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1.2.2 - Getting Madavian and the Next Step
Ulos looked around.

"Shit."

Abraham nodded miserably.

"Look, Abraham. Don't do anything, don't say anything, just stay there, ok? I'll be right back."

Ulos took off at a pace, running out of his dorm, climbing the stairs to the Parrot's Perch at a rate he'd never ever considered before.

(Running Roll - 76 + 10 (Phys) = 86 vs DC 80, Failure DC 20. Time used reduced!)

He opened the door, seeing Madavian inside, busily combing out his curls with a brush.

"Oh, hi Ulos, what-"

"Sorry, no time. Come with me. We need to help Abraham!"

(Roll not required - Madavian is a Friend, Madavian has Trait: Reckless.)

"Alright, let's go."

Ulos ran back down with Madavian, too out-of-breath to explain.

(Running Roll - 97 + 10 (Phys) = 107 vs DC 80, Failure DC 20. Critical success! Time used heavily reduced!)

The two pelted back, covering ground quickly, Madavian bursting into a huge smile on the way. What he thought was happening, Ulos wasn't sure, but he was glad he was alongside him. Ulos rarely ran, and the Curse left him short of breath more often than not, but it lay lightly on his shoulders today, and he was able to move without issue.

Back into the bathroom, where the blue-haired boy still lay on the floor, Abraham slouching against a wall, jumping as they came in.

Madavian looked down.

"Is that Senator Aleivas's son? Thomas?"

He looked shocked.

"What happening here. Ulos, quickly. Explain."

"Abraham, stop me if I'm wrong, but I think I understand. Basically, the Narubite students have been trying to get Abraham out of 'their' block, this guy is Abraham's roommate. He didn't turn up for the last few study groups, and the last time he did turn up he was really wet. Far as I can tell, they've been screwing with him to make him drop out. I heard.. Thomas corner him in the bathroom, and say some pretty horrible shit about Abraham and his family. Abraham hit him, and here we are."

Madavian looked down.

"Saint's tits on a pig, Ulos. When you get into trouble, you don't do things by halves, do you?"

He closed his eyes for a second, calculating.

"Ok. Way I see it, we have a couple of options. Firstly, I negotiate with Thomas for you. Quid quo pro, Abraham leaves the block and maybe I owe him a favour. You're a friend, but if I owe someone a favour because of you, you owe me a favour, and so would Abraham. Not sure it'd work, though. We could lie, which is a pretty good idea, unless Thomas finds out I was involved. If he did... well, you'd both owe me pretty big. Not saying we're not friends, but if Father writes and asks me why I spent so much political capital, I'd better have something to show for it. If he doesn't, though, it lets me wash my hands of the affair in public."

"Sunette's up at Abraham's room as well, if that helps."

"Yeah, it'd make a lie easier to spin. She's Kerek, I'm Junotrin. If we both say the same thing, well, there's a reason Father never gets invited to those fancy Kerek parties, and it has nothing to do with his manners. Unlikely we'd both say the same thing unless it was true, y'know? Lastly, we can threaten him with a lie. I don't owe him a favour, but he probably gets pretty pissed at us. Means we keep it out of the teacher's sight for now."

Due to your Extra Time, you are able to get Sunette without penalty.

Ulos dashed off.

"Sunette!"

She was standing at Abraham's door, looking in.

"Ulos... look at this."

They looked in. There were two beds in the room, not bunks like his and Madavian's. One cupboard had a broken lock, and the books in there (library books, no less!) were heavily defaced. The covers torn off, and random pages torn out. One of the beds had no blankets or sheets, and the mattress was soaking wet.

"I can't believe they did this to him."

Ulos smiled mirthlessly.

"I can. He's a flit, Sunette. You want to come help Abraham, or are you out?"

(Roll: Sunette Assistance. 4 + 30 (Friend) - 10 (Cautious) = 24 vs DC 50. Roll beneath 5 is an automatic critical failure! Sunette is no longer accessible during this Crisis)

"I... Ulos, I can't. What if they go for me next? Madavian doesn't have to worry about it, but it's not like Family Kerek is going to fight for me if it really comes to that. They'll just cut their losses, unenrol me, and send me home. I'm sorry."

Ulos looked at her, contempt clear on his face.

"Do what you have to, Sunette. I don't know why I thought you'd do anything else."

He turned and walked away, ignoring the apologies behind him.

"Hey, Madavian. Sunette's not helping. We're going to have to do this on our own. Abraham's room is trashed, though. They took his sheets, ruined his library books, dumped water on his bed..."

Madavian looked at him, suddenly calculating.

"We can bargain with that."

He reached down, rifling through Thomas's pockets.

"Got his keys. Given we all share the same two basic texts, we can steal his books, and use them as leverage. What do you think, Ulos?"

[ ] Commence Negotiations - You're going to need to bargain if you're going to get out of this one without a new enemy. Let Madavian wake Thomas up and work his magic. Madavian will owe Thomas a Favour. You and Abraham will both owe Madavian Favours. Abraham will be found another room eventually, but may need to sleep on your floor for awhile. Due to your discovery of the damage to Abraham's room, you can force Thomas to pay for replacement books.

+
Defuses the situation as best as you can, less future issues.
+ No Rival gained.
+ No book issues.
- Abraham will have to crash on your floor for awhile, making your study suffer.
- Madavian owing Thomas a Favour could end badly.
- Thomas gets away pretty much unscathed for what he's done.


[ ] Spin a Lie - Figure out what "really" happened here. Make a pretty good coherent lie you can all stick to, and Abraham probably gets away with moderate punishment due to Madavian using his status to shield him. No Favours owed. Due to involving the teachers, Abraham will get a new room quickly. Thomas becomes a Rival (Hatred). Due to your discovery of the books, you can use this to get the teachers to force Thomas to replace the books.

+
Nuclear option, no going back after this.
+ If it works, the teachers are on your side for any future issues with Thomas.
+ No Favours owed.
+ No need to pack three people into your tiny room.
- You now have a rich, politically connected Rival who has a lot of Narubite friends.
- You have all the political power of a flit from the Empire to oppose him with.
- Madavian now needs to not oppose Thomas in public to prevent his involvement coming out. You're probably gonna suffer.
- Seriously, do you want to piss off the extremely nationalistic equivalent of Draco Malfoy?


[ ] Threaten Thomas - Bargain? With this piece of crap? No, Ulos does not negotiate with terrorists. Firstly, make up a story. You have the room, the books, and Thomas's words as proof. If he doesn't comply, you take his stuff, go to the teachers. Take his stuff, and give him Abraham's shitty stuff in return. Textbook Chits are pretty interchangeable - Abraham can go return those books and borrow a new set of his textbooks. May as well loot the rest of his cupboard while you're at it, give him a taste of his own medicine. You and Abraham both owe Madavian Favours. No teacher involvement or agreement between the parties. Abraham will not get a new room. Thomas becomes a Rival (Hatred). Due to your discovery of the Books, you can loot Thomas's cupboard. Gain some quantity of Items, some quantity of Coins commensurate with the wealth of a Senator's Scion.

+ Maximum risk, maximum reward.
+ Favour owed, but not by Madavian.
+ Major item and wealth gain.
+ Weakens Thomas in terms of items and study ability when it comes to later confrontation.
+ Satisfying. Fuck that guy.
- You now have a rich, politically connected Rival who has a lot of Narubite friends, though Madavian is publically backing you.
- Abraham will now need to crash on your floor indefinitely, making your study suffer. (though you might have the money to remedy that...)
- Will require ongoing investment to ensure Abraham doesn't bring this up again and screw you.
- If the teachers find out you could be in all sorts of trouble.

Note - once a primary course of action has been decided, voting will be opened for a number of sub-options to modify it fully (you might be able to drop the Book issue, for instance in return for a concession elsewhere if negotiating).



There is also a second vote for Sunette's Relationship below.
 
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[X] Threaten Thomas
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy


Why are y'all wanting to give Thomas power over us? What he did is clearly wrong, and getting back at him because of it will be easy. This way, none of us owe him favors and while we end up with an enemy the other choices would end up with it too, or entail giving this guy power while leaving him unscathed. It's literally just bribing him, and bribing scum leads to nothing good.
 
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1.2.2 A - Sunette Vote
Ulos is pretty pissed. Sunette and him were somewhat tight, and she just abandoned him in his (well, Abraham's) moment of need.

While he's fuming and Madavian is talking things over, he's also deciding just what he thinks of her.

[ ] Cowardly Betrayer - Ulos will abandon her entirely. It's one thing to be the Neville Longbottom of your team, it's another entirely to be the Peter Pettigrew. Relationship with Sunette removed. Sunette not welcome back at the Study Group, which will disband until Ulos finds a new member. Ulos will gain Trait: Judges Cowardice (Will judge other characters more harshly for their actions. Will also judge himself more harshly - more likely to take brave actions like the one he has just taken. Unlocks new Actions from time to time.)

[ ] Indecisive and Untrustworthy -
After the anger goes down a bit, Ulos understands. He would've done the same thing, but for his temper which always seems to lead him into situations that aren't the best. Keeping your head low when you're not one of the upper class is smart, and he's only done otherwise because he's in an alien world where he's worth something. Still, Sunette isn't worth much when the chips are down, and certainly not worth much as a friend. Ulos will keep her in the Study Group, but he'll no longer try and progress his Relationship with her, which be locked at Acquaintance. Ulos will gain Trait: True Friend or No Friend (Only those who are willing to help when things are bad are worth having as friends. Ulos gains +30 to all Relationship rolls for characters of Friend status or above, but if his friends do not stand by him when he asks them to, the Relationship will immediately downgrade to Acquaintance.)

[ ] Doing What She Had To -
Ulos understands. He'd have done the same, if something hadn't screamed out at the injustice of it all. If it had been a Vorstallen, would he have even interfered? It's not like he went around searching for injustice to fight. This was his fight, but that didn't mean it was Sunette's. No changes to Sunette Relationship. Ulos will gain Trait: Forgiving (More likely to forgive friends for their shortcomings and betrayals. Less likely to see said betrayals coming, however. May be blindsided in the future).
 
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[X] Cowardly Betrayer - Ulos will abandon her entirely. It's one thing to be the Neville Longbottom of your team, it's another entirely to be the Peter Pettigrew. Not welcome back at the Study Group, which will disband until Ulos finds a new member. Ulos will gain Trait: Judges Cowardice (Will judge other characters more harshly for their actions. Will also judge himself more harshly - more likely to take brave actions like the one he has just taken. Unlocks new Actions from time to time.)
 
[X] Spin a Lie
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy

Draco Malfoy. Hello!
 
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[X] Doing What She Had To - Ulos understands. He'd have done the same, if something hadn't screamed out at the injustice of it all. If it had been a Vorstallen, would he have even interfered? No changes to Sunette Relationship. Ulos will gain Trait: Forgiving (More likely to forgive friends for their shortcomings and betrayals. Less likely to see said betrayals coming, however. May be blindsided in the future).

not sure for the other question, but that's not nearly a major enough thing for calling her a betrayer.(she didn't help, she also didn't hurt), plus they've only known each other for a couple weeks. Indecisive is plausible, but, as above, they aren't really close friends yet.

Edit: i could see a setback in their friendship, in fact i would expect one. However, deciding to never be friends because she was afraid of risking herself to help someone she has known for a couple of weeks is pretty extreme.

Edit 2: i didn't think about the traits. They're all bad, but the first two traits make me think of ulos as an idiot whenever i read them, so i'm still sticking with the last one.
 
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[X] Threaten Thomas

Either this or commencing negotiations, spinning a lie is too risky (well, not risky, but it leaves us in a really bad situation).

[X] Cowardly Betrayer

Like this trait the best and not a fan of the trait we gain by "Indecisive and Untrustworthy", would rather not have friend drop to acquaintances because of bad rolls to request help.
 
I would really rather avoid having a massive target on our backs so, negotiating seems very tempting.

Yeah, negotiating is by far the least risky option. A (relatively) known loss for a (relatively) known outcome. Thomas isn't about to pick a major fight with Madavian unless he really has to, so it means a deescalation of the conflict immediately.

Of course, it means you basically give Thomas what he wants in return for him not trying to expel Abraham, which definitely feels like a loss.
 
[X] Commence Negotiations
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy

I would vote to threaten him if I thought we could get away with it. I don't, so I think it's time to minimize damages.
 
[X] Threaten Thomas
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy


EDIT: Changed vote to threaten
 
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I would vote to threaten him if I thought we could get away with it. I don't, so I think it's time to minimize damages.

Whatever option you take at this point is almost guaranteed to succeed in the short-term. The real question is what long-term consequences you want to accept. Making an enemy would give Ulos focus, and given what Thomas has been doing it's arguable he's the sort of person you might want as an enemy if you had to have one. Commence Negotiations has the lowest risk, but also the smallest expected gain. All you gain is the status quo with Abraham, and in return you owe a bunch of Favors and you take a studying malus.

Spin a Lie offers massive damage to Thomas and his reputation with the teachers at the cost of having to essentially defend yourself. Keep in mind you'll have Abraham on-side (who is huge and will hardly be forgetting this), so most physical assaults early on won't take. He's also got a decent Channeling score, so with your help he can develop into a pretty potent combat force. You'll also get Abraham a new room, so zero penalty to studying at all. Admittedly, the long-term repercussions could be really tough.

Conversely, Threaten Thomas offers less damage to Thomas as such, but gives you more significant gains, which could help you get ahead early. If you managed to steal everything out of his cupboard, you might even end up with an Artifact! You'd definitely be getting a good amount of money, though, at the very least. Sure, theft is wrong in the technical sense, but it's not as if he'd be able to prove it, and he wouldn't want to get into a reputation slugging match anyway. It sets up a pretty significant Rival, but a Senator's Scion from Narubar was never really going to be on your side anyway. Getting extra books, extra money, extra items... these are all things that could really give you a critical boost early on! Of course, if you're found out...
 
Threaten is so satisfying but we can only do so much and threats are meaningless if we can't follow it up.
[X] Commence Negotiations
[X] Doing What She Had To

Guys? Indecisive trait is bad, like really bad if we fail to persuade a friend/potential ally they automatically capped as Acquaintance this is not good.
 

Like this trait the best and not a fan of the trait we gain by "Indecisive and Untrustworthy", would rather not have friend drop to acquaintances because of bad rolls to request help.

All the Traits are on average neutral in power, and if leveraged correctly give Ulos an advantage. They're more important strictly speaking for roleplaying purposes (as the game goes on, Traits will determine Ulos's character and how he tends to react to things as well, it's one of the reasons I've avoided giving too much backstory or characterisation for him thus far, as I want the thread to be able to determine a lot of this).

Judges Cowardice is good in the sense that it makes you braver, but it also means you're less able to befriend the cowardly. This pushes you in a pretty Gryffindor direction - you don't always want to help people out or get engaged in problems or go on dangerous adventures. It will unlock riskier Actions, which isn't a bad thing, but if all your friends need to be brave as well,

True Friend or No Friend is quite powerful if leveraged correctly. As long as you only ask for help for really important things, you can just level up a couple of crucial friendships. Get those Relationships high enough, and they're very unlikely to ever refuse you a request. Of course, it prioritizes a few deep friendships over a wide social network, but it does paper over Ulos's shitty Diplomacy in general in some small way.

Forgiving offers a general small bonus (Ulos is less likely to get pissed off at his friends for reasons) for a smaller chance of a major penalty (Ulos gets betrayed and screwed over, doesn't see it coming). Being a slightly better friend means you're less likely to face loss of Relationship points, so you can invest in building a wider network of friends and ensure that any one of them betraying you be less crucially damaging to you.

Threaten is so satisfying but we can only do so much and threats are meaningless if we can't follow it up.
[X] Commence Negotiations
[X] Doing What She Had To

Guys? Indecisive trait is bad, like really bad if we fail to persuade a friend/potential ally they automatically capped as Acquaintance this is not good.

You don't really need to follow it up. You've got people, and you're willing to go to the teachers. It's not as if the teachers are going to expel the Scion of one of the Five Families, so Thomas sort of has to bend over and take it in the short term. In the long term, though, he's going to want to fuck you over, but he'll need to create those opportunities himself.

True Friend or No Friend also offers a 50% chance of Relationship improvement on your average roll, up from 20% which is Ulos's current chance (given his 2 Charisma). Once you get someone to Friend status, you can absolutely supercharge that Relationship and get really close really quickly. It comes with risks, but the rewards are pretty good, too.
 
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy
[X] Threaten Thomas


This is risky, but it could be very much worth it and I get the impression this jackass will be more trouble in the future even if we negotiate. We actually took one of the few backgrounds I can see taking this risk pretty easily.

Even if we're found out, we don't need to worry about someone reporting Ulos' actions to his parents or his Clan benefactor or whatever- he's paid up and his money is his own. There's still a ton of money in the bank for him, even if he did get kicked out I could see him enrolling at one of the other local schools. And kicking out a foreign kid who has personally paid for their education over locals who are engaged in really overt bigotry would not be a precedent I'd want publically or privately set if I were running the school.

That's not to say this couldn't turn out really, really bad, but it could turn out really well for us as well and as I said- does anyone seriously thing this 'Madavian owes Thomas a favor' will be that much less trouble for us than having Thomas as a rival who hates 'Abraham and Madavian and incidentally that other flit kid they hang out with'?

The potential item and wealth gain could be a big thing. 'Compounded Advantage'. Say it with me! We use the advantages we gain from this to gain other advantages and so on.
 
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Even if we're found out, we don't need to worry about someone reporting Ulos' actions to his parents or his Clan benefactor or whatever- he's paid up and his money is his own. There's still a ton of money in the bank for him, even if he did get kicked out I could see him enrolling at one of the other local schools. And kicking out a foreign kid who has personally paid for their education over locals who are engaged in really overt bigotry would not be a precedent I'd want publically or privately set if I were running the school.

Thomas isn't a local, he's a Narubite. His political power primarily comes from 'let's not piss off part of the ruling class of Narubar', not local wealth and influence. He'll be able to exert some influence on Narubite teachers, but the main source of his power will be the fact that if you're from Narubar, you stick together. He'll be able to use other Narubite students against you, though to be honest they were never going to be your biggest fans anyway.

Also, in the long run, the better Ulos performs, the less risk he suffers in terms of teacher payback. A top performer in Magical Theory isn't someone you want to kick out, regardless of their background. If you qualified for Personal Tutoring and then got expelled, most schools would be happy to take a prodigy like that.

they're capped until they make up for their failure


Only Sunette is capped due to this decision. Your friends who don't support you are just downgraded, not capped. Keep in mind you can avoid this fate by not asking your friends to back you up (unless it's worth risking the Relationship), and if the Relationship is strong enough they'll often come to your aid of their own accord.
 
Okay I'm convinced
[X] Indecisive and Untrustworthy
[X] Threaten Thomas

Besides stealing we should also perform some incendiary action y'know to mirror his action using water, it would be fun and nothing bad could ever come with this action.
 
Thomas isn't a local, he's a Narubite. His political power primarily comes from 'let's not piss off part of the ruling class of Narubar', not local wealth and influence. He'll be able to exert some influence on Narubite teachers, but the main source of his power will be the fact that if you're from Narubar, you stick together. He'll be able to use other Narubite students against you, though to be honest they were never going to be your biggest fans anyway.

Also, in the long run, the better Ulos performs, the less risk he suffers in terms of teacher payback. A top performer in Magical Theory isn't someone you want to kick out, regardless of their background. If you qualified for Personal Tutoring and then got expelled, most schools would be happy to take a prodigy like that.




Only Sunette is capped due to this decision. Your friends who don't support you are just downgraded, not capped. Keep in mind you can avoid this fate by not asking your friends to back you up (unless it's worth risking the Relationship), and if the Relationship is strong enough they'll often come to your aid of their own accord.
Aka we can steal all of his stuff, dive into intense MT Study Sessions, and not suffer if we make ourselves worthwhile to the point that the teachers will ignore our theft and etc.

Or, we can ignore the short term benefits, hurt him reputationally, get teachers on our side so that we can follow the path toward Souls and Spirits we're already on, and be forced to face him w/ no allies of significant political strength.

Which of these choices sets up the morality we want for Ulos? Do we want him to be thuggish or an "I'll call the teacher!!" type?
 
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