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MysticKnightJoe said:
Well for a given level of evil...honestly the thing that bugs me the most about the original traitors is that how have they not gotten down to recruits from Deamon Worlds yet? Every character who pops up is from the original Horus Heresy. You get lip service to then being ground down but they just kinda aren't.
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There's a collection of shorts (I think it's Treacheries of the Space Marines) with a framing device where an old Chaos dreadnought puts out a message for a competition to inherit his stuff because he's tired from the war and wants to off himself. When a bunch of Chaos marines show up, he declares the winner will be the one who can tell him the best story. As the stories go by, the old dreadnought gets more and more irate until at the end he throws a fit because nobody's told a story from the Heresy and the twist is that it turns out none of the Chaos marines who showed up were actually there - they're all later recruits. He starts attacking people and the group scatters.
 
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Kuja said:
There's a collection of shorts (I think it's Treacheries of the Space Marines) with a framing device where an old Chaos dreadnought puts out a message for a competition to inherit his stuff because he's tired from the war and wants to off himself. When a bunch of Chaos marines show up, he declares the winner will be the one who can tell him the best story. As the stories go by, the old dreadnought gets more and more irate until at the end he throws a fit because nobody's told a story from the Heresy and the twist is that it turns out none of the Chaos marines who showed up were actually there - they're all later recruits. He starts attacking people and the group scatters.
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That's amazing, I'll have to track that one down!

For a tax: I really didn't care for a lot of the world-building FF7 Rebirth did. Especially just having the Moogles show up. And I love Moogles, big fan of Moogles. But FF7 the original did this cool thing where it was set on this dying earth and Moogles only existed as half-remembered fairy tales and mascots for a sleazy amusement park. You had a summon, sure, but summons felt a little separate from actual reality. But in Rebirth you just have Moogles and their trees dotted around and do this silly minigame with them, and I think that really cheapened the pretty dour world-building FF7 is built on. Not the only "whimsy injector" I kind of didn't like in Rebirth, but definitely the most obvious. At least it was optional.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Well for a given level of evil...honestly the thing that bugs me the most about the original traitors is that how have they not gotten down to recruits from Deamon Worlds yet? Every character who pops up is from the original Horus Heresy. You get lip service to then being ground down but they just kinda aren't.
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Pretty sure CSM do get recruits from Daemon Worlds, and others. It's just that "veterans of the Long War who knows the heroes from the myths" is more interesting characterization than "stark raving mad daemon worshipper"
 
Reveen said:
While they're by intention a spin on Kryptonians the thing that makes the Viltrumites in Invincible most distinct is inheriting one of the most compelling qualities of the Saiyans: AKA they can bleed and get their asses properly kicked if you hit them hard enough.

In fact, a lot of Invincible is incredibly American DBZ coded. The Viltrumites being a warrior species that sends it's people to planets and it better be conquered when we come back for you is the main facet of it, but by no means the only one.

(Like how the canonical hero best pal is a wacky coloured alien from somewhat less powerful badass race but also he's a goofball like Krillin and has one eye like TIen. Also the Yamcha can actually do shit.)
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Invincible is basically Dragon Ball Z and DC with a dash of Star Wars thrown in.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
Well for a given level of evil...honestly the thing that bugs me the most about the original traitors is that how have they not gotten down to recruits from Deamon Worlds yet? Every character who pops up is from the original Horus Heresy. You get lip service to then being ground down but they just kinda aren't.
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TBh, I just tend to assume that most of the ones who claim that are talking complete and total cock in a desperate effort to sound cool. :p (and cope over kinda sucking next to Loyalist SMs)
 
Mandemon said:
Pretty sure CSM do get recruits from Daemon Worlds, and others. It's just that "veterans of the Long War who knows the heroes from the myths" is more interesting characterization than "stark raving mad daemon worshipper"
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I feel like that limit doesn't need to be placed on CSMs from Daemon Worlds though? Bulk of CSMs are Chaos worshippers and they manage to get some characterization to some extent
 
Jace from MtG seems... fine? 100% fucking up in the latest story. Villain of the arc, no doubt of that, but he doesn't seem to deserve the reputation you hear about him.
 
Queshire said:
Jace from MtG seems... fine? 100% fucking up in the latest story. Villain of the arc, no doubt of that, but he doesn't seem to deserve the reputation you hear about him.
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While I haven't read the latest story, one suspects his reputation might be somewhat influenced by his long history of appearing on cards that are both overpowered and annoying to play against.
 
A lot of the dislike of Jace stems heavily from gameplay, yeah, most notably the stupidly powerful card that is Jace the Mind Sculptor.
 
The idea of Magic Lore is a little funny to me, aside from the general idea of settings like the big Magic City and stuff. The idea it has an overarching story and characters surprises me a bit
 
Kaiya said:
...what? They're enemy elite infantry from a major schism in a huge military power, none of them are fallen ultra paragons of pure brightness. They were a bunch of genocidal supersoldiers while they were loyalist, now they just kill humans too.
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what i mean is that they are just terminally overused, honestly
 
Kaiya said:
...what? They're enemy elite infantry from a major schism in a huge military power, none of them are fallen ultra paragons of pure brightness. They were a bunch of genocidal supersoldiers while they were loyalist, now they just kill humans too.
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To be specific, they killed plenty of innocent humans back when they were loyalists too ("compliance" etc).

Which just adds to your point really :V
 
tankdrop24 said:
what i mean is that they are just terminally overused, honestly
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I think Chaos in general is overused in 40k. It all is just steadily turning into Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo, with the Chaos Marines the sole enemy allowed to show up. Doesn't mean I dislike them, some of my favorite characters in the setting are Chaos Marines. But it is another victim of Warhammer getting super narrowed in focus
 
Saidoro said:
While I haven't read the latest story, one suspects his reputation might be somewhat influenced by his long history of appearing on cards that are both overpowered and annoying to play against.
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Has he? Jace the Mind Sculptor was a big card, but there are plenty of characters from cards that don't have the same amount of hate despite being similarly power. And that's really the card of his that was super good. A decent amount of the hate of Jace from my perspective stemmed from a lot of his lore/characterization pre-Amonket/Ixalan. But that's 8 years ago now.
 
I think part of it might be that people hate fighting against Blue with its counterspells and No U buttons? And Jace has been the Blue Planeswalker representative who will not let you Play The Game for a while at this point, even before you get to Mind Sculptor.

Also, Magic's been around for decades, even if Jace is less of a hate-able character now than before 8 years ago, that still means he was a hateable character for like 3/4ths of his time in existence. People's memories for that are long.
 
The annoying thing about Jace is that other, cooler Planeswalkers keep getting hit with troubles either mechanically or in story. Look at what they did to Tamaiyo, for example. Meanwhile Jace keeps skating. Mr Living Guildpact shoulda got his ass torched by Chandra years ago.
 
foamy said:
The annoying thing about Jace is that other, cooler Planeswalkers keep getting hit with troubles either mechanically or in story. Look at what they did to Tamaiyo, for example. Meanwhile Jace keeps skating. Mr Living Guildpact shoulda got his ass torched by Chandra years ago.
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Somehow in these things, main character guy always ends up being the most hated character. It's a funny tightrope to walk
 
Jace is in the middle of sabotaging his entire life because if he doesn't act, if he stops, it means having to all the pain from everything with Phyrexia.
 
NotYourParents said:
Also, Magic's been around for decades, even if Jace is less of a hate-able character now than before 8 years ago, that still means he was a hateable character for like 3/4ths of his time in existence. People's memories for that are long.
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Magic has been around since 1993, but Jace has only been around since 2007. So it's more like half his existence, which does point to why he's hated but it's not as lopsided as 3/4's.
 
Also, as I recall, there's a problem where Flavor-Text Jace is every smug Blue player you've ever met, with a lot of his commentary in the flavor text sections of spells, at least early on, being incredibly smug sarcasm and mockery, and while Storyline Jace is... not that, most people are only ever going to see that flavor text featuring him mocking them for getting their big fun spell or creature countered by his incredible genius.

The thing is, not only is this not how Storyline Jace acts... most of the time... it's actually the flavor text authors just copying an existing Blue character's 'arrogant jackass who constantly talks about how much smarter than you he is' personality - IIRC his name was Venser or something - onto Jace, seemingly without noticing that Jace wasn't that specific kind of Blue character.
 
MysticKnightJoe said:
I think Chaos in general is overused in 40k. It all is just steadily turning into Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo, with the Chaos Marines the sole enemy allowed to show up. Doesn't mean I dislike them, some of my favorite characters in the setting are Chaos Marines. But it is another victim of Warhammer getting super narrowed in focus
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Chaos is weird because it feels both over and underused in a sense. Like yeah, they're the big, overarching threat ninety percent of the time, but like, whenever they are it's almost always the damn Chaos Marines in charge. Maybe demons on occasion, but the mortal followers almost never get any kind of serious attention. Like do the Red Corsairs really need to be Space Marines instead of their own bespoke Chaos Space Pirate faction? Does Fabius Bile really need to be a marine?

Why is it that after for most of the game cults being primarily a chaos thing when they finally add a cult faction to the game, they're tyranid aligned?
 
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