[X] Reach out and Wave Force someone
-[X] Star Lancer
[X] [EXP] Plan Metalbreaker
-[X] Star Lancer
[X] [EXP] Plan Metalbreaker
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Hmmm. Would we see red's affinities in the control seal? (I.E. before we saw it normally.)
One stack of laser kills starlancer, even through defensive roll. We should start with that. (With multi-shot and danmaku, of course.)
We should be Extremely cautious around regent. She has way too many levels to not be terrifying. She does have a rule affinity, which means we take half damage, and I don't think we actually have much that a potential supremacy negates.
I also just ran the math. She kills us in about 8 hits, even disregarding spells and unrevealed stuff. We might want to kill her first. (And probably buy metalslayer.) Alternatively, use a spell-boost panoply and Wave Force her right afterwards.
All I can say about Twisted Metal is that we probably shouldn't wave force her. Save her for last (bar card, of course.)
That demon needs to die fast. Those chains could be really bad. Unfortunately Regent is way more important, so we'll probably have to go with him third
Let's not kill card or set the device off yet.
[] Plan Sequence1
-[] Multi-shot Danmaku Laser Metalslayer
-[] Charge an attack (with laser), then shoot Starlancer with it.
--[] Halt the area before firing, but after charging.
-[] Be very careful of the demon's chains.
-[] If possible, switch Laser to Ray
-[] Then shoot Silver regent till she dies.
-[] Then kill the demon
-[] Then move on to Twisted Metal. Try to break her armor.
-[] Don't kill High Card
--[] Try to talk to her once they are all dead
-[] If at any point you see a seal on any of them, don't kill that one (if you can avoid it.)
For the wave force variant:
[] Plan Sequence2
-[] Multi-shot Danmaku Laser Spell Boost
-[] Charge an attack (with laser), then shoot Starlancer with it.
--[] Halt the area before firing, but after charging.
-[] Be very careful of the demon's chains.
-[] Wave Force Silver Regent, then shoot her till she dies.
-[] Then kill the demon
-[] Then move on to Twisted Metal. Try to break her armor.
-[] Don't kill High Card
--[] Try to talk to her once they are all dead
-[] If at any point you see a seal on any of them, don't kill that one (if you can avoid it.)
Actually, Starlancer isn't that big a threat. Dispelling our stacks is annoying, but she now drops in two hits and doesn't do nearly as much damage as Silver Regent. So revising it again...
[x] Plan Sequence3
-[x] Multi-shot Danmaku Laser Metalslayer
-[x] Charge an attack (with laser), then shoot Regent with it.
--[x] Halt the area before firing, but after charging.
-[x] Be very careful of the demon's chains.
-[x] Then shoot Starlancer till she dies.
-[x] Then kill the demon
-[x] Then move on to Twisted Metal. Try to break her armor and, if possible, to knock her unconscious.
--[x] Unless she displays a dangerous ability, engaging in melee is fine if it helps with those goals.
-[x] Don't kill High Card
--[x] Try to talk to her once the others are all dealt with
-[x] If at any point you see a seal on any of them, don't kill that one (if you can avoid it.)
[X] [EXP] Plan Metalbreaker
-[X] Panoply lvl 30: Metalslayer 420xp
These plans do assume we know about the seals IC, and I don't want to go check right now.
One other idea I had was to laser-kill starlancer (or Regent), then just fly through the tunnels at top speed. Even if some of them can keep up, they can't all do so and we could pick them off.
But we should probably stand and fight.
Anyone have any other recommendations?
Supremacy would definitely negate the "Gives 20% of incoming Damage as bonus Resilience" effect of Aegis Field.
Not applicable in this case, but Supremacy might negate To Defy The Gods since it affects Incoming Damage instead of Total Damage, but I'm not sure on that. Also don't know if TDTG counts as "an ability that directly targets one of the Affinities for the attack", which is one of the conditions for 'not negated'.
Supremacy would also negate No Strength In Numbers, but that would only matter if the person with Supremacy is trying to synchonize their attacks with someone else.
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Ray seems like a better alternative to Laser, in that you don't have to gamble as much on a single hit connecting.
My understanding is that with Laser, you declare how many actions you devote to it, and then make a single attack check. With Ray, it seems like the decision is inverted, and you make an attack check before deciding how many actions to devote to it.
If that is the case, Ray is flatly superior to Laser for everything bar multi-round charge attacks.
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- Ekaterinburg, Russia
About Twisted Metal. I have specifically mentioned the bit where she is acting ODDLY - she thinks she is part of group to throw away invaders from Hope. Furthermore, her allegiance is ??? and not Unified Darkness.
Which is why Summit might become intrigued and knock her out instead of outright killing, no knowledge of Red Seals required. Please reflect it in plans, the aim to knock out. We already lost opportunity with a certain spear.
About votes. Kelllogo explocitly said making specific battle plans is premature - we're supposed to have an "immediate reactions" update before the battle starts in earnest.
About Ray - it is flatly superior to Laser in short term:
1 Laser has 2x base damage, 1x magic modifier, 1x danmaku and 1x slayer activation.
1 Ray has 2x base damage, 1x magic modifier, 2x danmaku and 2x slayer activations.
Net effect can be almost twice as good.
Which is why Summit might become intrigued and knock her out instead of outright killing, no knowledge of Red Seals required. Please reflect it in plans, the aim to knock out. We already lost opportunity with a certain spear.
About votes. Kelllogo explocitly said making specific battle plans is premature - we're supposed to have an "immediate reactions" update before the battle starts in earnest.
About Ray - it is flatly superior to Laser in short term:
1 Laser has 2x base damage, 1x magic modifier, 1x danmaku and 1x slayer activation.
1 Ray has 2x base damage, 1x magic modifier, 2x danmaku and 2x slayer activations.
Net effect can be almost twice as good.
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1. About 30 meters by 8 meters. The ceiling is pretty high too, 5 meters at highest point. Grand Dispel could hit about a fifth of the chamber at once.
2. It goes boom 5 seconds after activation. I'll cheat a bit if that option wins so it's been cooking for a while
3. See above. The device does some odd things via sacrifice and bomb-pumped generator. It should work fine as long as you don't carefully time a dispell effect to overlap with detonation.
I saw a comment about saving girls with seals: that's Twisted Metal and Star Lancer. Just to make things clear. And next update will have Twisted's full sheet to examine
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I saw a comment about saving girls with seals: that's Twisted Metal and Star Lancer. Just to make things clear. And next update will have Twisted's full sheet to examine
does summit know about the seals in character?
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She knows enough to put the pieces together. Summit saw the end of Soul Collector and is aware of Goddess Red's famous effect, Summit became a Magical Girl before Red went loco.
Trying for seal-popping will work better on one target than the other. (that should be sufficiently ambiguous...)
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cool, follow up question, how easily can we find seals? and would grabbing someone with our panoply and scouring off of them be a thing we could do with our surprise round?
Hmm. If we want to try rescuing the two sealed MGs, Tarser and Regent would be obvious first-strike targets so we can do so relatively unimpeded. Keep Lancer locked down with Dispel or something, I guess?
If possible, we could also try to throw off Twisted Metal by pointing out that we're not on Hope.
Amusing idea: Attack Starlancer with a knockback attack from behind, so that she skewers Tarser with the spear she's currently menacing him with.
If possible, we could also try to throw off Twisted Metal by pointing out that we're not on Hope.
Amusing idea: Attack Starlancer with a knockback attack from behind, so that she skewers Tarser with the spear she's currently menacing him with.
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Nope. Ray needs to stay on them over time, while laser hits once. As a surprise attack, laser is far superior in this case, because we only need one extra tick from either to take out starlancer. Monarch is a bit more questionable, I suppose
I have no clue what this means. Does it imply that they have control seals?
I really thought at least lancer was UD by choice...
Oh, she is. So no need to bother with her seal.
[x] Plan Sequence4
-[x] Multi-shot Danmaku Laser Metalslayer
-[x] Charge an attack (with laser), then shoot Regent with it.
--[x] Halt the area before firing, but after charging.
-[x] Be very careful of the demon's chains.
-[x] Then shoot Starlancer till she dies.
-[x] Then kill the demon
-[x] Then move on to Twisted Metal. Try to break her armor and, if possible, to knock her unconscious.
--[x] Unless she displays a dangerous ability, engaging in melee is fine if it helps with those goals.
-[x] Don't kill High Card
--[x] Try to talk to her once the others are all dealt with
-[x] If at any point you see a seal on any of them, don't kill that one (if you can avoid it.)
--[x] Except Starlancer, kill her anyway.
[X] [EXP] Plan Metalbreaker
-[X] Panoply lvl 30: Metalslayer 420xp
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We don't actually need to pop the seal on Twisted Metal right away, @Mellithae, we only need to render her unconscious, see her detransform, pass her over to our base AND inform them she was acting strangely, thinking she was Defender of Hope. I'm sure they'll be able to spare an Angel to stand above her for... well, no more than 10 minutes, and probably as little as one. The seal's destruction is usually obvious after all.
I am mildly in disfavor of purchasing Metalslayer - again, mostly because I think hitting Twisted Metal with it makes it an auto-lethal thing, so unwanted casualties are a problem. That said, I have little doubt that if this battle goes in our favor, we'll have more than recouped its costs.
I am mildly in disfavor of purchasing Metalslayer - again, mostly because I think hitting Twisted Metal with it makes it an auto-lethal thing, so unwanted casualties are a problem. That said, I have little doubt that if this battle goes in our favor, we'll have more than recouped its costs.
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Yo.
You're picking the suprise round action now. I'll ask for battle plans next update once you know about [REDACTED].
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And that's the second reason why I don't want us to purchase MetalSlayer right this moment - we aren't getting any benefits from it next update, AND the situation might change once we know about [REDACTED].
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I think we should try to one-shot regent. She's probably the biggest problem here.
[x] Spell boost panoply, wave force Regent.
[X] Save EXP
Star lancer can't be one-shot by wave force. She can be by a single-laser-charged attack. If you want to take her out first, go for that.
[x] Spell boost panoply, wave force Regent.
[X] Save EXP
Star lancer can't be one-shot by wave force. She can be by a single-laser-charged attack. If you want to take her out first, go for that.
Decim
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So, Silver Regent leads these girls, but she is only a Myth-Maker tier MG. Given that power is the one thing that the UD respects, she has to have a good amount of it, but it seems to be lacking on her visible parts of her sheet. It's certainly not numbers since Anna outdoes her in that respect, but it has to be there. So, since Regent is a Maker, it's likely in her Maker Bullshittm. But what is her Maker Bullshit?
On a related note, I see Silver Regent as one of the better options to Wave Force immediately. Starlancer can't be one-shot with Wave Force, same with the demon, and the other MG's are either iffy if it will work or a flat out 'No, we're not doing that'.
On a related note, I see Silver Regent as one of the better options to Wave Force immediately. Starlancer can't be one-shot with Wave Force, same with the demon, and the other MG's are either iffy if it will work or a flat out 'No, we're not doing that'.
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She is also a Rule affinity, which makes her also have Rule Bullshittm.
She has three spells.
Rule of Iron - which is a self-booster. Rule through Force.
Rule of Gold - which is Perception Control. It's probably Rule through Greed - in other words, some kind of mental effect that should make others follow her. It's Level 2, though, so probably not a staple of her tactics.
And a third spell with this flavor text, and without any damage: All good things come to an end...
I can't help but think it's probably a Save-or-Die or a Save-or-Suck.
[ ] Spell boost panoply, wave force Regent.
Actually, this one has a different proper form of vote (one that doesn't specify Spell Boost):
[X] Reach out and Wave Force someone
-[X] Silver Regent
[X] Save EXP
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Decim
On again, off again lurker.
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I think Spell Boost can be inferred to happen anyways.
[X] Reach out and Wave Force someone
-[X] Silver Regent
[X] Save EXP
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- Ekaterinburg, Russia
Huh, only just paid attention - Twisted Metal has Resilience N/A. That might be an issue... Small one.
Because I also ran the numbers on grappling, and while her Legend affinity makes her deal damage to us, 126 Final End Damage is so laughably low (barely exceeds one Self-Repair action, let alone two) we can probably justify tying her up with our Panoply and simply hauling her off.
So even if her N/A allows her to negate damage outright (doubtful) she is no problem. Unless her damaging spell is more impressive, because her Tail Cannons would plink over our defenses normally.
Because I also ran the numbers on grappling, and while her Legend affinity makes her deal damage to us, 126 Final End Damage is so laughably low (barely exceeds one Self-Repair action, let alone two) we can probably justify tying her up with our Panoply and simply hauling her off.
So even if her N/A allows her to negate damage outright (doubtful) she is no problem. Unless her damaging spell is more impressive, because her Tail Cannons would plink over our defenses normally.
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looking at twisted metals sheet, her defenses is almost certainly one of the weird ones. I'm assuming we won't be able to drop her without seeing her sheet.