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World of Chaos - Fantasy Crossover NRP

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munchkinomatic said:
Nope, the brain and the mind are tightly linked together, you can't feel or understand something your brain can't process. Goblins lack the ability to understand why they should give anything away for free.

The Golden Empire had been at war with litterally all factions on their planet since its founding, what make you think this is any different? In fact, goblin economy is by goblins, for goblins only, why would we want to add you genocidial maniacs to the mix?

And yes, non-goblins=genocidial maniacs in their head.
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Academic consensus is rather strongly against you on this subject with how heavily slanted the discussion is towards the nurture side of things these days. Also; a society with literally no ability to understand altruism isn't going to be making any kind of society at all. There's rather strong indication that altruism is a very important part of being able to form groups and societies in the first place and was a crucial part in the evolution of humanity's ancestors into social animals and thus our ability to develop a society in the first place. There's also a strong narrative in anthropology that perhaps even our very sapience is a result of needing to meet the needs of increasingly complex social interactions to better enhance our survivability. Nobody is going to be in a group they can't gain anything from.

Still; if you can't be made to progress, you'll just have to be left to die alone and forgotten in the dustbin of history as other societies leave you behind and join hand in hand in international brotherhood. Or you could go the route Hitler did and go down in glorious flames fighting nearly everyone there is to fight at once, that's always an option.
 
SailorMidgard said:
Okay, sounds reasonable, I always thought a sort of market syndicalism along with a guranteed minimum income would be a nice system..you know, work for those who want more than a good lower middleclass living, the rest automatized..I guess that is the CUP D-FLP and SEU position.
Unfortunatly, this has almost no relevance to a clan based feudal magical sociuety..
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We're a society that's very big on helping other society's pull up. Firstly, it's the right thing to do, secondly it helps us make allies as they'll remember us as the people who sank blood and treasure into their development. Finally, it also creates economic partners and is thus an economically sound bet in the long run.
 
Mental Omega said:
Academic consensus is rather strongly against you on this subject with how heavily slanted the discussion is towards the nurture side of things these days. Also; a society with literally no ability to understand altruism isn't going to be making any kind of society at all. There's rather strong indication that altruism is a very important part of being able to form groups and societies in the first place and was a crucial part in the evolution of humanity's ancestors into social animals and thus our ability to develop a society in the first place. There's also a strong narrative in anthropology that perhaps even our very sapience is a result of needing to meet the needs of increasingly complex social interactions to better enhance our survivability. Nobody is going to be in a group they can't gain anything from.

Still; if you can't be made to progress, you'll just have to be left to die alone and forgotten in the dustbin of history as other societies leave you behind and join hand in hand in international brotherhood. Or you could go the route Hitler did and go down in glorious flames fighting nearly everyone there is to fight at once, that's always an option.
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While I am not so sure on your "Whigish version" of history, I have to agree... enlightened self-interest alone can not hold up society.A certain degree of altruism is needed...and evinced by most stable socueties..and the more mercenary social mores get, the less stable a society is.
Videlicet the Pathan tribes of eastern afghanistan... or modern corporate society.
 
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Mental Omega said:
Academic consensus is rather strongly against you on this subject with how heavily slanted the discussion is towards the nurture side of things these days. Also; a society with literally no ability to understand altruism isn't going to be making any kind of society at all. There's rather strong indication that altruism is a very important part of being able to form groups and societies in the first place and was a crucial part in the evolution of humanity's ancestors into social animals and thus our ability to develop a society in the first place. There's also a strong narrative in anthropology that perhaps even our very sapience is a result of needing to meet the needs of increasingly complex social interactions to better enhance our survivability. Nobody is going to be in a group they can't gain anything from.

Still; if you can't be made to progress, you'll just have to be left to die alone and forgotten in the dustbin of history as other societies leave you behind and join hand in hand in international brotherhood. Or you could go the route Hitler did and go down in glorious flames fighting nearly everyone there is to fight at once, that's always an option.
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Let's not get into such details.
Fantasy races often make no sense but we just roll with it.
You may manage to reform the Goblins but it would be after insane amount of effort and a war that may as well be called the Goblin Genocide.
You'll need to break the Golden Kingdom before this progress can begin.
You may attempt this but don't expect to get any results on the short term.
 
SailorMidgard said:
You know that this leaves other races no choice other than to become what the goblins fear?
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Well, that's the general first impression. They don't go out of their way to actively attack others unless provoked. They may be terrified of you and keep a wide distance, but they won't attack unless you prove that yes, all non-goblins are genocidial maniacs.

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Academic consensus is rather strongly against you on this subject with how heavily slanted the discussion is towards the nurture side of things these days. Also; a society with literally no ability to understand altruism isn't going to be making any kind of society at all. There's rather strong indication that altruism is a very important part of being able to form groups and societies in the first place and was a crucial part in the evolution of humanity's ancestors into social animals and thus our ability to develop a society in the first place. There's also a strong narrative in anthropology that perhaps even our very sapience is a result of needing to meet the needs of increasingly complex social interactions to better enhance our survivability. Nobody is going to be in a group they can't gain anything from.
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SailorMidgard said:
While I am not so sure on your "Whighish version" of history, I have to agree... enlightened self-interest alone can not hold up society.A certain degree of altruism is needed...and evinced by most stable socueties..and the more mercenary social mores get, the less stable a society is.
Videlicet the Pathan tribes of eastern afghanistan... or modern corporate society.
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Yes, that is how humans society developed, please provide proof that this is the only possible route for all possilbe lifeforms *shamelessly spam the "alien species" card*

Still; if you can't be made to progress, you'll just have to be left to die alone and forgotten in the dustbin of history as other societies leave you behind and join hand in hand in international brotherhood. Or you could go the route Hitler did and go down in glorious flames fighting nearly everyone there is to fight at once, that's always an option.
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Funny thing is, I'm totally fine with that. This is still my first nationgame, so I don't expect to win, but I do want to have fun and wage some genocidal wars. Guess I need a better excuse than that though, so

Our Empire's not looking for any trouble or enemy, it just want to mine raw resources and find lands for its people. It has already grown tired of constant wars just to ensure any goblin can walk freely without getting his gold robbed by "heroes". We came to this land, hoping for a fresh start, hoping for peace,tt seem that we were wrong. For you humans are here as well, it is in your very nature as a species to despite us, even though we pose no threat to you, even though we didn't not even as much as tread on your land, you would still see our Empire shattered and our heritage erased. Obviously, humans, in their infinite wisdom, know exactly how we should live our lives. Obviously, the little green monkeys should listens to their better, obviously you have the right to tell us to burn down the Empire of our glorious Messiah because your overgrown dwarf know best.

Listen well, humans, you speak of oppression, know that you are our greatest oppressor, for it is you who would rather ripped our Empire apart and damn trillions of lives rather than suffer the existence something that defy your belief. If you truly believe in what you preach, then leave and let us crumble alone, but if you're so insecure that you have to actively enforce it with millitary might, then know that we all will drown in blood before you can have your satisfaction. The Empire will start no war, but it will protect its people from aggressor.

Good enough? Can I commit warcrime now?
 
Mental Omega said:
Gud,

Who do I need to take up?
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How many people you are willing to take?
It's good if I know each co-GM's capacity, to say.

As for whom, we can discuss it in PMs.
Do you have any favorites? i am also thinking of perhaps participating but it's very much up in the air.
I mean the setting of this game is largel netural and I'll make all info about the vanilla Worluk setting public soon.
That being said I'll probably have my hands tied with managing this game to do that.
 
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willyvereb said:
How many people you are willing to take?
It's good if I know each co-GM's capacity, to say.

As for whom, we can discuss it in PMs.
Do you have any favorites? i am also thinking of perhaps participating but it's very much up in the air.
I mean the setting of this game is largel netural and I'll make all info about the vanilla Worluk setting public soon.
That being said I'll probably have my hands tied with managing this game to do that.
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I think 4-8 is good. Only go higher in absolute emergencies.

I'm good with history, star wars, warhammer (either variant), undertale, homestuck, star trek, starcraft, the elder scrolls, fallout, metroid, halo, alternate history, rise of legends, dragon age, avatar the last airbender, transformers, Faerun, Greyhawk, the order of the Stick, H.P Lovecraft, Marvel, DC, the MCU, the DCAU, Command and Conquer, Alpha Centauri, the middle earth saga, Temeraire, Dwarf Fortress, Godzilla, Pacific Rim, Tom Clancy, Metal Gear, Wakfu, Warcraft, James Bond, Overlord, Wolfenstein, Age of Mythology, Grecoroman Mythology, Norse Mythology, Egyptian Mythology, Celtic Mythology, Mayan/Aztec Mythology, Japanese Mythology, Chinese Mythology, Baltic Mythology, Hindu scriptures, DOOM, and man I'm just into so many kinds of things.
 
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Faction Name: SHIELD/Remnants of the USA military
Origin: Avengers AU
Faction Type: Government Funded Secret Organization
Leader: Nick Fury/Barack Obama
Population: I'm honestly not sure.
Faction Rank:
Color: Red
Assigned Gm:
Starting Area: Don't have PAINT, but I'll be starting in the middle of the Howling Sea
Faction Introduction:
In the year 2012, the Chitauri invaded New York, however, instead of the smaller numbers in the movie, they invaded with multiple portals, with the biggest in New York, but several across the Nation, including D.C, San Francisco, and other various military bases. The US military was mobilized, and the Avengers were split up to take down the various portals, but it was already too late. The Chitauri deliberately flew one of their Mobile Command Cruisers towards D.C, obliterating the entire city.
With the US losing ground, even with help of captured Chitauri equipment, Stark started working on a project in 2015. With the help of Banner and Jarvis, along with SHIELD scientists, they opened a portal wide enough for the remnants of SHIELD and the United States military to pass through to WoLurk.
Faction Features:
Never Give Up: Before the Chitauri invaded, the Avengers were probably the best fighting force on the planet, they never gave up. In the recent Chitauri invasions, this was even more true.
Amazing Navy: The USN was probably the most advanced navy in their original world. Many USN ships had reverse engineered Chitauri Weapons, and a prototype laser was being worked on before the Chitauri invasion.
Combat Operative: The majority of SHIELD personnel are trained in the best way possible to get out of any situation possible.
Weaknesses:
War-Weary: Fighting the Chitauri for five years is a long time, and it clearly shows, most of the populace wants to live in peace, without any war.
Infiltrated: It's not a known fact, but SHIELD has been infiltrated by HYDRA, and its only a matter of time before they rise..
Military
SHIELD Forces:
1 Helicarrier
100 S.H.I.E.L.D UAVS
90 Quinjets
100 SHIELD Helicopters
1 Captured Chitauri Leviathan
100 Agents
United States Military:
100 Various vehicles Total (Tanks, Humvees, Drone craft, Jeeps, AFV's)
100 mixed amounts of Artillery
90 mixed amounts of Helicopters(Apache's, Chinooks, and Black Hawks)
10,000 infantry
100 Special Forces
United States Navy:
1 Gerald R. Ford Aircraft Carrier
5 Armored Cruisers
2 Battlecruisers
6 classes of Submarines
200 various Aircraft Total(F-16's, UAV's, Transport craft)
2,000 Amphibious Infantry
1 Battleship


Yeah, I can change some of this if you want me too.
 
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Tyrannops said:
Faction Name: SHIELD
Origin: Avengers
Faction Type: Goverment Funded Secret Organization
Leader: Nick Fury
Population: I'm honestly not sure.
Faction Rank:
Color: Red
Assigned Gm:
Starting Area: Don't have PAINT, but I'lI be starting on the Southern most part of Ayvar.
Faction Introduction:
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This is a rather inadequate start. Do you mind adding more?
 
willyvereb said:
You chose Khatiria, which is steppe-filled land where the original Hadzar population are serfs serving the highly militaristic Khatirians.
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Is it alright/acceptable that a fair chunk of forest got transported there with me? So I don't know if there are any forests in this steppe-filled land but assuming it's alright there will be a chunk of forest in it now.

Also will it potentially be possible for me to find other Trolls and the like in this world, or will I have to make sure to keep my troll population high enough to be viable if I don't want them all to disappear?
 
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