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Alright, time for my mandatory Unpopular Opinions Post. Let's get this over with.
"You're late. You know the deal. You can Omelaspost for a Funny, or you can make an interesting post for an Insightful."
Here in Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation, no one chooses to make interesting posts. It's better to make the one joke everyone knows for the Funny, rather than risk your entire life for just one Insightful rating.
"Tomorrow you better not be late, or I'll have you posting for Informative reactions as punishment."
"Yes sir, sorry, I won't be late next time."

Down here, us Omelasposters only get one Rating a day. One Funny rating is just enough to get your post:reaction ratio to the next day. But that's the life of Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation. If you wanna survive, you have to Unpopular Opinions Post. Every Omelasposter has the same goal, and that's to make it to the top thread, where all the Brothers Karamazovposters live. Except, most Brothers Karamazovposters are born on the top thread. If you're an Omelasposter, there's only one way up, and that is through the Temple of Unpopular Opinions. The Temple of Unpopular Opinions is the only structure on SV that combines the bottom thread to the top thread. To make it up, you have to post an impossibly hard Unpopular Opinion Reply that no Omelasposter has ever completed. And that's assuming you even get the chance to post the reply in the thread. The inside of the Temple is protected by a barrier and the only way an Omelasposter gets past the barrier is if they've earned a gilded post. I've never even tried getting a gilded post before, but if I'm going to rank up to a Brothers Karamazovposter one day, I'm gonna have to.
 
ScribePrincess said:
There's also a paragraph that describes every part of a naked woman moving in separate directions when they walk that's just... Gross. lol.
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ScribePrincess said:
I actually can't find it either after downloading a pdf. I looked pretty hard desperate for my chance at an epic bon mot. I got the quote off of goodreads.
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I was able to find the quote in the link I gate. I just think it's... well, it's kinda taken out of context? Here is full scene:

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But at Camp Spooky we could go into town — duty status, conduct status, etc., pennitting. Shuttles ran
to Vancouver every Sunday morning, right after divine services (which were moved up to thirty minutes
after breakfast) and came back again just before supper and again just before taps. The instructors could
even spend Saturday night in town, or cop a three-day pass, duty pennitting.

I had no more than stepped out of the shuttle, my first pass, than I realized in part that I had changed.
Johnnie didn't fit in any longer. Civilian life, I mean. It all seemed amazingly complex and unbelievably
untidy.

I'm not running down Vancouver. It's a beautiful city in a lovely setting; the people are charming and
they are used to having the M. I. in town and they make a trooper welcome. There is a social center for
us downtown, where they have dances for us every week and see to it that junior hostesses are on hand
to dance with, and senior hostesses to make sure that a shy boy {me, to my amazement — but you try a
few months with nothing female around but lady jack rabbits) gets introduced and has a partner's feet to
step on.

But I didn't go to the social center that first pass. Mostly I stood around and gawked — at beautiful
buildings, at display windows filled with all manner of unnecessary things (and not a weapon among
them), at all those people running around, or even strolling, doing exactly as they pleased and no two of
them dressed alike — and at girls.

Especially at girls. I hadn't realized just how wonderful they were. Look, I've approved of girls from the
time I first noticed that the difference was more than just that they dress differently. So far as I remember
I never did go through that period boys are supposed to go through when they know that girls are
different but dislike them; I've always liked girls.

But that day I realized that I had long been taking them for granted.

Girls are simply wonderful. Just to stand on a comer and watch them going past is delightful. They don't
walk. At least not what we do when we walk. I don't know how to describe it, but it's much more
complex and utterly delightful. They don't move just their feet; everything moves and in different
directions... and all of it graceful.

I might have been standing there yet if a policeman hadn't come by. He sized us up and said, "Howdy,
boys. Enjoying yourselves?"

I quickly read the ribbons on his chest and was impressed. " Yes, sir!"


This is essentially Rico returning back to civilian world and seeing a woman since... ages. And suddenly realizing that he had been taking them for granted, that they would always be around. He is not describing naked body here.
 
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ScribePrincess said:
There's also a paragraph that describes every part of a naked woman moving in separate directions when they walk that's just... Gross. lol.

Girls are simply wonderful. Just to stand on a corner and watch them going past is delightful. They don't walk. At least not what we do when we walk. I don't know how to describe it, but it's much more complex and utterly delightful. They don't move just their feet; everything moves and in different directions . . . and all of it graceful.
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And here I thought "co-ed" shower was not done for tittilation
Jesus Christ, give me back my "It was sus but somewhat understandable idea" feel
 
ScribePrincess said:
There's also a paragraph that describes every part of a naked woman moving in separate directions when they walk that's just... Gross. lol.

Girls are simply wonderful. Just to stand on a corner and watch them going past is delightful. They don't walk. At least not what we do when we walk. I don't know how to describe it, but it's much more complex and utterly delightful. They don't move just their feet; everything moves and in different directions . . . and all of it graceful.
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pictured: An example of normal female dancing, according to that book

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-2WUFwFMP0
 
Damn, apparently in the Starship Troopers Universe God really just said "good enough" when he copied male human animations over to make females and just never bugpatched their walk animations. Maybe god was a Cyberpunk 2077 worker all along.
 
Tithed_Verse said:
Can we move on from worm and Nazis please?

I'm getting tired of sci-fi trying to make 'realistic' spaceships with boring designs. Can we please bring back weird impractical shapes in space like in Star Trek and Mass Effect?
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RETVRN


Seriously, though, agreed. Say what you will about 'realism', but this is fiction; let it be wild and distinctive!
 
Fourthspartan56 said:
I don't care to go down every possible hypothetical about when it is or isn't preferable to depict Nazism as the ultimate evil or a side focus from a worse evil, or whatever. We're talking about a specific story and a specific depiction of Nazism. One where Nazis are not given remotely the seriousness they deserve. Even if it's totally fine to not have Nazis be the #1 villain that would not make Worm's treatment of them remotely less shoddy.
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There are absolutely problems with Worm's depiction of neo-Nazism! But the temporary non-aggression agreement to deal with a more immediate threat is not one of them.


Fourthspartan56 said:
When Worm entirely fails to show the evils of Nazism (and by extension Nazi gangs) and then portrays ABB as a threat worth teaming up with the Nazis over then it is quite literally portraying "an ethnic minority gang as worse than neonazis". That's not reductive, it's literally what the story did.
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What Worm actually did: The protagonist signs on with a temporary non-aggression agreement with a bunch of other criminals (including the neo-Nazi gang) while they deal with the gang that is actively conducting a terror bombing campaign (which happens to be an Asian ethnic gang).

The technically-true-but-reductionist-to-the-point-of-falsehood take: The protagonist allied with Nazis against Asians.


ScribePrincess said:
There's also a paragraph that describes every part of a naked woman moving in separate directions when they walk that's just... Gross. lol.
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I'm... not seeing the problem? Dodgy poetry aside, it's a teenage guy talking about standing on the street corner admiring passing girls because they're pretty, which has been a passtime of teenage boys since approximately when street corners were invented.
 
Starship Troopers is fascinating as an example of just how differently people wrote stories 65 years ago, and how people back then thought about a sci fi space future.
 
macdjord said:
I'm... not seeing the problem? Dodgy poetry aside, it's a teenage guy talking about standing on the street corner admiring passing girls because they're pretty, which has been a passtime of teenage boys since approximately when street corners were invented.
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Sorry, a little slow. Are you asking me why I found it gross? Or just kind of using my post as a springboard for a related conversation topic.

I can be unintentionally abrasive, so I try to clarify before I go answering questions no-one asked lol.
 
Tithed_Verse said:
I'm getting tired of sci-fi trying to make 'realistic' spaceships with boring designs. Can we please bring back weird impractical shapes in space like in Star Trek and Mass Effect?
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Jenny said:
RETVRN


Seriously, though, agreed. Say what you will about 'realism', but this is fiction; let it be wild and distinctive!
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A lot of the starship designs you're thinking of are literally just realistic in the sense of "looks like current spaceships". Which only look the way they do because they're designed to be hyperutilitarian and modular because we have to launch that shit into space from earth.

Even within actually realistic starship designs there's not many particular shapes or designs that are 'unrealistic' outside of being impractical or ill fitting for the purpose of the ship.
 
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ZeroXSEED said:
And here I thought "co-ed" shower was not done for tittilation
Jesus Christ, give me back my "It was sus but somewhat understandable idea" feel
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If you missed the expanded context, he's being like this because there was nothing even slightly like the coed shower scene in his training camp.

Which of course is its own problem, but not the one you seem to be imagining.
 
ZeroXSEED said:
And here I thought "co-ed" shower was not done for tittilation
Jesus Christ, give me back my "It was sus but somewhat understandable idea" feel
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The context was already provided last page, he's a horny young guy who hasn't been near women for a while. If that's enough to shock you then I pity your heart when you learn the existence of actual young men lmao

The prose is a little purple but that's Heinlein for you.
 
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It's hardly the only time they have Rico admiring females (aka being horny.) Of course all of those are still explained by being a young guy who spends the majority of his time surrounded by dudes in the Mobile Infantry. Still, it's amusing to compare the differences between Rico and someone from modern day like Sanji.
 
Tithed_Verse said:
I'm getting tired of sci-fi trying to make 'realistic' spaceships with boring designs. Can we please bring back weird impractical shapes in space like in Star Trek and Mass Effect?
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Ironically, it was precisely an effort at making a realistic interstellar ship, the ISVs from Avatar, that gave us what I would easily consider one of the most interesting and distinctive space ship designs of all time, so much so that it ended up being the most interesting and memorable thing about the movie is debuted in.
 
Ah it's that time of the month, time to park a dreadnought in the hole again.
 
Hawkatana said:
Admittedly, my source isn't perfect here (it's Sumeragi in case you're wondering), but from what I've heard, it was mostly a response to the "Worldbuilding Otaku" that became prominent in creative spaces on the Japanese internet around the early to mid-2000's, on account of them contracting what us Gaijin would call "Worldbuilder's Disease" (i.e. spending so much time worldbuilding the intricacies of a setting that you don't get your work done). So in response, a bunch of people just half-assed their worldbuilding to "It just like bideo gaym" so they could get their story out, and their stories were better-received on the virtue of "Well at least they're finished".

Like I said though, take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. I haven't been able to verify this, so I could have been lied to for all I know.
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Why must japan fail me so often
Queshire said:
Fiction in fiction is always terrible.
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Nah love a good bit of in universe fiction
skanszy said:
This is just dumb. Very, very, dumb. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure saying it feels great. But it ultimately boils down to creating a false dilemma between agreeing with whatever ridiculous claim someone barfs up and being a Nazi. "Admit that 2+2=pi or admit you're a Nazi." Just dumb.
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Nah I reject your false dilemma simply don't work with Nazis
 
My unpopular opinion is that fighting movies are okay. They are just okay, not my cup of tea (unless they got an actor I like, like Dave Bautista), but they are okay.
 
Fighting how? Like martial arts movies where the plot's just an excuse to have some dudes kick box (or whatever) one another or?
 
Astrid Fornhoff said:
Fighting how? Like martial arts movies where the plot's just an excuse to have some dudes kick box (or whatever) one another or?
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Should have been more specific, but yes, something like martial arts movies. Like say, the two latest Kickboxer movies, which had Mike Tyson and Dave Bautista in them.

Basically, b ranked movies like those.
 
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