I'm thinking catch a pokemon day 1, then do the gym. Then use whatever AP we have left on either visiting Ostia if they're elsewhere or doing the Optional Tasks.




Well, there are many potential pokemon we can find, but for those TinkaCHADS out there, East Cortondo might be the place to be.
Hm. Do I vote East to try and nab a Rock type or vote West to head off the flood of Tinkatink votes.

...more seriously what I actually want is a bird so I guess the real tactical vote is West for me.

Well, I don't care if we go for S-Rank or not, we have to repair the Route Lamp. It's a right of passage for trails protagonists!
Oh absolutely. We can't not, even if it's "optional".
 
But Roland getting juggled is objectively funny.
ftfy :V

aside from that: knowing that the Gym takes three full FE AP makes it a whole lot more attractive to me to spend a weekly AP instead? We'll have to see how many Optional Tasks there are going to be, but challenging the gym is definitely going to cut significantly into our ability to get max ranking for the FE, unless the Gym contributes to that as well.
 
  • (3/3) Winner of the 2018 Paldean League Conference. Managed to beat Rika and Poppy's predecessor, Old Man Tenma. Lost to Elite Four member Larry Laureano. The second youngest currently reigning Gym Leader. A proud supporter of La Primera's reformist agenda and a Bug/Normal dual Type Trainer. Katie Aracelli would like to battle. vs. GYM LEADER KATIE ARACELI. MAJOR BATTLE 2V2

Okay so who has Katy been fused with?
 
aside from that: knowing that the Gym takes three full FE AP makes it a whole lot more attractive to me to spend a weekly AP instead? We'll have to see how many Optional Tasks there are going to be, but challenging the gym is definitely going to cut significantly into our ability to get max ranking for the FE, unless the Gym contributes to that as well.
Renne has teleport, we can come back later once we bond with her more/catch another usable Pokémon.
Okay so who has Katy been fused with?
So, I'm immediately going to be proven wrong after saying this, but no one?
I think the only real difference is that Katy was given a political belief which is more in-line with the setting, rather then being fused with a trails character or stereotype.
The First Time Gym will always cost 3 AP in a Field Exercise. Remember, doing it with the Weekly AP will take 1 AP that Week and another AP the Week after.
That still sounds like an AP benefit to do it on school weeks :D
 
This will cut into our AP economy during the FE but it might be worth going to the store in Cortondo to grab a potion and antidote to prep for the gym, depending on how our 3rd Pokémon encounter goes Roland may need to solo so having that would useful.
 
So, I'm immediately going to be proven wrong after saying this, but no one?
I think the only real difference is that Katy was given a political belief which is more in-line with the setting, rather then being fused with a trails character or stereotype.
That was my thought too. At best she might take Claire's extremely specific chapter 1 role of saving our asses from inevitable horseshit, but that'd be it.

Honestly the biggest interest here to me is her picking up a secondary type, but that could just be for the sake of giving her a broader pool of Pokémon who are applicable to first-badge challenges.

Also the fact that "Old Man" is apparently a forename in Paldea.


EDIT: Oh you know what, Katy's political leanings are probably the provocation for the Provincial Army ignoring/employing the ""poachers"". They're trying to get a Reformist embarrassed or ousted for "not doing her job".
 
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That was my thought too. At best she might take Claire's extremely specific chapter 1 role of saving our asses from inevitable horseshit, but that'd be it.

Honestly the biggest interest here to me is her picking up a secondary type, but that could just be for the sake of giving her a broader pool of Pokémon who are applicable to first-badge challenges.

Also the fact that "Old Man" is apparently a forename in Paldea.

Well her ace in her gym fight is a Teddiursa in the game. The whole Terastallizing thing means that most of the gym leaders get one off Type pokemon while still counting as monotype teams.
 
Honestly the biggest interest here to me is her picking up a secondary type, but that could just be for the sake of giving her a broader pool of Pokémon who are applicable to first-badge challenges.
I think part of that is just that her Ace is a Teddiursa that she Bug Tera Types.
And if that is the basis then we can vaguely guess what dual typing every gym leader is going to lean on.

...It's funny that by this logic, Iono, the Electric gym leader, is now Electric and Ghost specalized, and Ryme, the Ghost gym leader, is now Ghost and Electric specialized. There's a comment to make about how they're both entertainers with Ghost and Electric types huh?

EDIT: Technically Ryme can be Ghost Poison I suppose but the double Electric Ghost is funnier.
 
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Hm. Do I vote East to try and nab a Rock type or vote West to head off the flood of Tinkatink votes.
Assuming that the rules are the same as last time, TInkatink's probably a 1/3 chance anyway.

Though if the dice do want to keep giving me my preferred options I won't complain.

That still sounds like an AP benefit to do it on school weeks :D
I imagine field study daily AP would be less valuable than weekly AP?

It'd make sense just for the timescales involved.

Also the fact that "Old Man" is apparently a forename in Paldea.
Thar or he's like Colonel Richards. He has a first name, he really does. And he swears it's not Colonel.
 
The weekly gym option says challenging during a FE allows you to skip the Gym Challenge, so is that challenge replace with a Minor battle against a gym trainer for our first badge? With later gyms having an actual Challenge of some kind for that first AP instead?
Then FE gyms will cost 2AP from the second badge onwards.

I'm still leaning towards doing the gym during this exercise, there's too many neat things to do in the city that we're already struggling to find time for.

Edit: Though there is the poaching sub-plot to worry about as well. Maybe we can combo it with catching our third Pokémon?
 
As they said up above, we already have a Quest and knights love Quests, we'd probably have volunteers to help us seal the Four for the rest of our life and then for generations after if we chose to let them in on that secret.
While it PROBABLY won't happen but if we do manage to seal them up only for some dumbass with a sandwich obsessed lizard to unseal them because Raifort told them too I will laugh.
 
Arvis, I'm so proud of you.

You've caught your questers in a trap; either they have to choose to be inefficient with their AP by going to the gym during the FE, or they fall behind Nemona, who will definitely be getting her first badge here and probably her next before the second FE.

Good job :')
 
I don't know about efficiency per se. Based on the length, we'll have around 8-10 AP to spend in a field exercise, vs. 3 in a normal week. Gyms cost 3 AP in an FE (about 1/3) and 2, spread across two weeks, in normal weeks (2/3, or 1/3 but twice). It's still more "efficient" to do in an FE, but the real problem comes in opportunity cost, since there's a lot more to do with FE AP relative to a regular week, like individual sidequests, Pokémon catching, and spending AP on Bonding, not to mention things that might be there but haven't come up yet.
 
It's funnier because his name is Colonel Richard, so it sounds like you're just calling him Colonel Firstname.

(His real first name is Alan but I don't think anyone except maybe the queen has ever called him that).
His fault, really. Who ever heard of a JRPG villain, even a temporary one, called Alan?

That's as ridiculous as a JRPG protagonist named Kevin.

While it PROBABLY won't happen but if we do manage to seal them up only for some dumbass with a sandwich obsessed lizard to unseal them because Raifort told them too I will laugh.
Raifort's definitely going to do something. She is, after all, our Nemesis.

She'll unseal a Treasure of Ruin to get her revenge after we finally finish filing the adoption papers for Ostia.
 
its only the first gym thats 3-for-1, the first gym is the only one with a Gym trainer challenge so normally its only going to be 2 AP to do a gym challenge. I still think we cant really just willingly cede ground like this to Nemona this early on with regards to the gym race
 
its only the first gym thats 3-for-1, the first gym is the only one with a Gym trainer challenge so normally its only going to be 2 AP to do a gym challenge. I still think we cant really just willingly cede ground like this to Nemona this early on with regards to the gym race
I can practically guarantee that Nemona will be walking out of the second Field Exercise with three badges at a minimum.

There is, theoretically, room for her to be walking out of that Field Exercise with four.

It's really funny to me to see people thinking about which is more efficient in terms of action costs, etc. I posted a good while ago about how people are going to have to really dig in and accept sacrifices if they want to keep up with Nemona when people were hesitant just on spending money on Advanced Battle, but it goes much, much farther than just that.

Here's a question; at any point in the quest, has Nemona been depicted as doing anything that doesn't relate back to battling?

All of her social encounters have involved either encountering her out on the training fields, or encountering her watching high-level people battling. She's explicitly called out that she gets ideas for insane techniques like a first-badge Chimchar learning how to fly using fire by watching those same high-level battles, too.

Don't take this as me arguing that Mary should go all-in; but even as people discuss the merits of whether to go for the badge during the Field Exercise or after, I'm calling it that either option will have Mary falling substantially behind Nemona.
 
She's not compared to the sun because we can just walk up to her. Or even touch her at all.

Personally I'd like to have an arc of steering off of this one-sided rivalry and coming to the realization that we can be a very, very good Pokémon battler without literally being The Very Best Like No One Ever Was. Aiming for Nemona and missing but hitting like an Eight Badge first year is still an absolutely incredible result, I just think the arc there is getting Mariana to realize that.
 
Catching another pokemon does sound good simply so we're not as obligated to spend our actions to improve our bond with our Espurr early on. I'm not pokemon-brained enough to know which regions or types we should be prioritizing.

I don't really care about whether we tackle the gym this time around unless it does seem to be among the better options available. Probably will wait and see what the full list of tasks winds up looking like.
 
I can practically guarantee that Nemona will be walking out of the second Field Exercise with three badges at a minimum.

There is, theoretically, room for her to be walking out of that Field Exercise with four.

It's really funny to me to see people thinking about which is more efficient in terms of action costs, etc. I posted a good while ago about how people are going to have to really dig in and accept sacrifices if they want to keep up with Nemona when people were hesitant just on spending money on Advanced Battle, but it goes much, much farther than just that.

Here's a question; at any point in the quest, has Nemona been depicted as doing anything that doesn't relate back to battling?

All of her social encounters have involved either encountering her out on the training fields, or encountering her watching high-level people battling. She's explicitly called out that she gets ideas for insane techniques like a first-badge Chimchar learning how to fly using fire by watching those same high-level battles, too.

Don't take this as me arguing that Mary should go all-in; but even as people discuss the merits of whether to go for the badge during the Field Exercise or after, I'm calling it that either option will have Mary falling substantially behind Nemona.

Oh Mariana absolutely will fall behind Nemona, there's no doubt about it. The question is "when will Mariana realise she's chasing a unachievable goal?" and the first badge isn't it. We're never going to keep up with her, but I think Mariana trying this early to keep pace in badges is interesting.

Mariana's original goal - and one that still drives her - is to get strong enough to take over from Old Man Jenkins and protect the tribe. That includes the Stakes, but isn't solely just them, although it's the duty Jenkins has charged us with while he's still alive. Nemona isn't our long-term goal, but she is the catalyst for Mariana's growth at the nearly protagonist-level she will have, rather than the sedate one Jenkins said she could take. That and the inferiority complex manifesting as overachievement.
 
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I think an interesting potential arc for Mariana could be summarized as, "just because you're chasing the sun, doesn't mean you need to copy its arc to end up at the same place." I thinks it entirely possible, maybe even probable, for Mariana to reach the same level as Nemona but there's about a snowball's chance in hell of her getting there at the same rate. And I think that's a good thing. As Tempera pointed out, battling is the only thing Nemona is about. And I think that's a little sad. From what I've read Nemona amassing all this strength and having nothing she really wants to do with it other than fight is what kicks off her plot in canon ScarVi. Nemona and Poppy are similar in their overall lack of goals but Poppy is also like eight years old.

Mariana has obligations and bonds with others that may initially prevent her from the insane pace of Nemona but I also think those same things will provide her a breadth of experience to make her a happier, stronger person and maybe even trainer than Nemona can currently be.

Also Larry and Jacinto are cousins or something, neat.
 
Mariana has obligations and bonds with others that may initially prevent her from the insane pace of Nemona but I also think those same things will provide her a breadth of experience to make her a happier, stronger person and maybe even trainer than Nemona can currently be.

I'm gonna be real that is peak cope talking. Nemona is just Better than Mariana is. She's Just That Good, and is doing so while living her best life. How does Mariana cope with that, and accept that being good doesn't mean others are just better than you are? when does she accept that Nemona is beyond her, and build a relationship built on friendship, not competition? That's the interesting path ahead.
 
I'm gonna be real that is peak cope talking. Nemona is just Better than Mariana is. She's Just That Good, and is doing so while living her best life. How does Mariana cope with that, and accept that being good doesn't mean others are just better than you are? when does she accept that Nemona is beyond her, and build a relationship built on friendship, not competition? That's the interesting path ahead.
I mean Arvis has said we can keep up with her if we dedicate ourself at least the last time we checked
 
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