Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

You're right, changed it to "further announcements" and added how "Stannis might be the rightful heir to Robert but none of them have yet proven worthy of our loyalty or support."

I'd just leave it as looking to our own for now and not go into loyalty/support. But maybe I'm nitpicking. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Well, I'm not sure where they should go. Winterfell? Give them some money and let them decide on their own?

We got a bunch of his bastards already...what are we doing with them? @Charcolt? I dunno...Winterfell for now, I suppose. Though we'll probably foster them off to loyal vassals willing to take them.
 
How do you think ASOIAF would've gone if everything that happened in the quest (sans white walkers and related things) was canon? Would GRRM immediately try to screw over the Starks?

@Charcolt I spent the entire time grinning and laughing as I caught up. I'm looking forward to the next update! :grin:

[X] Plan Turtle
 

Anyone I should add to this?
Yo Charcolt, what about Alys Karstark? Katie McGrath maybe?
 
We got a bunch of his bastards already...what are we doing with them? @Charcolt? I dunno...Winterfell for now, I suppose. Though we'll probably foster them off to loyal vassals willing to take them.
Added something vague about helping them have decent lives. I'm sure Charcolt will make it work and be interesting/hilarious.
I'd just leave it as looking to our own for now and not go into loyalty/support. But maybe I'm nitpicking. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
I get that but I think we need some justification for not rushing to the aid of Stannis aside from wanting to protect ourselves.
 
We got a bunch of his bastards already...what are we doing with them? @Charcolt? I dunno...Winterfell for now, I suppose. Though we'll probably foster them off to loyal vassals willing to take them.

They'll feature in the coming updates. This one is to get the broader direction you all want to go in.

Yo Charcolt, what about Alys Karstark? Katie McGrath maybe?

Alys Karstark is betrothed to Daryn Hornwood. That he and his father are alive is why there is no Ramsay or Reek causing trouble at Hornwood.
Adhoc vote count started by Charcolt on Jul 19, 2017 at 5:53 PM, finished with 141 posts and 24 votes.

  • [X] Plan Fortify
    -[X] Eddard will go North and Robb will stay south. The heir to Winterfell has proven himself an adept commander, and it has been too long since its Lord saw his lady wife.
    -[X] Send as many scouts and rangers out as possible, in a wide but closely connected net, so that if one disappears or dies, the others know of it. Order them to bring you word of whatever they hear or see. Simultaneously, order for a small host to be gathered near the Long Lake.
    -[X] Say nothing in regards to Stannis or Renly. We may have declared for Stannis, but we owe him nothing; he did nothing to aid Lord Eddard in his danger, as should be his duty. Vassalage is a two-way street - if Stannis wants the powers of it, let him prove he also honors its responsibilities. As For Renly, we have no quarrel with him; the Riverlands are ours, and should he want anything of them or us, let him come and ask. But while you do not offer anything to either lords, use this time wisely: fortify, fortify, fortify. Attacks could be coming from all directions. With Baelish in the wind and knowing that Lysa is under his influence, there may come trouble from there. You can't trust the Westerlands to stay silent either for too long. Also, suggest advantageous marriages between Northern and Riverlander noble families to tie the two realms closer together.
    -[X] See who has lost the most due to Clegane's rampage and offer that lord to take his head. Before the execution, send out an invitation to Dorne. They can attend the execution if they manage to get there on time and if they want the body afterwards to do whatever they want to do with it, that's fine with us.
    -[X] Send a message to all the Lord and Ladies of the Vale regarding the recent occurrences. Express surprise that Lysa did not come aid her siblings,but understanding that she may not have been able to do so. Proclaim Petyr Baelish to be a traitor who killed Jon Arryn and desires to rule the Vale. Hint that Lysa might have been involved in Arryn's death somehow due to her close relationship with Baelish, without outright saying it.
    -[X] Negotiate with all the major Northern houses for Robb's betrothal and then chose the one who you need to bind the most to you and offers you most.
    -[X] Take up negotiations for Sansa's betrothal with some of the major Vale houses, preferred outcome here being either Harry Hardying or one of the Royces
    -[X] It is a bit too early to make commitments for Arya's betrothal. She's young yet and too willful. But keep on the lookout for good marriage prospects advantageous to the war and who could handle Arya. You want her to be happy, after all, and for a second Lyanna Stark not to happen.
    -[X] Try to betroth Bran to Lord Lefford's daughter (see below).
    -[X] For Theon, speak to the Mormonts and the Manderlys about a possible betrothal to Theon, but don't push. If one of them is inclined to agree, talk to Theon and convince him that you're doing him a favor, wanting him happy, and rediscovering his heritage by giving him strong allies on the coast. Make it seem like he has a choice (he doesn't, of course). Send a letter to Pyke using Theon's progress as a warrior as pretense (talk about all the things that would impress an Ironborn), casually mention that you shattered the Lannisters and that the Westerlands are almost unprotected now, though do not make it seem like you want Balon to attack them. Perhaps if you don't tell them to attack the Westerlands, but give them the information that they're ripe for the picking, they will attack the Westerlands. Also, fortify the North against possible Ironborn attacks, while you are at it, just in case.
    -[X] Betroth Bran to Lord Lefford's daughter. Sweeten the deal by having Lady Whent name Bran her heir. Make it so that when they're married, one son will inherit Harrenhal, one son will inherit the Golden Tooth. Meanwhile, Lord Lefford's daughter should be invited as a lady-in-waiting for Catelyn, so that she might meet her betrothed. Have the Blackfish act in Bran's place until Bran is of age, should direct action be necessary in Harrenhal (should Lady Whent die) or in other such cases.
    [x] Plan Turtle
    -[X] Military strategy and diplomacy:
    -[X] Eddard will go North and Robb will stay south. The heir to Winterfell has proven himself an adept commander, and it has been too long since its Lord saw his lady wife.
    --[X] Send a veteran force with many scouts north of the Wall to scout and find out more about this foe. Scouting should be spread in a wide but interconnected net to ensure communication between scouts. Ask for the aid of the Night's Watch in this endeavour. Their knowledge of the terrain and regular dangers will prove invaluable to the mission's success. The Night's Watch is dangerously low on manpower and supplies. Provide them what aid we can by sending prisoners, volunteers and a variety of supplies their way. Perhaps the gold gained from the Lannister's can pay for this? Call upon the aid of the Northern mountain clans and their hardy warrior, some of whom still speak the Old Tongue. Make sure that Ned asks for this assistance personally, since they're unlikely to be moved my messengers.
    --[X] For now, House Stark must look to their own. Do not make any further announcements in support to any of the contenders for the Iron Throne. Stannis might be the rightful heir to Robert but none of them have yet proven worthy of our loyalty or support. Adopt a defensive posture in the Riverlands and clear out any remaining bandits and Lannister stragglers. Fortify strategic positions and crossing in the Riverlands and attempt to ensure the peasants can conduct one last harvest before winter. Any attack by the Lannisters, Renly or Stannis will be met with force, though a measured response should be taken against Renly. Robb will lead these operations in the Riverlands from Harrenhal with strong garrisons along the Southern and Western border but the threat of the Ironborn must not be neglected and Seagard should be defended vigilantly. The same holds true for the border with the Vale, though this is a lower priority than the South and West.
    --[X] Gregor Clegane will be executed immediately and his head will be sent to Dorne. Such a monster can't be allowed to live and the late king's justice must be carried out in full.
    --[X] Send word of Littlefinger's actions to the nobles houses of the Vale and ask them to ensure he finds no shelter in the Vale. Alongside this message, feelers should be sent to determine if he can be captured as well as the general mood towards the war. Catelyn and Edmure should contact their sister to attempt to gain some form of support in the war as a sibling. However, this is just as much an attempt to gauge Lysa's mood and preferences as it is a genuine call for support.
    -[X] Marriages and inheritance:
    -[X] Ask Lady Whent and Edmure to make Rickon heir to Harrenhal
    --[X] Arrange a marriage between Edmure and Alyssane Lefford with the second son getting the Golden Tooth.
    --[X] Arrange a marriage between Bran and one of the Manderly daughters, who in turn will support the construction of a new, well-protected port along the Western shores of the North, potentially along a rivermouth of one of the rivers in the Rills or the Fever River. This will be partially funded with the money gained from the Lannister reparations and ransoming of Westerland nobility.
    --[X] Hold off on betrothals for Robb, Sansa and Arya. See how the war develops before making decisions here.
    -[X] Northern noble house initiatives and miscellaneous:
    --[X] Encourage House Glover to experiment with ship construction at Deepwood Motte with ironwood from House Forrester (Their vassal) and have House Manderly send advisors.
    --[X] Encourage Houses along the Western coast to support the construction of a new, fortified port in order to revitalize the region and protect against potential Ironborn aggression.
    --[X] Encourage vassals to forge closer ties with the mountain clans. They are our brethren and in these times of trouble, we can't afford to be divided.
    --[X] Have Arya and a search party look for her direwolf. We don't want Nymeria running around the Riverlands.
    --[X] Seek out more of Robert's bastards and help them all have decent lives, whether that's as smiths in Winterfell or merchants growing rich off of the timber and fur trade.
    [X] Plan Hedge Our Bets
    -[X] Eddard will go North and Robb will stay south. The heir to Winterfell has proven himself an adept commander, and it has been too long since its Lord saw his lady wife.
    -[X] Send as many scouts and rangers out as possible, in a wide but closely connected net, so that if one disappears or dies, the others know of it. Order them to bring you word of whatever they hear or see. Simultaneously, order for a small host to be gathered near the Long Lake.
    -[X] Say nothing in regards to Stannis or Renly. We may have declared for Stannis, but we owe him nothing; he did nothing to aid Lord Eddard in his danger, as should be his duty. Vassalage is a two-way street - if Stannis wants the powers of it, let him prove he also honors its responsibilities. As For Renly, we have no quarrel with him; the Riverlands are ours, and should he want anything of them or us, let him come and ask.
    -[X] Execute Ser Gregor and send his head to Prince Doran. He was sentenced to death under King Robert, with the sentence carried out by his loyal Wardens of the North, the Stark; let that be an end to it. Still, Princess Elia deserves justice, so they now have it (if we have Amory Lorch, do the same for him).
    -[X] Send a message to all the Lord and Ladies of the Vale regarding the recent occurrences. Express surprise that Lysa did not come aid her siblings,but understanding that she may not have been able to do so. Proclaim Petyr Baelish to be a traitor who killed Jon Arryn and desires to rule the Vale. Indicate a willingness to betroth Sansa to Robin Arryn, and should that not work out, to Harrold Hardyng.
    -[X] Along with Gregor Clegane's head, send a message to Prince Doran, indicating willingness to betroth Arya* to Quentyn or Trystane Martell.
    -[X] Speak with Lord Lefford and his daughter about betrothing Alysanne to Bran. Should they (most likely) refuse, offer instead a betrothal between Edmure Tully** and Alysanne
    -[X] Speak to Lady Whent and Edmure Tully about making Rickon*** heir to Lady Whent.
    -[X] Send a force of men with Arya to find her direwolf. Nobody wants that beast to become feral and terrorize the Riverlands.
    [X] Plan: Secure the East, burn the West
    -[X] Eddard will go North and Robb will stay south. The heir to Winterfell has proven himself an adept commander, and it has been too long since its Lord saw his lady wife.
    -[X] Send as many scouts and rangers out as possible, in a wide but closely connected net, so that if one disappears or dies, the others know of it. Order them to bring you word of whatever they hear or see. Simultaneously, order for a host of decent size to be gathered near the Long Lake
    -[X] Edmure Tully will gather a host and lead defensive operations in the south from Harrenhall, making sure to clear out Lannister bandits and eliminate them whilst keeping up a defensive posture, Robb will take the Northmen to attack the West as he did in canon, burn than, scatter their hosts and loot it.
    -[X] Send a message to all the Lord and Ladies of the Vale regarding the recent occurrences. Express surprise that Lysa did not come aid her siblings,but understanding that she may not have been able to do so. Proclaim Petyr Baelish to be a traitor who knew of Joffrey's origins and betrayed Lord Stark. Betroth Robb to Ysilla Royce and send the Blackfish with 1000 men to hunt him down.
    -[X] Ask Lady Whent and Edmure to make Rickon heir to Harrenhal
    -[X] Enter negotiations with the Northern Lords for Sansa's hand. Her hand will be used to find a good match and reward the Northern Lords for their loyalty
    -[X] Enter negotiations with Lord Leo Lefford to betroth Edmure to his daughter
    -[X] Execute Ser Gregor and send his head to Prince Doran. He was sentenced to death under King Robert, with the sentence carried out by his loyal Wardens of the North, the Stark; let that be an end to it
    [X] Plan Knight of Walpurgis
 
Do you think betrothing Bran to one of his daughters would be good enough for Manderly? It'd be fine if Bran was healthy, but him being crippled and possibly not being able to father children puts a bit of a damper on the arrangement.
 
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Do you think betrothing Bran to one of his daughters would be good enough for Manderly. It'd be fine if Bran was healthy, but him being a cripple and possibly not being able to father children puts a bit of a damper on the arrangement.

Not to mention the ten and six year age differences. It's not the most important thing in the world, but it's still decreasing the window of fertility and chance of a compatible marriage.
 
Not to mention the ten and six year age differences. It's not the most important thing in the world, but it's still decreasing the window of fertility and chance of a compatible marriage.

That much of a difference? Not insurmountable but...yeah. We may want to rethink that part of plan turtle.

Edit: anything else we can offer the Manderlys to go forward with that port/shipbuilding part?

Well, for those considering a Northern bride for Robb, one of the Manderly girls could be a good pick.
 
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That much of a difference? Not insurmountable but...yeah. We may want to rethink that part of plan turtle.
Not ten and six as in sixteen, but ten and six as in ten years for the elder daughter and six for the younger.

I don't see the latter as being much of a problem, to be honest. And Wylis Manderly has two kids, as well as a brother, so the continuation of House Manderly probably wouldn't really be at risk. I think they might have cadet branches as well?
 
Do you think betrothing Bran to one of his daughters would be good enough for Manderly? It'd be fine if Bran was healthy, but him being crippled and possibly not being able to father children puts a bit of a damper on the arrangement.
Well, in order for the marriage to be consummated, Bran will have to 'preform'. If he can't, the marriage is void as far as I know, though Northern traditions might differ from those of the South.
Not to mention the ten and six year age differences. It's not the most important thing in the world, but it's still decreasing the window of fertility and chance of a compatible marriage.
Well, the marriage would definitely be with Wylla and not Wynafryd, which leaves more than enough time for procreation. 6 years isn't really that big of an age difference, so I don't see how it would hurt the chances of a compatible marriage.
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Can the two houses be merged into one massive fiefdom, a single inheritance? It would make House Tully's dominance over the Riverlands much more secure and finally make the Riverlands politically stable.
I doubt House Lefford would agree to that. It'd mean the extinction of their house. I presume that the second son of Edmure and Alysanne will take the Lefford name when he inherits the Golden Tooth.
 
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