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tankdrop24 said:
Chaos is weird because it feels both over and underused in a sense. Like yeah, they're the big, overarching threat ninety percent of the time, but like, whenever they are it's almost always the damn Chaos Marines in charge. Maybe demons on occasion, but the mortal followers almost never get any kind of serious attention. Like do the Red Corsairs really need to be Space Marines instead of their own bespoke Chaos Space Pirate faction? Does Fabius Bile really need to be a marine?

Why is it that after for most of the game cults being primarily a chaos thing when they finally add a cult faction to the game, they're tyranid aligned?
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That is why i think Abbadon was a misstep, and the setting could have benefited from having a bunch of different Warmasters, as it could give a chances for non-marines to take charge of Black Crusades and give a major spotlight event for those aspects of the chaos forces.
 
Another random aspect is...why is so much of Chaos human? That also feels very limiting. Like I remember one of Abnett's had these weird Chaos Aliens that lived in a planet of non-euclidean geometry and they were pretty cool so I wish there was more of that kind of thing
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Another random aspect is...why is so much of Chaos human? That also feels very limiting. Like I remember one of Abnett's had these weird Chaos Aliens that lived in a planet of non-euclidean geometry and they were pretty cool so I wish there was more of that kind of thing
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Humanity is the most widespread species susceptible to Chaos corruption (Orks are most numerous period but they don't tend to become Chaos cultists) and the Emperor is human and Anathema.

It can also be the case that there aren't many psychically active species out there, because the Tau only encountered Psykers after integrating human worlds and thought for a long time Psykers were a human racial quirk.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Another random aspect is...why is so much of Chaos human? That also feels very limiting. Like I remember one of Abnett's had these weird Chaos Aliens that lived in a planet of non-euclidean geometry and they were pretty cool so I wish there was more of that kind of thing
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The question is: Who else? It's not like there are very many species of aliens really worked out. Eldar have the Dark Eldar, Orcs are protected by their Waagh fields, and Tau by their small presence in the warp. And uh... that's it, basically.

Sure, you have all those minor species, but... the vile xenos species fallen to chaos is a dime a dozen, too. If at all, that is basically Imperium propaganda about xenos manifest. Gee, it just so happens that half of all minor xenos species seem entirely fallen to Chaos.
 
I like Abaddon a lot, but one thing I wish would get some more focus is the fact of the Black Legion being made up of warbands, and the powerful warlords who've given him their fealty. I'd like a Space Marine Battles/Conquest book or two where the likes of Telemachon or Vortigern are the primary antagonist of the story.
 
Honestly
MysticKnightJoe said:
Another random aspect is...why is so much of Chaos human? That also feels very limiting. Like I remember one of Abnett's had these weird Chaos Aliens that lived in a planet of non-euclidean geometry and they were pretty cool so I wish there was more of that kind of thing
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Basically humans might have the brightest souls in the most mailable number, mind you this is a probably one of many Warhammer Fantasy things still in (or added to) 40K, that and less room for the Big Four to have to deal with lesser gods. Because in fantasy you do have outright Chaos worshipping elves (That aren't worshipping Khaine or Atharti) Chaos Dwarves that worship Hashut, Skaven the worship the Great Horned Rat, and the Beastmen and then lesser used races like the Fimir although they do worship the Big Four. Otherwise it's mainly Norscans, and to a lesser extent the Mung and Kurgan that make up the bulk of forces of Chaos.

Even though while the Warriors of Chaos are somewhat comparable to Chaos Space Marines, they are not a pigeonholed group in contrast. You can have anything from native warriors who seem become a chosen champion as honoring their gods, to traitors from say the Empire or Bretonnia, and not a group with one overarchingly common backstory to them.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Another random aspect is...why is so much of Chaos human? That also feels very limiting. Like I remember one of Abnett's had these weird Chaos Aliens that lived in a planet of non-euclidean geometry and they were pretty cool so I wish there was more of that kind of thing
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Humans: Lots of them
Tau: Too little soul, basically non-sentient despite Ethereal lies
Tyranids: Too much soul, Hive Mind might decide to ascend if given the hint and nobody wants that
Elves: How do you think we got a fourth Chaos God in the first place
Other Aliens: Either dead or in such small numbers that they might as well be.
 
Mutton said:
Humans: Lots of them
Tau: Too little soul, basically non-sentient despite Ethereal lies
Tyranids: Too much soul, Hive Mind might decide to ascend if given the hint and nobody wants that
Elves: How do you think we got a fourth Chaos God in the first place
Other Aliens: Either dead or in such small numbers that they might as well be.
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Tau are plenty sentient...though yeah "Chaos Tau" just always feels extremely lame.
 
Or more realistically, its cause it'd be hard to make a bunch of bespoke molds for weird aliens. its the same reason the infinite ravening madness of chaos manifests in like two dozens forms of demons tops
 
I have no idea how unpopular this is, but Murder Drones, the previous project of GLITCH before The Amazing Digital Circus, is...not very good? MD has its character designs do a lot of heavy lifting, but the story is all over the place, with constant whiplashing tone shifts, mystery boxes not properly explained even at the end of the story, and a story that seems undecided on whether it wants to be slice of life or plot heavy so it mixes both horribly.

It had a good premise and good pilot episode, but it went downhill after that. Circus is much more tightly plotted and has better character writing.
Miath said:
Ah, Cornwell's Arthur... I detest Cornwell's Arthur so much. This sentence is short because it's hard to properly word how much I dislike his take on the character.
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I was thinking the same thing, lmao.

Cornwell only knows how to write one thing and he did it for both the Warlord Chronicles and the Last Kingdom books, which is the self-insert pagan who acts in every regard like an atheist being the real hero while the actual famous people IRL are usually idiots and hopelessly dependent on him because they're effete Christians who fail at everything.

He perfected the art of writing the exact same hackened premise.
 
all fictions said:
I have no idea how unpopular this is, but Murder Drones, the previous project of GLITCH before The Amazing Digital Circus, is...not very good? MD has its character designs do a lot of heavy lifting, but the story is all over the place, with constant whiplashing tone shifts, mystery boxes not properly explained even at the end of the story, and a story that seems undecided on whether it wants to be slice of life or plot heavy so it mixes both horribly.

It had a good premise and good pilot episode, but it went downhill after that. Circus is much more tightly plotted and has better character writing.

I was thinking the same thing, lmao.

Cornwell only knows how to write one thing and he did it for both the Warlord Chronicles and the Last Kingdom books, which is the self-insert pagan who acts in every regard like an atheist being the real hero while the actual famous people IRL are usually idiots and hopelessly dependent on him because they're effete Christians who fail at everything.

He perfected the art of writing the exact same hackened premise.
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Murder Drones is so bad lol. I watched a few episodes, kind of unbearable in general. Cute aesthetic, but they destroy a mood every single time one is established because they really obviously grew up on like, fandom comedy routines in the comment section of someone else's idea? Where everyone is memeing on whatever just happened in an actual story or applying tropes from Avengers fanfics to someone's interesting original thought.

_MC almost dies, barely evading an attack from a genocidal killbot_
"Boy, I'm sure glad I pirated all that anime!"

Just awful.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Tau are plenty sentient...though yeah "Chaos Tau" just always feels extremely lame.
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Yeah. Tau's hat, more than anything, is being the faction that is completely out of place in 40k. That includes Chaos having a hell of a time getting their hooks in.

Edit - Like, I'm sure you CAN corrupt a Tau. I just imagine it's generally not easy to the point that a Tau Chaos cult would be struggling to ever get off the ground. There's just much more friction compared to corrupting humans.

Kaiya said:
Just awful.
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It seems like something that would have been really cool . . . like 16 years ago. Y'know, back when Monty Om was dropping dead fantasy. Now, it doesn't really stand out.
 
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all fictions said:
I was thinking the same thing, lmao.

Cornwell only knows how to write one thing and he did it for both the Warlord Chronicles and the Last Kingdom books, which is the self-insert pagan who acts in every regard like an atheist being the real hero while the actual famous people IRL are usually idiots and hopelessly dependent on him because they're effete Christians who fail at everything.

He perfected the art of writing the exact same hackened premise.
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I will say I think that Warlord Chronicles does dodge a little because both Arthur and Derfal are like...modern atheist guys. You never get a great sense of him as a great leader aside from being really good at combat and leading dudes into battle

Also having Lancelot be a dick is kind of funny but having your OC take him out easy feels kind of weird.
 
Not sure how unpopular this is, but I'm not so sure about how useful the use of Christian interpretations and mythology can be when examining an anime that takes a lot of aesthetics from Christianity.

I think it's been said that in Japan, Christianity is to Japan as ancient Greek mythology is to most folks in America. Just a cool stage they can take symbolism and characters from.

Like, how much can Evangelion be examined through Christianity or Jewish religion?
 
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MysticKnightJoe said:
Tau are plenty sentient...though yeah "Chaos Tau" just always feels extremely lame.
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View: https://castellankurze.tumblr.com/post/722497722279706624/chadfarsight-castellankurze-knowing-that-the-tau

I think there's potential.

all fictions said:
I have no idea how unpopular this is, but Murder Drones, the previous project of GLITCH before The Amazing Digital Circus, is...not very good? MD has its character designs do a lot of heavy lifting, but the story is all over the place, with constant whiplashing tone shifts, mystery boxes not properly explained even at the end of the story, and a story that seems undecided on whether it wants to be slice of life or plot heavy so it mixes both horribly.

It had a good premise and good pilot episode, but it went downhill after that. Circus is much more tightly plotted and has better character writing.
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Oh thank Jesus I thought I was the only one.
 
This is the Fourth Sphere, the whole point is that they got Chaos touched so Tau fanboys who cannot stand the idea that their faction ever does bad things can use them as sin eaters
 
Probably still do orders of magnitude lesser evil than your average Chaos Space Marine.
 
SzechuanSauce said:
Not sure how unpopular this is, but I'm not so sure about how useful the use of Christian interpretations and mythology can be when examining an anime that takes a lot of aesthetics from Christianity.

I think it's been said that in Japan, Christianity is to Japan as ancient Greek mythology is to most folks in America. Just a cool stage they can take symbolism and characters from.

Like, how much can Evangelion be examined through Christianity or Jewish religion?
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In theory possibly a hell a lot, but it might not be in the places you expect, maybe elements of the plot and characters but this would be in spite of what said anime or manga might use. But then again with most religions once you get past a few commonalities across teachings there's room for a lot of debate. Then again, few anime and manga might rarely touch on any Abrahamic faith usually Christianity (well lets be honest Roman Catholicism) outside of a few surface bits that might have very little to do with anything.
 
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Wateryblue said:
... Well I still don't see that as problematic...


Anyhow thread tax: I watched a couple more Nagatoro episodes, I still don't know why people had a problem with the romance (other than the harsh beginnings of the manga which the anime wisely decided to do differently) sure she's a bit of a brat to Senpai but they really do like each other and it's mostly teasing and ribbing that they both engage in (well Senpai is more of a good natured ribbing guy rather than a tease like Nagatoro), I'm just saying people trying to say it glorifies abuse aren't really watching the show (or they just go by the first manga chapters.... And to a lesser extent I guess the first episode of the anime, but it does portray Nagatoro as in the wrong)
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Part of it might also be a reaction to the mangaka doing quite a bit of NSFW art involving girls abusing a hapless boy, with Nagatoro's initial premise just being that but more SFW. But yeah, past the first couple eps it's a very standard teen romcom (I suppose the 1st ep is a kind of filter?)
 
Triggerhappy said:
Yeah. Tau's hat, more than anything, is being the faction that is completely out of place in 40k. That includes Chaos having a hell of a time getting their hooks in.

Edit - Like, I'm sure you CAN corrupt a Tau. I just imagine it's generally not easy to the point that a Tau Chaos cult would be struggling to ever get off the ground. There's just much more friction compared to corrupting humans.



It seems like something that would have been really cool . . . like 16 years ago. Y'know, back when Monty Om was dropping dead fantasy. Now, it doesn't really stand out.
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I mean, 16 years ago I hated Monty Om's stuff so.
 
Mutton said:
Humans: Lots of them
Tau: Too little soul, basically non-sentient despite Ethereal lies
Tyranids: Too much soul, Hive Mind might decide to ascend if given the hint and nobody wants that
Elves: How do you think we got a fourth Chaos God in the first place
Other Aliens: Either dead or in such small numbers that they might as well be.
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Nah, that's just Thermian Argument, real reason is that writers hate humans and think no other species could ever fall to Chaos, only humans are stupid enough to do so. They are racist against humans /s
 
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