can establish rapport with almost anyone very quickly, or so is her reputation. Lost her older brother and mother to Syrokis's war with Morvak, and her family was rewarded with property in the Thornmarch after the war with Morvak. Doesn't really lean progressive or conservative, as a noble.
[ ][ENVOYS] Lady Lyra Bandasi, a progressive noblewoman from the Grand Duchy of Raida, who has an un-noblelike level of investment in trade, without even the polite fiction of having middlemen to keep her officially detached. Has a reputation for being a hard bargainer. It's said you should always check to make sure she didn't talk you out of your coin purse too afterwards.
[ ][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner.

Keeper of Justice Appointment (Pick 1)
[ ][JUSTICE] Lady Aster Corex, a conservative-minded noblewoman who served as a lesser judge under Syrokis, but quit nearly a decade before the war took over, objecting to his bending of all rights of the accused, noble or otherwise. Was jailed after the war started and spent most of it rotting in a somewhat comfortable cell before being released after the capital was taken. While her estates were returned to her, she is nearly bankrupt, but she is widely seen as incorruptible where the letter of the law is concerned.
[ ][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
[ ][JUSTICE] Count Xandar Fredoro, the Count of Vaspiri. Is a widely respected expert on inheritance law, and his family has long funded a College dedicated to the study of the law in their domain, which is respected in and out of Halrun. Has been consulted by judges in and out of Halrun to help sort out inheritance disputes. Not progressive by any means, but he is famously disdainful of Count Vallefor's over-jealous protection of every last arcane noble right and privilege as well.
 
MrRageQuit said:
True, but I think it's a bad idea to mono-focus, and my thinking is that doing these this turn will better set us up for jumping on the deficit on the next turn with all the money we've raised.
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Yeah, my plan is rather focused on dealing with the deficit, though with how high the interest is on those loans, then I think it would be smart to do much to deal with from the start.

uri said:
I thought about it but the internal spy network is more important, and it's less that I worry that we'll be invaded by Morvak then I think that the risk of invasion at all (of which Morvak is a leading contender for a suspect) is too high for me to feel comfortable to demobilize a fourth of the army.

When we're in a better position internally I would be a lot more willing to do so.

The reason I'm having marshal also hunt bandits is that it's an easy way to both increase our revenue and gather legitimacy by restoring order. And the sooner we deal with all the bandit modifiers the better.
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I just think that a spy network in Morvak would be a decent way to know, if Morvak are planning to invade anytime soon.
 
Mortenkam said:
I just think that a spy network in Morvak would be a decent way to know, if Morvak are planning to invade anytime soon.
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Sure but while Morvak is the likeliest to try and invade us they aren't the only possibility and I'd rather have an internal network and have it fast before an internal problem arises.

anyway.

[X] Plan raising revenue and hunting bandits.
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] South Tarkos Thanedom Land Tax & Mining Tax
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Lordship Land Tax Phase 1 (Of 2)
-[X][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures
-[X][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
--[X] Melt Down only the most unnecessary or tacky items
-[X][CORRESPONDENCE] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
-[X][ROYAL VAULTS] Negotiate Bridge Loan of 100 Dureks To Help Pay Down Current Debts (Failure will mean no loan, Weak Success will mean the higher of the two offered interest rates, Strong Success will mean the lower of the two) (Must be Used To Pay Down Existing Debts)
--[X] From The Goldaxe Bank (Lortan Dwarves) (11% or 9%) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship)*
-[X][HIGH MARSHALL] Have Rienne Personally Deal With Banditry (Will Result in Follow up Votes. All tasks there will be +Martial, with variable trait applicability) (If not picked, the option to assign other Generals to deal with bandits will be available in a followup vote)
--[X] Banditry in the Thornmarch
-[X][SECRETS] Rebuild Internal Spy Network (Phase 1 of ?) (No roll required. Each phase opens more [SECRETS] options down the line and improves chances of success of internal spy operations, as well as giving increased chance for intelligence to be 'passively' received)
--[X]Provide Funds to Speed up/Improve Process. 10 Dureks.
-[X][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
-[X][QUEEN] Decide what to do with the confiscated estates from the lords that were attainted. (Scene & Followup Vote)
-[X][QUEEN] Meet with representatives of merchants active on Lake Raida to try to increase dock revenues) (Base Chance: 47% + Diplomacy + Stewardship)

[X][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner

[X][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
 
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I feel that I have talked enough about my plan, but I will note that it is focused on dealing with our current deficit.

[X]Plan: Fixing the Economy
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Port Lest Trade Fees
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] South Tarkos Thanedom Land Tax & Mining Tax
-[X][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures
-[X][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
--[X] Melt Down only the most unnecessary or tacky items
-[X][CORRESPONDENCE] Personally Oversee Tax Assessments (Up to 2 more Tax Assessments Will be Finished This Turn) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship + 1/2 Learning)*
-[X] Priority: Lordship Land Tax Phase 1 (Of 2)
-[X] Secondary: Eaglecrest Trade Fees
-[X][ROYAL VAULTS] Negotiate Bridge Loan of 100 Dureks To Help Pay Down Current Debts (Failure will mean no loan, Weak Success will mean the higher of the two offered interest rates, Strong Success will mean the lower of the two) (Must be Used To Pay Down Existing Debts)
--[X] From The Goldaxe Bank (Lortan Dwarves) (11% or 9%) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship)*
-[X][HIGH MARSHALL] Have Rienne Personally Demobilize Forces (Strong Success means quarter demobilization bonus must be paid, Weak Success means half demobilization bonus must be paid, failure means full demobilization bonus must be paid) (Demobilization Bonus is, by default, one third of the soldiers upkeep.) (Demobilization can still be done separately if Rienne is not assigned to oversee it) (Base Chance: 55% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
--[X]General Demobilization Plan: Cut the total 25%, but don't reduce the size of the Thornmarch garrison.
-[X][SECRETS] Attempt to Claw Back some of the funds Syrokis and his cronies stashed away in foreign banks. (Better success means more money. More money available in the Varaday Banks all told))
--[X] In the Selissan Banks (Base Chance: 52% + Intrigue)*
-[X][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
-[X][QUEEN] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
-[X][QUEEN] Decide what to do with the confiscated estates from the lords that were attainted. (Scene & Followup Vote)

I prefer Floren as Keeper of Envoys, since she sounds like a good diplomat, especially for when it comes to dealing with nobility, which probably makes her the best candidate to help us find a spouse.

[X][ENVOYS] Lady Carissa Floren, a noblewoman with relatives in Nerinthar, Veldros, Restid and Velermarch. Charming, friendly and well-liked, she can establish rapport with almost anyone very quickly, or so is her reputation. Lost her older brother and mother to Syrokis's war with Morvak, and her family was rewarded with property in the Thornmarch after the war with Morvak. Doesn't really lean progressive or conservative, as a noble.

I like Fredoro as Keeper of Justice, though mostly for his disdain of the protection of every last arcane noble right and privilege.

[X][JUSTICE] Count Xandar Fredoro, the Count of Vaspiri. Is a widely respected expert on inheritance law, and his family has long funded a College dedicated to the study of the law in their domain, which is respected in and out of Halrun. Has been consulted by judges in and out of Halrun to help sort out inheritance disputes. Not progressive by any means, but he is famously disdainful of Count Vallefor's over-jealous protection of every last arcane noble right and privilege as well.
 
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-[X][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner
-[X][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
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You can take these two out of your plan if you want.
 
Kylia Quilor said:
Everything except for the selection of the Keeper of Envoys and the Keeper of Justice MUST BE BY PLAN as obviously some of these choices are mutually exclusive or otherwise cannot be combined. The [ENVOYS] and [JUSTICE] votes should not be part of a plan. Everything else must be.
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I figured putting it in the big announcement would do the job, but duly noted.
 
[X] Plan Money Money Money
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Eaglecrest 3% Wealth Tax
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Port Lest 4% Wealth Tax
-[X][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures
-[X][ROYAL TREASURES] Sell Some Of Syrokis's Art Collection
--[X] Sell About Half of It (+3.5 Dureks)
-[X][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
--[X] Melt Down About Half
-[X][CORRESPONDENCE] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
-[X][ROYAL VAULTS] Negotiate Bridge Loan of 100 Dureks To Help Pay Down Current Debts (Failure will mean no loan, Weak Success will mean the higher of the two offered interest rates, Strong Success will mean the lower of the two) (Must be Used To Pay Down Existing Debts)
--[X] From The Goldaxe Bank (Lortan Dwarves) (11% or 9%) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship)*
-[X][HIGH MARSHALL] Have Rienne Personally Demobilize Forces (Strong Success means quarter demobilization bonus must be paid, Weak Success means half demobilization bonus must be paid, failure means full demobilization bonus must be paid) (Demobilization Bonus is, by default, one third of the soldiers upkeep.) (Demobilization can still be done separately if Rienne is not assigned to oversee it) (Base Chance: 55% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
--[X] Suggest General Demobilization Plan (Winnow down the Light Cavalry a bit, Men at Arms, and Crossbowmen a lot; keep the heavy cavalry as the army core, supported by cheaper troops)
-[X][SECRETS] Attempt to Claw Back some of the funds Syrokis and his cronies stashed away in foreign banks. (Better success means more money. More money available in the Varaday Banks all told))
--[X] In the Varaday Banks (Base Chance: 40% + Intrigue)*
-[X][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Repair War Damage (Strong Success means lower cost, Weak Success means higher cost) (Once done, it will take 5 Turns for the relevant modifier to be removed, but no additional costs) (Rebuilding the Roads will reduce this length and improve Base %)
--[X]To the Coastal March (Costs 5 or 10 Dureks) (Base Chance: 50% + Stewardship)*
-[X][QUEEN] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
-[X][QUEEN] Use divination to get an idea of what nearby realms might have potentially interested candidates for marriage (Base Chance: 60% + Magic)*


[X][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner.

[X][JUSTICE] Count Xandar Fredoro, the Count of Vaspiri. Is a widely respected expert on inheritance law, and his family has long funded a College dedicated to the study of the law in their domain, which is respected in and out of Halrun. Has been consulted by judges in and out of Halrun to help sort out inheritance disputes. Not progressive by any means, but he is famously disdainful of Count Vallefor's over-jealous protection of every last arcane noble right and privilege as well.



My god this was a huge pain in the ass, I'm never making a plan again. I just picked a bunch of stuff I thought was a good idea.

Okay, though. I wanted to get at least one fellow mage on staff with Arandel, and I thought a Justice who specializes in inheritance disputes is sorely needed right now.
 
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[X] Plan: Reconstruction Begins
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Port Lest Trade Fees
-[X][TAX ASSESSMENTS] South Tarkos Thanedom Land Tax & Mining Tax
-[X][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures
-[X][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
--[X] Melt Down only the most unnecessary or tacky items
-[X][CORRESPONDENCE] Gather Reports On Banditry (Improves Base Chance of future Anti-Banditry Tasks) (Base Chance 65% + Stewardship)
-[X][ROYAL VAULTS] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
-[X][HIGH MARSHALL] Inspect the Officer Corps (Success will locate and purge incompetent, corrupt or disloyal officers. Runs the risk of lowering army morale and organization on Weak Success or failure) (Base Chance 48% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
-[X][SECRETS] Rebuild an External Spy Network (Costs 5 Dureks) (Provides passive intelligence and improves chances of spy operations inside a given state)
--[X] In Morvak (Base Chance: 60% + Intrigue)*
-[X][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
-[X][QUEEN] Decide what to do with the confiscated estates from the lords that were attainted. (Scene & Followup Vote)
-[X][QUEEN] Rule on the dispute over who gets the County of Aloce (Scene & Followup Vote)

[X] Plan: ...crawkid plan v2

[X][ENVOYS] Lady Carissa Floren, a noblewoman with relatives in Nerinthar, Veldros, Restid and Velermarch. Charming, friendly and well-liked, she can establish rapport with almost anyone very quickly, or so is her reputation. Lost her older brother and mother to Syrokis's war with Morvak, and her family was rewarded with property in the Thornmarch after the war with Morvak. Doesn't really lean progressive or conservative, as a noble.
[X][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
 
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Ok wow this is a lot of stuff all at once.

I'm not committed to a plan YET, but I have thoughts.

-I don't think Bandits alone are sufficient reason to delay with demobilization especially long, and I don't want Rienne faffing around with then either as we can have our generals deal with it. An invasion is another matter of course, but we can still demobilize and retain an effective defensive force. We can still have our Keeper of Correspondance look into the matter though. I'd prefer Rienne look into our officers or begin demobilizing excess forces. Related, I'd really want a specific and thought-out plan for demobilization, instead of just a general cut, that or a good reason why the general cut winds up the best.

-Selling the treasures/art is mostly unimportant. Maybe the art can sell as a sort of political statement, given who was collecting those pieces, but it doesn't sound like that'll matter (they certainly didn't speak like it) so keeping things appropriately opulent is fair. I'm less sure on the melting down, *only* because being unable to make our own coin sounds considerably more important, but I'm not especially convinced it'll get too bad if we lift up a few mining taxes sooner so raw materials from those mines can come back in. (Assuming they're the right kind anyways.) I don't think we need to go above and beyond... Yet.

-We are desperate for money but I think Vallefor can wait on trying to snatch it out of those banks for right now. Either set him on an external spy network or on rebuilding the interior spy network.

-We want to oversee the sales with our Keeper of the Royal Vaults. We can negotiate a Bridge Loan later, we can only do this now. I do think we want to try to go for the Goldaxe Bank loan either way, but that can come second.

-Keeper of Correspondance can speed up our taxes, look into the Roads or look into the Banditry. Any of these work out well enough.

-No Sincecures, no Tax-Farming, end of line. I think we're mostly in agreement on that though.

-Of the other two Keeper choices, most look good. I'm not as sure on Lady Carissa Floren, given that she may have reason to dislike one of our neighbors-and while that neighbor is Morvak, it may wind up being a malus in that situation. Of course, maybe I'm missing something here, and i think I could accept any of the three. As for Keeper of Justice, i do not want to put someone that has is 'infamous' for a particular rivalry with one of our own Keepers. Even if it doesn't extend beyond the courtroom id rather not have that friction. I'd prefer Itrick Grosdan or Lady Aster Corex accordingly.

EDIT: Quickly looking over the current plans...

[X] Plan: Reconstruction Begins
[X] Plan: ...crawkid plan v2

[X][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner.

[X][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
 
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[X]Plan: Fixing the Economy

[X][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner.

[X][JUSTICE] Itrick Grosdan, a high-ranking cleric of Askiran. Most concerned with the maintenance of order, he is an advocate for flexible laws and clear, humane sentences. Vocal opponent of torture (which is legal under certain circumstances in Halrun, including as punishment for crimes. An old man, he has served as essentially a freelance investigator and prosecutor for Brunn, briefly Syrokis, and various nobles and towns, as well as Port Lest.
 
Nonexistent Tazz said:
-I don't think Bandits alone are sufficient reason to delay with demobilization especially long, and I don't want Rienne faffing around with then either as we can have our generals deal with it. An invasion is another matter of course, but we can still demobilize and retain an effective defensive force. We can still have our Keeper of Correspondance look into the matter though. I'd prefer Rienne look into our officers or begin demobilizing excess forces. Related, I'd really want a specific and thought-out plan for demobilization, instead of just a general cut, that or a good reason why the general cut winds up the best.
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When you are asking for a specific and thought-out plan for demobilization, are you thinking about which types of troops to retain and which to let go or from which garrisons to remove troops?

When it comes to the types of troops, then I will admit, that I do not really have an idea about which types, that would be best to retain.

When it comes from which garrison to remove troops from, then I feel it is important not to weaken the defense of the Thornmarch, though that might mean that we end up demobilizing more ex-rebels, then ex-loyalists, since the ex-loyalists are generally stationed at the frontier, rather than in the Grand Duchy.

There is of course also a third important garrison to mention, that of Ashdan Keep, which protects us from the Nourvois Clans, which also consist of a lot of ex-loyalists.

I would like to hear your thoughts about, what a good plan for demobilization would be.
 
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-No Sincecures, no Tax-Farming, end of line. I think we're mostly in agreement on that though.
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I think we have to be careful about making "common sense" arguments for economic issues.
For example, I can say that economies of scale are important and that large companies always have a cost advantage over small companies.
But if I think that as the leader of a country and thus combine all small farmers into conglomerates, it will be my fault if the food supply collapses.
If my studies have taught me one thing through some economic simulation games, it is that economic decisions are best made with at least an excel spreadsheet and logical assumptions.

That's why I don't think Sinecures are fundamentally bad, but Sinecures for 10 Dureks are bad.
Even if we use the 10 Dureks to pay off debts, we only save 1.18 Dureks a month.
It is easy to assume that the problems we might have with Corruption and Incompetence in the Royal Administration are more costly than the benefit.
But what if we got 100 Dureks or 1000 Dureks, then at least you can think about it a bit.
It's all a question of considerations.

This particularly applies to tax farming.
The principle is that you get money now and in return you give up the right to tax something for a while.
That alone isn't enough to say it's always bad.
It depends on the intended use and the margin granted.
Our intended use would be really strong, I have already shown several times how damaging our interest rates are.

Therefore my request to @Kylia Quilor
For example, if we give up the right to tax 50 Dureks for 10 rounds, what is the range of the instant payment we can expect.
I know it depends on success, but we can't make an informed decision if we don't know the magnitude of the matter.

If I received something, I could prepare a comparison calculation for the next round, with best case and worst case scenarios so that we can make an informed decision about how sensible the option is.
The only reason why I haven't done this yet is that I want to see how big our remaining debts are after the turn so that I can better estimate the amount required.
 
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For example, if we give up the right to tax 50 Dureks for 10 rounds, what is the range of the instant payment we can expect.
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Depending on the sources involved, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 Dureks on a weak success, most likely. You'd get more if you tax farmed fewer, higher value sources.

As for only getting 10 Dureks from Sinecures - a Durek is a very valuable piece of money. Remember, that's the monthly wage AND physical upkeep for 50 heavy cavalry, and the kinds of horse needed for that were some of the most expensive things a knight could own way back when. So those 10 Dureks are from selling a few hundred offices for fractions of a Durek each.
 
I agree that we can seek loan later if we're looking at selling these properties now, and that later would probably be best with a turn of at least *looking* into marriage candidates to give ourselves the best chance there


I also had structured around having the spymaster set up informants externally to an area we may be looking at getting more money from later


[Come to think of it, we could probably attack that problem on multiple layers, i just need to re-read where goldaxe is located...]

But again, i think we should tackle the loan problem later and do some base work *because* id want to increase chances with the bank, and thatd require changing the queen action this round, if we wentfor it this round.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Sad to see so many votes for Grosdan, I think Fredoro is more what we need right now.
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Why? His speciality is not very outstanding, he is not a completely fair and incorruptible judge like Lady Aster, who even challenged the highest authority, or someone like Itrick Grosdan, whose humane ideas can eventually completely transform the system of punishments in the country.
 
[x] Plan: ...crawkid plan v2
- [x][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Lordship Land Tax Phase 1 (Of 2)
- [x][TAX ASSESSMENTS] Town Trade Revenue Phase 1 (Of 2)
- [x][SINECURES] Don't Sell Sinecures
-[x][ROYAL TREASURES] Melt Down Assorted Gold and Silver Items in the Palace & Other Royal Properties to be Minted Later (Provides progress towards resolving Currency Contraction)
-- [x] Melt Down only the most unnecessary or tacky items
- [x][CORRESPONDENCE] Personally Oversee Tax Assessments (Up to 2 more Tax Assessments Will be Finished This Turn) (Base Chance 50% + Stewardship + 1/2 Learning)*
-- [x] Pick Priority : Port Lest 4% Wealth Tax
-- [x] Pick Secondary : Eaglecrest 3% Wealth Tax
- [x][ROYAL VAULTS] Personally Oversee The Sale of Confiscated Property (Weak Success Results in 25% more money from Sales, Strong Success Results in 50% more money from sales) (Base Chance 45% + Stewardship + Diplomacy)
- [x][HIGH MARSHALL] Inspect the Officer Corps (Success will locate and purge incompetent, corrupt or disloyal officers. Runs the risk of lowering army morale and organization on Weak Success or failure) (Base Chance 48% + Martial + Diplomacy)*
- [x][SECRETS] Rebuild an External Spy Network (Costs 5 Dureks) (Provides passive intelligence and improves chances of spy operations inside a given state)
-- [x] In Selissa (Base Chance: 53% + Intrigue)*
- [x][SHERIFFS AND REEVES] Gather Reports On The State Of The Roads (Opens More Road-Repair Related Tasks) (Base Chance 70% + Stewardship)*
- [x][QUEEN] Decide what to do with the confiscated estates from the lords that were attainted. (Scene & Followup Vote)
- [x][QUEEN] Rule on the dispute over who gets the County of Aloce (Scene & Followup Vote)


[x][ENVOYS] Arandel Synvara, an elf who lives in Eaglecrest and a skilled wizard. Nearly 400 years old, Arandel is well-traveled and experienced, and has been an adventurer, a court wizard, a freelance enchanter and more. In recent decades, he's become an internationally respected mediator between mages disputing over all manner of things, as well as between mages and non-mages. A skilled diviner.
[x][JUSTICE] Lady Aster Corex, a conservative-minded noblewoman who served as a lesser judge under Syrokis, but quit nearly a decade before the war took over, objecting to his bending of all rights of the accused, noble or otherwise. Was jailed after the war started and spent most of it rotting in a somewhat comfortable cell before being released after the capital was taken. While her estates were returned to her, she is nearly bankrupt, but she is widely seen as incorruptible where the letter of the law is concerned.


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After some thinking, ive adjusted a few things

First, as was said in the update itself, i put some focus on the roads, though i still think its important we fill in smaller offices quickly as part of ground work

secondly, ive decided to take the chance of lower morale so that we can get rid of lingering corruption in ranks with rienne

Third...yes, we can wait until next month to see where our finances are, I suppose, but I am keeping the melting down of ugly trinkets so we can have more coin

finally...this hasnt been changed yet but...where is goldaxe located @Kylia Quilor ?
 
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Eternal_0bserver said:
Why? His speciality is not very outstanding, he is not a completely fair and incorruptible judge like Lady Aster, who even challenged the highest authority, or someone like Itrick Grosdan, whose humane ideas can eventually completely transform the system of punishments in the country.
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His specialty is what we need right now at this exact moment when there have been a lot of people killed and all sorts of disputes about inheritance. I'd use him for the next couple of years, then replace him once the immediate need is done.
 
Briefvoice said:
His specialty is what we need right now at this exact moment when there have been a lot of people killed and all sorts of disputes about inheritance. I'd use him for the next couple of years, then replace him once the immediate need is done.
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I think you seriously underestimate how difficult it is to get rid of powerful vassals in advisory positions. It's still not Crusaders Kings. You will need a very good reason, and even then, dismissing the count from the council will likely negatively affect the opinion of the vassals.
 
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