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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

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[] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.

This'd be me - for Tyrion's seeming infertility, if nothing else.

Any cunning plans, though?
 
[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.
 
[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.

Getting Tyrion to take the seat will work but only if Tommen and Myrcella are kept safe. Tyrion won't agree to any action that'll see them dead. What would happen to Jaime in this plan?

EDIT: As always, I'm amused and frustrated by Stannis. The man is a fucking idiot when it comes to social interactions. An ally manages to gather an army of 50000-60000 men to fight for you? "Ah, it's good to see that you're loyal."
 
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[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.

Versharl said:
Getting Tyrion to take the seat will work but only if Tommen and Myrcella are kept safe. Tyrion won't agree to any action that'll see them dead. What would happen to Jaime in this plan?
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Jaime must die or take the Black, no way he's getting out of this after he cuckold the king.
 
[X] The Lannisters holding Casterly Rock are not of the main line, but a cousin branch. If Ser Stafford joins his forces to yours, might he be worthy of the Rock?
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.

EDIT: On reconsideration, maybe trying to play to Stafford's vanity is the better option. We're not likely going to shift Tyrion without some sort of deus-ex-machina and as much as I like the guy we can't have him outside the tent pissing in.

I'm sticking to my guns on Tommen, though. Call me the voice of Ned Stark's "enough with the dead kids" conscience, and fuck all y'all who disagree.
 
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Versharl said:
There's a fairly big difference there. Tyrion doesn't know that Jaime is an absolute shit brother and actually still likes him, so while he'd probably agree if Jaime were sent to the Wall, I doubt he'd agree if Jaime is to be executed.
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Tough shit, if Stannis is merciful and Jaime is allowed to take the Black then good for him. But if he gets the block then I it's his own damn fault. We already try to give Tyrion Casterly Rock and the safety of Myrcella and Tommen. Asking more than that is insane.
 
[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.
 
I dont like this option:
[ ] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.

because we're saying that we will not allow tommen to be killed where as with the other option we can use Tommen's life to negotiate.
 
@Charcolt , how well does Robb know Tyrion? Does he even have a positive opinion of him in the first place or does he merely think it's a good strategy to secure the Westerlands?
 
I might suggest that Tommen be squired somewhere else, such as a house in the Vale, as an alternative to remanding him to Tyrion if Stannis won't accept that. Tyrion will mainly want to be sure that his nephew is safe, and that still meets that requirement.
 
[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.
 
Walpurgis Knight said:
@Charcolt , how well does Robb know Tyrion? Does he even have a positive opinion of him in the first place or does he merely think it's a good strategy to secure the Westerlands?
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He doesn't really, beyond their interaction when Tyrion returned from the Wall and acknowledging him as a highborn prisoner. He now knows that Tyrion had nothing to do with Bran's fall or the subsequent attack, which combined with the whole "soft spot for cripples, bastards, and broken things" has left him with more mixed than negative feelings.
 
[X] Remain silent. King Stannis will doubtless have plans of his own to punish House Lannister once the war is won. There are good men who will be made great by the riches of the West.

Come on @Charcolt, give me a good Lannister genocide. Please. I deserve that. :cry:
 
I'm thinking Stafford would be easier to manage and more likely to be approved by Stannis since it's a branch that's somewhat removed from everything that Jaime and Cersei did.

OTOH...Tyrion running the Rock would really grind Tywin's gears, heh...though not sure if Robb has reason to know that.

Either way, working out Tommen's safety shouldn't be too difficult.
 
[X] The Lannisters holding Casterly Rock are not of the main line, but a cousin branch. If Ser Stafford joins his forces to yours, might he be worthy of the Rock?
Changing to this, as it seems more acceptable to Stannis and we ensure that someone less competent ends up ruling the lannisters.
 
What is it with this trend of people wanting to let Tyrion rule Casterly Rock? He might not like Tywin or Cersei, but are you forgetting what happened to his brother, and what will most likely happen to him once Stannis wins? There is no reprimand or release for Jaime, he will die and unless something new has happened behind the scenes to reveal to him the truth about Tysha, Tyrion is going to be plotting revenge. It might not be now. It might not be for years or decades, but it will come and it will bring nothing but death and misery. If you want to deal with the Lannisters effectively, purge the main line, eliminate anyone with a direct claim to Casterly rock, i.e. Tywin's and Cersei's gets.

Fuck Ned Stark's promise. It was made under duress, for the most part, and people would not think unkindly of him not living up to his part of the bargain. Fuck his honor. It led to people dying in the first place, canon-wise, when he let Cersei know his plans to tell Robert about her bastards and her brother.

It's a shame that he and Sansa hadn't died, it would've been for the better.

I don't have the time to do a write-in as of now, but the other options as they are just seem not viable in the long run. Bottom line is Tyrion is not your friend, he's not going to be an ally, he's not going to be someone you jape with and regardless of his hatred for Tywin, he's still not going to just look past all that's happened and be a leal subject to Stannis.
 
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[X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
-[X] Your father has sworn to protect Myrcella Waters, but that oath does not apply to Cersei's sons. They will not factor into your arrangement.
 
[X] The Lannisters holding Casterly Rock are not of the main line, but a cousin branch. If Ser Stafford joins his forces to yours, might he be worthy of the Rock?

Wouldn't it be better to add Lannisters armies to ours rather than having them stay neutral? And if we capture KL with their help, we'll also get the Crownlands levies. This is the only way we can match Renly's numbers.

Also, since Selyse is a Florent, maybe we can get them and some other Reachlords to declare for Stannis, or at least stay neutral. Ditto for the Stormlands. We also have LPs of the Stormlands, the Mander and the Wardenship of the South to hand out as incentive.
 
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Charcolt said:
Yeah, I'm afraid most quests tend to work on first past the post in that regard, with PMs and vote changing the best way to rally people to back a close second choice. Maybe next time I'll use a slightly better system like ranked choice.
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Nah, it was the voters' fault. Just griping to gripe.
 
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