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Warhammer Fantasy: Honor is all, Chivalry is all (Bretonnia CK2)

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McLuvin said:
He's too much of a pussy for our daughter. No real decent stats. Even with officers training they would be Meh at best.

Let's find someone else for her, she deserves better than this chump.
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Incorrect. Without the Young penalty, he's got good Piety and Learning, and excellent Stewardship.

And there's being a future Elector Count and all.
 
He's the Heir to the Elector Count of Stirland, it doesn't matter how bad he is. More importantly, he mostly complements Justine's stats, though as I will note again I lobbied to get her trained under Alberta to try and help her Intrigue out more because of his low score.
 
Grim Avgrundsson said:
Yes yes, woe be us should they happen to complement one another.
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How do they compliment each other?
She is superior in most of the stats.

That's not a compliment, that's dragging her down.

We could have gotten a better match for her, instead she's going to have to go out and spend her life doing all the hard work for him...
 
McLuvin said:
How do they compliment each other?
She is superior in most of the stats.

That's not a compliment, that's dragging her down.

We could have gotten a better match for her, instead she's going to have to go out and spend her life doing all the hard work for him...
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Still wrong.

Voikirium said:
Kurt Anderssen

Traits:
Just(+2 Stewardship, +1 Learning)
Gardener (+2 Stewardship, +1 Learning)
Curious (+2 Stewardship)
Young (-2 for each year under age of majority)

Martial: 7-8=0
Piety: 14-8=6
Diplomacy: 11-8=3
Intrigue: 8-8=0
Learning: 14+2-8=8
Stewardship: 15+2+2+2-8=13
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Justine Folcard

Traits:
Strong: She has the same strength as her brothers. (+3 Martial, +1 Diplomacy)

Young: She has not reached the age of maturity, and as such does not have even that slight maturity. (-2 All stats for every year under age of majority)

Haughty: Like all youngsters, she believes she is always right. (+1 Martial)

Rowdy: And of course, she can't fit in with Repanse or the Damsels-- no, she's got to be a rowdier child than both of your sons. (+1 Martial)

Stats:
Martial: 17+3+1+1-8=14- >TFW Your daughter is killier than both your sons.

Piety: 14-8=6- She has faith in the rightness of slaying that which is evil.

Diplomacy: 18+1-8=11- She's got a natural leadership.

Intrigue: 17-8=9- She is certainly the splitting image of her mother in this regard.

Learning: 5-8=0- There's things she'd rather be doing than listening to a lecture, much like you at that age.

Stewardship: 9-8=0- She's okay at math and too damn proud to quit, which can get you far.
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Kurt has significantly better Learning and Stewardship.

So yes, they compliment each other well.
 
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Voikirium said:
Your youngest daughter, and a firebrand. Where other Dukes have daughters of a polite, demure- or at least respectful- nature, your daughter seems bound and determined to give you an aneurysm. She has trained with General Alfred of Leicheberg, and has picked up a few tricks from him.
Traits:
Strong: She has the same strength as her brothers. (+3 Martial, +1 Diplomacy)

Young: She has not reached the age of maturity, and as such does not have even that slight maturity. (-2 All stats for every year under age of majority)

Brave: Cowards die a thousand times, the brave but once. (+2 Martial)

Strategist: She has a calm, cool, calculated approach to war. (+2 Martial, +1 Stewardship)

Stubborn: She will break before she bends. (+1 Stewardship, -1 Diplomacy)

Stats:
Martial: 17+3+2+2-4=20- She has already earned some renown putting to sword various vampiric halls; none too impressive, but every journey must start somewhere.

Piety: 14-4=10- She has much respect for any goddess that calls for adventure, and doing.

Diplomacy: 18+1-4-1=14- Like you said, she'll break before she bends.

Intrigue: 17-4=13- All you're saying is, there's a reason her siblings ran to her when they needed something pilfered.

Learning: 5-4=1- She's not particularly book-y.

Stewardship: 9-4+1=6- Whatever in skill she lacks, she makes up for in sheer determination.
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Please note that, being as she hasn't actually finished fully her education, the bonuses to her base stats haven't been applied yet.
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Voikirium said:
Yep.

This dude:
Kurt Anderssen
Born: 1429
Son of the Elector Count of Stirland-- a fellow wine connoisseur you have bought more than some stock off, and vice versa-- he is not the most athletically gifted child, the result, you hear, of a sickly infancy. He does, however, apparently have quite the gift at the learned subjects- math, history, writing, that sort of thing.

By all accounts, a good natured lad.

Traits:
Just(+2 Stewardship, +1 Learning)
Gardener (+2 Stewardship, +1 Learning)
Curious (+2 Stewardship)
Young (-2 for each year under age of majority)

Martial: 7-8=0
Piety: 14-8=6
Diplomacy: 11-8=3
Intrigue: 8-8=0
Learning: 14+2-8=8
Stewardship: 15+2+2+2-8=13

Note that the fluff is very slightly out of date-- he has entered the Officer's Academy after some prodding from his family, though he is still, definitely, more of a quartermaster than a general.
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Statwise, the only part where one or the other doesn't decisively pick up the slack is diplomacy, where they are both above average.
 
The problem I have with him is this.
-Lords are only respected in era's like this for either being decently diplomatic or at least adequately strong
-He is neither, he is a sickly, weak, poor diplo Lord
-It's not going to be long before someone he rules over, someone better, decides to try and remove him
-If they try martial, great, our daughter will have to save his arse repeatedly whilst further making him seem weak to his vassals because he can't fight his own battles
-If they try Intrigue then his wife is going to have to save him and put herself at risk in a shadow war, again and again.
-In conclusion, we are giving our daughter into a life of violence and war and backstabbing without any decent support because her husband is a weakling with shit intrigue.

Loving father ahoy!!!
 
McLuvin said:
The problem I have with him is this.
-Lords are only respected in era's like this for either being decently diplomatic or at least adequately strong
-He is neither, he is a sickly, weak, poor diplo Lord
-It's not going to be long before someone he rules over, someone better, decides to try and remove him
-If they try martial, great, our daughter will have to save his arse repeatedly whilst further making him seem weak to his vassals because he can't fight his own battles
-If they try Intrigue then his wife is going to have to save him and put herself at risk in a shadow war, again and again.
-In conclusion, we are giving our daughter into a life of violence and war and backstabbing without any decent support because her husband is a weakling with shit intrigue.

Loving father ahoy!!!
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Chivalry of Convenience ahoy!

1. Not necessarily, there have been Elector Counts before whose talents lent itself to other paths in life other than the field of battle, Emmanuelle von Liebwitz for example. I'll give you that the most prolific of Elector Counts have almost always been of the Shitkicker Supreme, Todbringer and Marius Leitdorf springs to mind, variant, but then again – it is based on a wargame.
2. There are remedies for that you know, and he most certainly does not have poor diplomacy, it is in face just above average. However, being the heir of and Elector Count, they would have tried most cures by now.
3. Which is where our daughter comes in, with her downright satisfactory intrigue score, and the presumed Kurt's judicial champion. Again, look no further than Emmanuelle von Liebwitz and Theodore Bruckner.
4. Alas, his undoing revealed itself to be his imperfection. The current Count of Stirland doesn't seem to be out and about currently either. Nevermind that with his stewardship, the odds of him improving the state of the realm, and consequently lining his barons pockets with gold, are quite substantial.
5. I concur, the threat of vampires will always be the skulking in the shadows.
6. Welcome my Lords, to Isengard Warhammer!
 
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McLuvin said:
The problem I have with him is this.
-Lords are only respected in era's like this for either being decently diplomatic or at least adequately strong
-He is neither, he is a sickly, weak, poor diplo Lord
-It's not going to be long before someone he rules over, someone better, decides to try and remove him
-If they try martial, great, our daughter will have to save his arse repeatedly whilst further making him seem weak to his vassals because he can't fight his own battles
-If they try Intrigue then his wife is going to have to save him and put herself at risk in a shadow war, again and again.
-In conclusion, we are giving our daughter into a life of violence and war and backstabbing without any decent support because her husband is a weakling with shit intrigue.

Loving father ahoy!!!
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He's not actually particularly sickly any more, that passed with infancy. It just left a mark on him.
 
Night_stalker said:
Yeah, I mean, Stirland? We couldn't at least go for one of the good provinces?
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Stirland is essentially the county of inbred, racist, religiously intolerant people.

They are Hillibillies...

Not only are we sending our daughter there, but we are also giving her to a scrawny, not especially charming, puff.

We could get so, so, so much better than that for her.

I ask that the option to break the engagement be given. I don't want to trap our daughter in Stirland with someone unworthy of her.
 

>MFW I forgot to roll for something in the Old World News, then do it, and PLOT happens

Yay

(Will put it up soon, then edit it in)
 
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The Return of Karak Zorn
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    • The Return of Karak Zorn: Five mighty ships, each taller than two galleon stacked atop each other and longer than three bound together, appeared over the horizon in view of L'Anguille, bearing strange masts and heraldry no-one knew. Fearing they might be Norscans in some strange, new demon ships, the King hurriedly gathered a small party and brokered a ship to either parley or belay them long enough for an army to gather to defend the city.

    This fear was unnecessary-- for the forces were not men at all, but Dwarfs-- the Lost Dawi of Karak Zorn. Each dwarf was bedecked in gold and ivory, and their holds were filled with treasure unmatched and glories unknown. Saved from the long, slow death that has chipped at the Dwarfen People, they know things the Dwarfs of the Old World have long forgot; already many families among the Dawi, both sides, have begun sending young members of the family, to gather knowledge from amongst each-other-- the Dwarfs of Karak Zorn, gunpowder; the Dwarfs of the Karak Ankor, the many runes and ruins.

    It seems that communications between the two peoples were split by a greenskin invasion in the Southlands, a story quite familiar to all who know of the Dwarfs; but where the Dawi of the Old World had no help from the primitive humans at the beginning of the Age of Woes, the Lizardmen of the Southlands, though comparatively primitive to their kin of Lustria, did still have an instinctual hate for the greenskin, thus weakening the foul armies of the Orcs enough for the Runesmiths of the Age to craft a great working that shielded them and preserved them of the vile bile of the Greenskin.

    The Dawi Zorn have seen the indignity payed upon their split kin; and they are enraged by it.
     
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    • Night_stalker said:
    No kidding, a Lizardmen alliance? What's not to love?
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    It's not an alliance, the Southlands Lizardmen are too primitive and fractured for that. It's just that, primitive or not, they really fucking hate Greenskin, and thus killed with a murderous rage every Greenskin that entered their turf, both weakening and slowing the Waaaagh! until the Runepriests could do their thing.
     
    Bretonnia cleansed of (blatant) vampires.
    The Dark Elves kicked in the teeth by a grand alliance of Elves, Dwarves and Men.
    And now a long lost Karak with intact Runelore resurfaces.

    Things are very much looking up.
    …something is about to go horribly wrong.
     
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