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UNIVEEEEERSE!!! (-al Gundam idea and discussion thread)

It's a precaution. See, my character is supposed to gain possession of a Gundam-Frame around the same time Gaelio gets Kimaris (I've planned a little arc about the former), and it should be noted that I've associated the Ascended Fanboy trope to him. McGillis knows that he wants to become a hero like the original Gundam-Frame pilots, and being one of the few people who knows about the true origin of the AV system, McGillis decides to use that as justification for the procedure: he's effectively granting his wish but going a little further than my character would've realized.

Result: He becomes both a useful figure in McGillis' plans, while serving as a sort of Dragon/Noble Demon to his Big Bad.
 
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As I continue to very steadily work my way through this thread from the beginning, I observe that there were some people talking about making their own Gundam AUs.

I, too, had an idea for one..... but unfortunately, the only thing I really knew/know for sure is that I wanted a Lady-and-Knight kind of thing for the protagonist and love interest -- like Garrod and Tiffa, Banagher and Mineva, or Kincaid and Berah, or what Gyunei tried and failed to achieve with Quess.

Difference is that unlike those examples, in this case the 'Lady' eventually gets a Gundam of her own and they become a full-on Battle Couple.

I had originally been intending to use an "Ordinary High School Student"-type of protagonist like Kira or Banagher, but now I'm actually leaning more towards a Cyber-Newtype (or equivalent) protagonist.
 
And in SEED Destiny, the Akatsuki. Though to be fair, she did break up with Athrun for good shortly afterwards...

And Kaiser, I do still have that option in my Peggy Sue Amuro verse, seeing as I haven't decided yet who Amuro should hook up with, Sayla is one option out of three and I do intend for her to kick major amounts of ass with a mobile suit instead of a fighter.
 
Might as well get this out here. Part of a possible alternate Odessa I've contemplated for A Feddie Story.

The hill and river before it were a natural defensive position, and Zeon had incorporated them into their lines around Odessa. They judged the risks of extending their perimeter worth the high ground and the extra defensive value. Fighting positions for tanks were cut into the reverse slope, only the turrets of Magella Attacks and...odd, what were those? They looked more normal than Magella Attacks. Other tanks, anyways. Infantry fighting positions had been dug into the front of the hill, from just below the summit to halfway down. No Zakus were visible. They would be held back, out of sight, to launch a counterattack. Hayato lowered the borrowed binoculars and nodded to himself.

This was what the Guntank had been designed for, to rain ruination upon fixed positions such as these, blasting open a path for Gundams and Guncannons to break through. In addition to his own pair of 180mm cannon, at his beck and call were the White Base's two 580mm cannons and two twin megaparticle cannon. In a way this was trivial. Given ten hours he could have destroyed the hill itself, never mind the fighting positions on it. But he had only the time it would take Kai and Amuro to reach the hill from the their starting positions at a dead run, maybe five minutes. After that he would be moving forward too, offering supporting fire and directing the guns of White Base to help as well. He had no particular training here, a fact he was keenly aware of. But then again only half of White Base's crew was trained at all, and most of the time for something less than what they'd stepped up to do. He would learn by doing, as everyone else had to.

And he had some advice, which was more than he'd gotten in awhile. You know Sun-Tzu. But he never met artillery, so forget him. There are no points for style or being clever here, you just apply massive amounts of raw force as directly as possible.
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Amuro ducked under the firing of a Magella's cannon as he moved up the hill, his vulcans chattering at infantry positions showing signs of life ahead of him; those behind would be a problem for someone else. His job was to push forward.

He heard the roar of a mobile suit's rockets over the din of combat as a Zaku-J jumped next to him, lashing out a beamsaber without looking, and feeling the barest hint of resistance in the Gundam's controls that indicated it had connected and gone through. The beamsaber died; needed recharge. Both his sabers were down. He'd have to be careful for the next thirty seconds.

Somehow he'd thought the shells from White Base would whistle, but the big 580s rumbled as they passed, like a truck, then terminated in bone-rattling crunches. The Zeon mobile suits treated the big shells with caution, but without real fear. They still came at him. Another Zaku, and he went for his beamsabers out of reflex-empty, beam rifle-too close-

A heavy mega particle beam pair spitted it and swept away from him, cutting it in half. "I've got you." Hayato's voice said. "Don't worry. I've got you."
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So, ridiculous space battleships or not, I think I'd like to learn a lot more about this franchise. Legally, freely, and in a fairly comprehensible order. I also tend to prefer sub over dub. Any suggestions? How possible is this goal?
 
Daisuki also has a lot of the older series available for free.

The big issue with doing things 'in a fairly comprehensible order' is that the only real important ones for that are the UC series, the SEED stuff, and doing X sometime after you've seen the original. Maybe count G-Reco in there too, since it's sort of UC.

All the other stuff is solo alternate universes all the way down, watching 00 before or after AGE doesn't make either make more/less sense because they don't happen in the same setting or anything. Like, you get more out of Build Fighters or Turn A doing them later in, but they're perfectly comprehensible and enjoyable solo.
 
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Lunatic350 said:
Daisuki also has a lot of the older series available for free.
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Thanks. Is it worth it to find the original series, or is The Origin a strict upgrade, or what?
EDIT: It looks like the only ones they have for free (which I haven't found elsewhere) are Wing, SEED, and SEED Destiny. I recall hearing bad things about SEED Destiny, but what about the others?
Lunatic350 said:
The big issue with doing things 'in a fairly comprehensible order' is that the only real important ones for that are the UC series, the SEED stuff, and doing X sometime after you've seen the original. Maybe count G-Reco in there too, since it's sort of UC.
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Which ones are Universal Century?
 
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HoratioVonBecker said:
Thanks. Is it worth it to find the original series, or is The Origin a strict upgrade, or what?
EDIT: It looks like the only ones they have for free (which I haven't found elsewhere) are Wing, SEED, and SEED Destiny. I recall hearing bad things about SEED Destiny, but what about the others?

Which ones are Universal Century?
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UC = Universal Century. The original timeline.

So, that means the Gundam Movie Trilogy (which is a revamp of the original series) the Zeta Gundam Movies (which is a revamp of Zeta Gundam), ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack (which is a full-fledged movie), Gundam Unicorn (aka Gundam Unicorn RE:0096), F91 Gundam, and Victory Gundam.

Oh, and the other OVAs like Stardust Memory, War in the Pocket, and 08th MS Team.
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
Thanks. Is it worth it to find the original series, or is The Origin a strict upgrade, or what?
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Origin is funky - the Manga is a rewrite, but the anime is just the Char flashbacks it added. Go for the original instead.
HoratioVonBecker said:
It looks like the only ones they have for free (which I haven't found elsewhere) are Wing, SEED, and SEED Destiny. I recall hearing bad things about SEED Destiny, but what about the others?
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SEED Destiny is bad from about 20 episodes on but good before, Wing is decent if lacking in depth, and SEED is alright but somewhat controversial. Watch it and form your own opinion.
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Which ones are those?
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UC is the original Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack, and Unicorn as the main line. Also in the timeline: 08th MS, 0080, 0083, F91, Victory. 08th and 0080 are concurrent with the original, 0083 is a Zeta prequel best seen after Zeta, F91 and Victory are the 'end' of UC. G-Reco is in the distant, distant future of UC but basically its own thing in most all respects. I might have missed a few, UC's big.

SEED is SEED and SEED Destiny, as well as Stargazer. Watch in that order.

Gundam X is a show that starts on a horrible variation of iconic original Gundam events.

G2BattleConvoy said:
the Zeta Gundam Movies (which is a revamp of Zeta Gundam)
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Zeta films change the ending, invalidating the following shows.
 
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Lunatic350 said:
Origin is funky - the Manga is a rewrite, but the anime is just the Char flashbacks it added. Go for the original instead.

SEED Destiny is bad from about 20 episodes on but good before, Wing is decent if lacking in depth, and SEED is alright but somewhat controversial. Watch it and form your own opinion.

UC is the original Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack, and Unicorn as the main line. Also in the timeline: 08th MS, 0080, 0083, F91, Victory. 08th and 0080 are concurrent with the original, 0083 is a Zeta prequel best seen after Zeta, F91 and Victory are the 'end' of UC. G-Reco is in the distant, distant future of UC but basically its own thing in most all respects. I might have missed a few, UC's big.

SEED is SEED and SEED Destiny, as well as Stargazer. Watch in that order.

Gundam X is a show that starts on a horrible variation of iconic original Gundam events.


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Wait, did G-reco retcon out G-savior after that already retconed out Gaia Gear?

And there's also Hathaway's Flash, Crossbone Gundam and the other non-animated series.

The one with S-gundam is actually pretty cool, unfortunate they never did a proper manga or anime.
 
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT G-SAVIOUR. EVER.

Also, don't forget Gundam Thunderbolt, which has a complete manga, but is also having its second half released at the end of March, not that long after December Sky, its compiled version, was released.
 
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Chloe Sullivan said:
Wait, did G-reco retcon out G-savior after that already retconed out Gaia Gear?

And there's also Hathaway's Flash, Crossbone Gundam and the other non-animated series.

The one with S-gundam is actually pretty cool, unfortunate they never did a proper manga or anime.
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G-Reco is so absurdly past UC that basically the only thing about UC you can tell from Reconguista is that it happened.

And I left out the non-animated since he was taking about watching stuff.
 
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Okay, forgot about that little titbit. Yeesh, shows that I'm still somewhat inexperienced with Gundam.
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It was marketed to me as hard(-ish) scifi and the Japanese equivalent to Star Trek. I now see the latter is quite a bit more accurate. So... don't worry too much?
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Origin is funky - the Manga is a rewrite, but the anime is just the Char flashbacks it added. Go for the original instead.
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My library actually has the Origin manga. Is the original anime better, worse, or about the same? (I stopped at the very silly spaceship designs, since I'd been expecting harder scifi than I got.)
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
It was marketed to me as hard(-ish) scifi and the Japanese equivalent to Star Trek. I now see the latter is quite a bit more accurate. So... don't worry too much?

My library actually has the Origin manga. Is the original anime better, worse, or about the same? (I stopped at the very silly spaceship designs, since I'd been expecting harder scifi than I got.)
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I think Origin is better when it comes to having more realistic ship designs as well as a more 'refined' story. Take my advice with a pinch of salt though, considering I've only read up to Volume 5 out of the 12 that make up the entirety of Origin.
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
My library actually has the Origin manga. Is the original anime better, worse, or about the same? (I stopped at the very silly spaceship designs, since I'd been expecting harder scifi than I got.)
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I actually really like the Origin manga (I consider it one of my favorite Gundam pieces actually), but I understand some people don't share that opinion.

Basically, the Origin is darker and more like a historical drama in tone, but the setting isn't exactly done to line up with any other Gundam property (time of when things happen doesn't play well, in particular), and there are backstory things that don't make as much sense as they do in the original. Also, people have argued that it 'whitewashes' Zeon/the Federation/someone, but IMO that's kinda the Gundam equivalent of the eternal Kirk/Picard bitchfit. It's not really a complaint that means anything so much as angry Gundam fan background noise - people have said it about everything UC past the original Gundam. There's also an argument that the characters have less depth, though I disagree with it.

Also the flashbacks the OVAs consist of are very much one of the big weak points of the story.
 
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G-Saviour's fights are better than Unicorn's.

Dead serious. Unicorn's always a curbstomp, flashy but doesn't make much sense a lot of the time and feature many of the terrible flaws of Gundam fights, like the other side standing still and then exploding being meant to show superiority. G-Saviour's fights feature mobile suits that are actually pretty durable (almost nobody, even a Freedom, just blows up from a single hit), people make obvious attempts to evade incoming and when they die it's for an immediately identifiable and believable cause (looking into the sunglare and didn't see it coming, getting blindsided while chasing another opponent, things like that), when you're supposed to believe a suit is superior to its opponent they actually sell it by showing it overpowering them in a fight, and while the main characters and their suits can rack up the kills against standard models mook on mook it's actually shown as a pretty fair fight with both sides exchanging fire/dodging/getting kills.

Of course, it would be, considering budget-per-minute they spent more on G-Saviour's big fight than any part of Unicorn.
 
G2BattleConvoy said:
I think Origin is better when it comes to having more realistic ship designs as well as a more 'refined' story. Take my advice with a pinch of salt though, considering I've only read up to Volume 5 out of the 12 that make up the entirety of Origin.
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More? I shudder to think what the originals must have been. Ships in The Origin have a defined 'top' and 'bottom', and the weapon turrets are almost never able to fire 'downwards'. They're absurd, and not even in the 'we slapped a tattered Jolly Rodger on a bunch of spiky metal things and called it a Space Ship' way.
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G-Saviour's fights are better than Unicorn's.

Dead serious. Unicorn's always a curbstomp, flashy but doesn't make much sense a lot of the time and feature many of the terrible flaws of Gundam fights, like the other side standing still and then exploding being meant to show superiority. G-Saviour's fights feature mobile suits that are actually pretty durable (almost nobody, even a Freedom, just blows up from a single hit), people make obvious attempts to evade incoming and when they die it's for an immediately identifiable and believable cause (looking into the sunglare and didn't see it coming, getting blindsided while chasing another opponent, things like that), when you're supposed to believe a suit is superior to its opponent they actually sell it by showing it overpowering them in a fight, and while the main characters and their suits can rack up the kills against standard models mook on mook it's actually shown as a pretty fair fight with both sides exchanging fire/dodging/getting kills.

Of course, it would be, considering budget-per-minute they spent more on G-Saviour's big fight than any part of Unicorn.
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I take it that G-Savior's main weakness is its plot?
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
I take it that G-Savior's main weakness is its plot?
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G-Savior's main weakness is that it's an underbudgeted Sci-Fi channel B-Movie that didn't have any of the skill in modelling, puppetry, or any of the other tricks to properly do mechs in live-action even if it did have the budget (and shitty 2000 CGI, so... no). The acting's bad, the plot's bad, the special effects are bad, the costuming's bad, and the mech design is... not that bad, actually.
 
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