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UNIVEEEEERSE!!! (-al Gundam idea and discussion thread)

G2BattleConvoy said:
Wow. Suspended without much in the way of a Tribunal.

Anyway, that is awesome stuff you posted there, @Night , can I ask what sort of fic you're writing again?
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So far, a tanky one on the Federation side. It's set around the Earth invasion period and will eventually get into Project V. On the Zeon side it's about Garma trying to run the invasion and mostly discovering what a mess his family has made of the Zeon military's chain of command.
 
Night said:
So far, a tanky one on the Federation side. It's set around the Earth invasion period and will eventually get into Project V. On the Zeon side it's about Garma trying to run the invasion and mostly discovering what a mess his family has made of the Zeon military's chain of command.
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Ooooooh, I like. A prequel set on the frontlines. I should keep an eye on this.
 
Some Gundam/Infinite Warfare ideas I posted earlier on SB.

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There were a lot of comparisons made between Infinite Warfare's Settlement Defense Front and Gundam's Principality of Zeon over the past five months so we might as well start discussing Infinite Warfare / Gundam crossovers now that the game is out.

Although it might be easiest to cross Infinite Warfare with IBO since the latter already has a colonized solar system with interplanetary travel. Seeing the 'Kill the Earthers' SDF in stark contrast to Kudelia, Makanai, and Tekkadan would be an obvious starting point...

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Ok. With the recent revelations, the SDF probably has a 'dead' Mobile Armor stashed somewhere that they've been reverse engineering. It would explain where they got the AI/VI for their robots as well as their energy weapons.
 
chriswriter90 said:
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Ok. With the recent revelations, the SDF probably has a 'dead' Mobile Armor stashed somewhere that they've been reverse engineering. It would explain where they got the AI/VI for their robots as well as their energy weapons.
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And what about the UNSA/SATO? They have Ethan, not to mention they have a hand in energy weapons as well.

Also I'm pretty sure that Gjallarhorn wouldn't even let the SDF get that big, assuming the organization exists in the crossover.
 
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G2BattleConvoy said:
And what about the UNSA/SATO? They have Ethan, not to mention they have a hand in energy weapons as well.
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I'm not sure if UNSA/SATO would be a thing when the various economic blocs rely on Gjallahorn for their military everything.

The crew of the Retribution would probably be Gjallahorn troops caught in the middle of the power-plays between the Seven Stars Families.

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Also I'm pretty sure that Gjallarhorn wouldn't even let the SDF get that big, assuming the organization exists in the crossover.
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A potential IBO/Infinite Warfare crossover/fusion would require SDF to exist since they're the bad guys in IW and IBO has Martian Independence at the core of it's conflict.

Also, it's a big solar system. The further away from Earth you get, the less influence the Economic Blocs and Gjallahorn can exert. The existence of the pseudo-FTL Drop Drives doesn't change their inward-thinking/selfish mindsets.
 
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chriswriter90 said:
Also, it's a big solar system. The further away from Earth you get, the less influence the Economic Blocs and Gjallahorn can exert. The existence of the pseudo-FTL Drop Drives doesn't change their inward-thinking/selfish mindsets.
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Sure it does. If it's easy to oppress your neighbors and take their stuff, you do more of it. And more effectively too. The existence of pseudo-FTL would make the IBO situation significantly more difficult for Tekkadan because once they've defeated one Gjallahorn taskforce and deployed a Gundam Frame then reinforcements will be numerous and rapid; Gjallahorn cannot afford to look weak by not deploying a crushing force if they have the capability to do so. It was the fact that doing such a thing was impossible, that Gjallarhorn simply didn't have the ability to try and crush Tekkadan again so word of their successful resistance could spread, that made the first season run.

Similarly, Teiwaz would probably not exist in its form in the show for the simple reason that Gjallahorn would be able to project power to where it lives, and the vacuum it formed in would not exist. (It's entirely possible that the PMC organization Tekkadan was formed out of might not exist either if governmental combat power can easily be projected to Mars to oppress the locals.)
 
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Night said:
Sure it does. If it's easy to oppress your neighbors and take their stuff, you do more of it. And more effectively too. The existence of pseudo-FTL would make the IBO situation significantly more difficult for Tekkadan because once they've defeated one Gjallahorn taskforce and deployed a Gundam Frame then reinforcements will be numerous and rapid; Gjallahorn cannot afford to look weak by not deploying a crushing force if they have the capability to do so. It was the fact that doing such a thing was impossible, that Gjallarhorn simply didn't have the ability to try and crush Tekkadan again so word of their successful resistance could spread, that made the first season run.

Similarly, Teiwaz would probably not exist in its form in the show for the simple reason that Gjallahorn would be able to project power to where it lives, and the vacuum it formed in would not exist. (It's entirely possible that the PMC organization Tekkadan was formed out of might not exist either if governmental combat power can easily be projected to Mars to oppress the locals.)
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Like I said, Gjallarhorn would never let something like the SDF happen. The idea of being able to mesh both IW and IBO would never work correctly, so to speak. Because the Earthen authorities would have uncontested control over everything. And the situation revolving around Kudelia Aina Bernstein would never happen.
 
So, have been an Iron Blooded Orphans binge again and this came up, using my 'Venus IOST' idea...
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Mars, Chryse Province​
Chryse Guard Security Headquarters​
January 4th, PD 323​

"So... what's the sitrep at home Field Marshal?" asked Major General Samuel 'Spectre' Roberts as he sat in his command APC. The Terran Republic had sent what few SpecOps units they could spare alongside quite a few of the few remaining mercenary groups within the Terran Republic to get a 'lay of the land' as it were, and Major Roberts -the leader of Spectre's Roughnecks- had picked up a contract with Chryse Guard Security to train it's first and second groups on the 'new' -if 'new' is made up of equipment that even don't get the designation of Cat D equipment in the Terran military- equipment ranging from M6A8 Crusader II MBTs and M336 APCs -and it's many variants- to CSAV 305mm ATGM (using a two-stage guidance package using Quantum Radar -the only thing not a laser disrupted by Ahab Waves- for it's initial run and a electro-optical seeker for the terminal phase) and SAVAW-5 recoilless rifles... among other things. What CGS -and pretty much everyone else- didn't know is that Spectre's Roughnecks is a WhiteOps division; it's ground complement includes two mixed artillery brigades, two armored infantry brigades, a cyber brigade, and a VTOL assault brigade and in space it has one Astrid class light cruiser and four Broadsword class corvettes with full complement of dropships, strikecraft (including SF-04 Falken strike fighters and SB-03 Tempest strike bombers), and shuttles... at least for this 'gig'.

"Tense," Field Marshal Gabriel von Brown sighed over the Q-Radio, "Gjallarhorn has been trying to strong-arm the Republic, the Old Families are getting collective flashbacks to the Dark Century, and we've already had a few skirmishes between Gjallarhorn and Republic units on Earth. It's becoming a horrible mess right now and with the massive surge in pro-independence feelings on Mars..."

"Gjallarhorn is going to be even worse of a prick, trying to keep a collapsing order from completely falling apart," Samuel sighed, "This is a fucking mess ain't it?"

"Better than the entire clusterfuck of a Cold War that is happening back home, that's for sure," Gabriel said dreary eyed, and before he was interrupted.

"General, we've got three Ahab Wave-forms on scope!" said a sensor technician, "Massive artillery barrage incoming!"

The ground reverberated as rockets landed around the facility.

"All hands on deck!" Samuel ordered, "Full combat alert! Get those calliopes online and firing ASAP! ... and someone take out that artillery!" Soon enough 40mm pulse lasers started lighting up the night sky, eliminating the MLRS barrage that the unknowns had unleashed. The command table showed that the few QR units were already heading out into battle while the patrols were regrouping for a multi-pronged assault on the enemy force.
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"Attention all hands, attention all hands, this is not a drill. Repeat: this is not a drill."

For Lieutenant Alexander Sanders, this was the inevitable part. Take a strong stance on something and eventually someone will try to break you down. Build something great and someone would want to tear it down. Evolution on an ideal or nation/mega-state level. To survive, you'll need every weapon, every enhancement, every trick of the book you can get your hands on. Sanders started up the Cyber as radio chatter of the chaos around them ran in the background.

"Looks like they're using MRAR launchers. Pitiful warheads, barely enough to cause explosive shocks."

"Counter-battery inbound... multiple secondary explosions, looks like we got some of them."

"We're getting slaughtered out here!"

"Where is First Group!?!"

Sanders frowned as he started the power up sequence. The Third Group's commander is likely still suiting up and given that the 2IC isn't even out here yet... likely it's all on autopilot at this point. "This is Lieutenant Sanders, until Third Group commander or his 2IC is on the field, I'm taking command. I'm ordering you to get into defensive positions and prepare for an assault," Sanders commanded as his Cyber exited the building, "Roughneck Actual, this is Blue Dog 6, I need a situation report."

"This is Roughneck Actual, situation as follows: Gjallarhorn attacking CGS HQ. Most probable objectives are full-out extermination of CGS and the assassination of Package Lady Revolution. Prepare for counterattack. Combat broadcasting indicates that they will deploy mobile suits if their conventional forces falter."

Sanders's frown deepened as he heard that information. That sort of thing isn't Gjallarhorn's thing for the most part. Probably some idiot that wants to be sure to get a promotion or something, but even then the moment any inspectors come in they will get fucked over. Most of the rank and file alongside a good chunk of their officer corps aren't the sort to simply exterminate entire populations outside of extreme necessity... so it only left the small grouping of very powerful officers and rank and file, so who out of Gjallarhorn's most corrupt has the most motive for this sort of extermination?

"Right now that's for the intelligence boys to find out," Sanders thought to himself as he got to the battlefield, "What I need to do now is support these poor cannon fodder until the counterattack happens."

"I need operational status of all available teams on the field," Sanders started but got interrupted.

"This is Orga to all units, my team is on the field," Orga said over the command channel as he started to give orders. Soon enough the few tanks in Third Group's arsenal started rolling across the battlefield, obliterating the Gjallarhorn mobile workers with ease as their 120mm coilguns picked them off at range. The few ATGM carriers that were available started firing their magazines, turning more of the tank-like mobile workers into scrap metal...
 
I've been throwing around ideas in the past for a Peggy Sue Amuro fic. Problem is, with the whole thing getting summed up in ZZ's timeframe, what happens afterwards?

A potential scenario that came to me today is of Hathaway joining a vigilante group and helping them fight a bunch of fanatic Gihren fanboys playing terrorist. Said Gihren fanboys are mostly composed of Spacenoid youth whose families died in the previous conflicts and whom dealt with it by wholeheartedly embracing Gihren's Space Aryan ideology. Think tattooed neo-Nazi skinheads with Zeon crests instead of swastikas. They wouldn't be all that threatening if not for the fact that they're suspiciously well-armed for a terrorist group; this later turns out to be because they're secretly funded by a shadow group of Federation hardliners who basically want to manufacture another Laplace Incident to have an excuse to tighten control of the colonies once again, coupled with some of the more corrupt elements of Anaheim joining in because as a defense contractor, they'd lose the most from lasting peace.

Naturally, if such a thing were to come out to the public, it would tear the Earth Sphere apart between Earthnoids who espouse Earth First, Earthnoids who just want peace without someone constantly stirring shit up and Spacenoids who feel betrayed and threatened by the Federation offering friendship in one hand and hiding a shiv in the other. So Hathaway and co. have their work cut out for them - not made easier by the fact that Hathaway's relationship with his family is not exactly rosy, plus he's experiencing the franchise-standard Gundam-pilot-in-love-with-enemy-Newtype-girl thing with Quess.

Quess is... a bit different from her fellows. Her family isn't dead, she just ran away from home and somewhere along the line got caught up with the space skinheads. Instead of being a bratty... well, brat, she ironically behaves more like Haman did in canon and fangirls Kycilia instead of Gihren.



And to illustrate how fanatic these space skinheads are, I had a mental image just now. The skinheads ambush a civilian space liner, Hathaway and co. intervene. Just as it seems the latter are about to win, one of the skinhead mobile suits, damaged beyond combat capability, guns its engines beyond factory-rated safe levels and gets on a deliberate high-speed collision course with the civilian ship. Even if they were to shoot it, the debris would still strike the ship with enough force to wreck it. Hathaway is screaming at the pilot to stop and the pilot replies thus:

"May the devils sing praise when our souls pass the gates of Hell! SIEG ZEON!!!" *boom*
 
Well, Amuro "died" before Unicorn, so the events of Unicorn can still play out regardless of butterflies, because he doesn't know enough to stop them. In your story though it's very likely he'd be the head of Londo Bell after Bright leaves (and ECOAS may not exist period); Amuro interacting directly with Banagher and especially Full Frontal would be a lot more interesting than much of the character work we actually got. We can throw out Riddhe and replace him with Hathaway for that, build the kid up some. Lord knows he needs it.

There's also the fact Amuro will, barring death in combat, probably be still alive for F91. He'll be pretty old by then, but still. One last ride, Hi-Nu vs. Rafflesia.
 
Whiskey Golf said:
Assuming that Amuro was 16 in UC 79, then by F91, which is around UC116 or so, he'd be 53. Which is old for a pilot, but not exactly what I'd call pretty old. I mean, my dad's 70. *shrug*
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For a combat pilot he's quite old if he's still flying at 53, pulling Gs is a young person's game. If he's made a career of the military, he'd be impossibly senior, too: a captain or even a low-end flag rank. Amuro as CO of the General Revil has a certain appeal, but...
 
Night said:
For a combat pilot he's quite old if he's still flying at 53, pulling Gs is a young person's game. If he's made a career of the military, he'd be impossibly senior, too: a captain or even a low-end flag rank. Amuro as CO of the General Revil has a certain appeal, but...
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*shrug* You still have CAGs in their 50s flying combat missions today and in Desert Storm and decades past. Plus you wanted Amuro in the Hi-Nu vs the Rafflesia. :p

It has great drama, Amuro going, "Right, this is something I need to do, get my mobile suit ready, XO you have the conn" and then going out to personally kick ass and take names.

But that's also bad practice and surrenderring command of the battle lol
 
Night said:
For a combat pilot he's quite old if he's still flying at 53, pulling Gs is a young person's game. If he's made a career of the military, he'd be impossibly senior, too: a captain or even a low-end flag rank. Amuro as CO of the General Revil has a certain appeal, but...
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It isn't like he'd be the only OYW vet still flying even if he lasted all the way to Crossbone.
 
In the above idea, Hathaway and co.'s work is even more difficult because Hathaway does not have the same resources and contacts Amuro does.

And by this point, Amuro is such a huge celebrity that him getting involved would draw too much attention.
 
Well, continuing my snippets... just in this case in Martian orbit...

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Martian Orbit
En Route to Martian Low Orbit Docking Platform
January 8th, PD 323
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There is no stealth in space. That is a simple fact, either you get cooked trying to do so or kill your crews and AI in rather grotesque ways. This made tracking Sovereign Colonial Alliance ships rather easy. While both sides of the 'Solar Cold War' have been trying to minimize detection, it has proven fruitless.

Despite landing in this universe, the fact that there is no stealth is space held true. Ahab Waves -while disruptive to normal electronics in general as well as hindering Radar and the local LIDAR to the point of near-uselessness- only degraded Terran sensors by approximately a quarter... but in places with a lot of ahab reactors -or like the Shoals in the asteroid belt where they are malfunctioning- in one spot it cuts it approximately in half.

After the events at CGS HQ, it was agreed that the travel plans were to be changed, rather thoroughly one might add. Any and all old CGS plans were scrubbed after Orga took over CGS as it was agreed that at this point they're most likely compromised. Soon enough Tekkadan got a priority lift on Mars Orbital Elevator #1, got a priority renting of a Yolin 242 Combie shuttle, and -with two flights of SF-04 Falken star fighters flying escort- the plan is to met up with the recently renamed assault ship Isaribi at the low-orbit docking station before moving out to meet up with the Koenigsburg with two of the four Broadsword class corvettes on escort duty.

The only weak point in the plan is the only pre-Tekkadan part of the old plan: using a hire from CGS to guide everyone to Earth.

"Looks like Orcus sold us out," WSO Corporal Integra Romanov said with a frown, "The warbook is detecting the Orcus armored assault ship alongside a Halfbeak class cruiser and a Biscoe class armored courier... we've got a flight of Grazes inbound." This has been more or less the most overt Gjallarhorn operation yet, and the inspectors are probably going to let it happen just so they can tie the noose on the entire branch. While the Inspectors were few, almost all of them were well within 'untouchable' of the Mobster-era Chicago sort.

"Alright then," 1st Lieutenant Richard Cromwell snarked, "get everyone ready to go with Plan B4. Flight two is to escort Package in accordance with rendezvous plan B4. Flight one is to move in and engage before they get too close." Falkens have been the standby for the Republic for centuries thanks to it's evolution-oriented frame... and as numerous pirates found out an incredibly deadly adversary with it's 'near mobile suit' durability -and vastly superior maneuverability- and fearsome arsenal of weapons for all ranges ranging from 40mm pulse discharge cannons and 35mm particle pulse lasers to a 55mm coilgun and a literal arsenal of missiles ranging from short-range ARCO series of attack missiles and Hailcone rockets to Javelin and OROC light anti-ship torpedoes. The current missile loadout is simply a dozen OROC light ASTs, a quad-pack of Javelins, and the rest Raptor-class missile pods.

Even the Sovereign Colonies' light-end warships -far superior to anything put on display so far- consider a flight of Falkens to be a bit much.

"Attention Gjallarhorn units, this is Lieutenant Cromwell of the Stellar Circus squadron of Specter's Roughnecks. Please state the nature of your deployment or we will assume that you are hostile. Message will repeat," Cromwell questioned over the LCS. Hopefully they'll stop to talk a little bit before hostilities arise.

"They're not stopping Lieutenant!" Integra exclaimed, "I'm getting high-energy LIDAR indications!" Cromwell sighed, the one problem with not having ahab reactors is that you're more or less screwed as sensors that would be of limited use in an ahab wave saturated battlefield is quite useful in one that is not. That was when his fighter's AI gave targeting locks for all applicable weapons.

Cromwell pulled the trigger. A salvo of Starwinder short-range anti-strikecraft missiles launched out of the pods and sped towards the Grazes at a top speed of 12 Gs. Five of the Grazes started opening fire on the missiles, intercepting them. The other two weren't so lucky and got a face full of shaped plasma charge, savagely wrecking them. The Falken lurched as the RCS nozzles pushed the fighter into evasive action.

The rest of the four-fighter flight immediately broke off and took action. 35mm charged pulse particle lasers lashed out, hitting the Grazes with incredible accuracy. The Gjallarhorn Grazes' nano-laminate armor dispersed some of the intense energies that the weapons dished out... but the pulse laser was slowly overtaking the armor as it started to melt and flake off.

It quickly became a space furball...
 
New fanfic thing I've been planning for years, but only just got around to penning the other night.

"Setsunaaa! Heeeey! Over heeeeere!"

Her enthusiastic greeting shakes me back to reality. "Konoka Konoe."

I return her cheery call with a sedate wave, even as I scan the street for potential threats.

I don't see anything amiss today, but after what happened in Kyoto, I can't afford to slip up again.

Her smile dims. "Setsuna? What's wrong? You seem down today."

''When I stabbed that woman in the leg... she smiled at me.'' "You're imagining it."

"Oh, you're such a naughty one, aren't you Setsuna? But then, that's why I love about you. You're so much more.... aggressive than most."

Tsukuyomi Aoyama. She is... twisted, distorting the goodness and peace out of this world by her very existence.

"Setsuna, your hand!"

I stop, abruptly, and look down at my hand. Without realizing it, I clenched my fist so hard it broke the skin...

"Here," Konoka anxiously says while producing her new practice wand, "let me fix you up."

".....sorry."

Konoka pauses, looking up at me. "What for?"

I glance down at my hand. "I made you worry."

After a moment, her smile returns, as small and kind as a mother's.

"--please stop! why are you doing this?!" The gun in my hand fires twice, and the woman falls down.

"Oh, Setsuna.... you've been my friend for years, now, and you've always been protecting me. I actually kind of like it, when I can do something for you sometimes."

I want.... to protect that smile, and the kind words that are accompanying it.

But as long as the world remains twisted, peaceful moments like this will never be able to last.

As Konoka heals my hand, I half-consciously re-adjust the wrapped-up sword on my back. "I will..... cut out the twistedness from this world."

And a companion piece to it, which I wrote completely on impulse.

Princess Marina looks at me with a tenderness that I haven't experienced in years -- since before I was exiled from Japan -- and with an awe that I've never experienced period. "Setsuna, I.... I don't care what anyone else might have to say about it. Your wings are beautiful," she says.

As she softly envelops me in her arms, and the world starts to seem like a warmer place, it's all I can do to try and restrain my tears.
 
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The proposed crossover has a child soldier and mecha pilot (Setsuna) acting as a bodyguard for a Japanese school girl with special powers (Konoka). That is an exact plot summary of the anime "Full Metal Panic!" I'm not trying to say its bad, I actually liked what you wrote. It just really does sound very similar.
 
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The proposed crossover has a child soldier and mecha pilot (Setsuna) acting as a bodyguard for a Japanese school girl with special powers (Konoka). That is an exact plot summary of the anime "Full Metal Panic!" I'm not trying to say its bad, I actually liked what you wrote. It just really does sound very similar.
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Yeah, I managed to get the joke about four hours after I went offline last night.
 
And I didn't compute the Setsuna/Setsuna switch until a couple of minutes ago, so I think it all works out.
 
So, uh, you know that fic I mentioned way back about my character being assigned to be the new Mars Branch commander?

What do you guys think of him idealizing the Gundam-Frames and wanting to be like one of the original Calamity War Gundam-Frame pilots so much that McGillis has him be forcibly augmented with a variant of the Alaya-Vijnana system (based loosely off the Graze Ein experiments, perhaps?) in a cruel twist of irony?
 
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Nah, McGillis wouldn't just augment someone without logical reason.
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Some extra context shall be given, then. The way I've planned it is that, during the Battle of Edmonton, he puts himself between Gaelio and McGillis in order to ask the latter what the hell he's been doing. After listening to what the Grimgerde's pilot has to say about Gjallarhorn's current state, he decides to willingly pledge loyalty to McGillis' cause (which still causes Gaelio to become Vidar, but for different reasons). The end result is that McGillis decides to take advantage of that new loyalty and decides to turn him into his top enforcer on Mars, and possibly install some failsafes alongside the augment in case he tries anything that could remotely threaten his plans.
 
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