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5D Antipytamid said:
Why would anyone other than conservative-religious fanatics would want to regulate this? Isn't this , you know , a thing that just makes everyone's life much better?
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Keep in mind that elves are already extremely optimised from a genetic standpoint, so most everything that isnt simple cosmetic changes is a tradeoff in some respect. Theres very little room for straight improvements.

Also most elves are older than your grandparents.
 
Blackstar said:
[]Green Right: Accepting the PPP conception that the PSC can be fairly trivially led around has its risks. However, forming an actual coalition with them could allow for a considerable amount of the agenda to pass. Several local laws will likely have to be compromised but the PSC has frankly minimal demands for entering a coalition likely from not being in government for so long. Restoring some figures from the past and launching an official re-evaluation is a tiny cost for preserving the species. The PPP itself will need some economic concessions as the second major partner but that can be provided at little cost. (GP-PPP-PSC)
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Patriots in control! My heart is a fluter and my arms are ready!
 
5D Antipytamid said:
Why would anyone other than conservative-religious fanatics would want to regulate this? Isn't this , you know , a thing that just makes everyone's life much better?
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Because getting some of these modifications may have implications for the people around you? Some possibly have side effects? Possibly precedents before the nuclear war of people being modified under circumstances of plausible consent? Fear of creating (as existed before the war, perhaps) a quasi-permanent class of genetically enhanced uber-elves?
 
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[]Agricultural Support: The production of millions of tons of fertilizers is going to be essential for the recovery of terrestrial agriculture. Preemptive fixation of nitrogen rather than reliance on plants can significantly improve the economy of agriculture by reducing labor. The majority of the program will center around the construction of several highly efficient ammonia reactors, ensuring a stable supply of materials. With improved energy production the new systems can be built with a mind towards green hydrogen production, cracking seawater for feed-stock. (Increases Electricity Demand)
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No love for this in the plans? I am pretty sure this would increase the number of actions through the private sector. I know it consumes electricity, but agriculture is especially important if we are to transition to starch. Not to mention all kinds of things it can give, not just food. Textiles, all kinds of alcohol (wine, beer, spirits), tobacco, gum, cork, woods etc. All of those things can be an engine of growth for the economy, not to mention their newfound availability would boost the popularity of the current Green-PDL coalition so it should be quite popular. It also gives us hydrogen for use in transportation in industry.
 
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[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Balanced
-[X]Industrial Desalination:
-[X]Further Hardening Programs:
-[X]Construction Initiatives:
-[X]Genetic Conservation Programs:
-[X]Reversal of the Starch Program:
-[X]Electric Shipyards:
-[X]Electrification of Industry:
-[X]Transportation Electrification:
-[X]Reactor Mass Production:
-[X]Mass Renewable Deployment
-[X]Cybernetic Programs
-[X]New AFV Manufacturing:
-[X]Dannan-1 Industries:
-[X]Large-Scale Habitation:
-[X]Local Orbital Production:
-[X]Green Progressives:

Okay, posting the plan I like the most, which is the balanced version that has a less profit chasing military selection. AFV's are getting built because the army is getting desperate so we should do it for them, meanwhile Dannan-1 industries is gonna make improve space construction even further for sequel quest, improve space logistics via local production capabilities and it should synergise very well with the Habitation + Local Orbital Production and improve our position in space quest and allow us to construct the mining fleet + infrastructure needed at the start of that quest a lot cheaper I imagine.

+3-1 = +2 choices as a measure of economic growth, although it isnt directly relevant to us anymore. More importantly it makes it impossible for the private sector to reduce the change of choice below 0 if they pick all the electricity demanding actions, which would be unfortunate for the Green cause. Otherwise I think this is a solid plan with completely acceptable growth and a very strong focus on combatting ecological collapse in the relevant sectors, which is both good for the planet, but also our people who are clearly growing despondent over the ongoing ecological disaster.
 
[X] Plan: Militant Ecology+Economy
-[X]Industrial Desalination:
-[X]Further Hardening Programs:
-[X]Construction Initiatives:
-[X]Genetic Conservation Programs:
-[X]Reversal of the Starch Program:

-[X]Electric Shipyards:
-[X]Reactor Mass Production:
-[X]Mass Renewable Deployment:
-[X]Cybernetic Programs:

-[X]New AFV Manufacturing:
-[X]Modernization of the Naval Force:
-[X]Dannan-1 Industries:
-[X]Expanding the Mining Fleet:
-[X]Large-Scale Habitation:
-[X]Local Orbital Production:

-[X] Green Progressives:

We certainly can do more than just the bare minimum of military investment if this is the last turn before we get kicked over there.

The procurement choice to prevent further decay, the procurement choice that provides a critical planetary defense lynchpin, and 4 more choices to build up a lot of local industry in orbit and on the moon able plus much better mining ships, even if we don't have the big guns to shoot the metal back with should leave us in a good position.

+3-1=+2 choices next turn as a benchmark for this plan, even if we aren't going to benefit as directly from those extra choices, thanks to the Electric Shipping and Cybernetics providing some growth. Has 2 Electricity Production left over to eat any growth from the Private Sector, which I imagine will happen since it's almost a 50% chance to roll one of them and we're doing it twice. We need to roll both specifically Industrial Electrification and another one to have a problem.

Then it also still does a lot for dealing with the climate issues through even more hardening, mass desalinization, killing off the oceans full of starch, trying to bring back some of the dead species, better concrete we need to make less of, and lots of less green power.
 
[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Balanced

I want the most boring procurement to happen automatically before we take over. Getting into the nitty gritty about nuclear submarines or high performance aerospace craft or mining spaceships is fun. Tanks I'm... still into, generally, but definitely burned out on compared to the other presented nerd bait.
 
[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Galchobar Edition
-[X]Industrial Desalination:
-[X]Further Hardening Programs:
-[X]Construction Initiatives:
-[X]Genetic Conservation Programs:
-[X]Reversal of the Starch Program:
-[X]Electric Shipyards:
-[X]Electrification of Industry:
-[X]Transportation Electrification:
-[X]Reactor Mass Production:
-[X]Mass Renewable Deployment
-[X]Cybernetic Programs
-[X]New AFV Manufacturing:
-[X]Dannan-1 Industries:
-[X]Large-Scale Habitation:
-[X]Local Orbital Production:
-[x]Green Right

I like the plan a lot. Only thing it lacked to be perfect was a green right coalition that could bring our glorious leader back. It's time bros.
 
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Galchobar is not returning the army would rather nuke Parliament then let his paranoid but more importantly scatterbraind decision priority back in charge.
 
Manowl said:
Galchobar is not returning the army would rather nuke Parliament then let his paranoid but more importantly scatterbraind decision priority back in charge.
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He's not gonna get to be in charge anytime soon yes but he can be back in the army serving the people as an officer. Not!Elves are immortal and we patriots are willing to wait.
 
DkArthas said:
He's not gonna get to be in charge anytime soon yes but he can be back in the army serving the people as an officer. Not!Elves are immortal and we patriots are willing to wait.
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They likely have a policy of killing anyone that looks like they will try to free him on whatever Island they turned into a fortress prison they put him in.
 
Manowl said:
Galchobar is not returning the army would rather nuke Parliament then let his paranoid but more importantly scatterbraind decision priority back in charge.
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Parliament is likes Galchobhar ten times less than the army tbh. The army agrees a lot more with his decision-making than the civilian government does. Neither of them want him in charge though, yes, or think its a good idea to put him into a position where he can coup the government. There are quite few positions that allow you to coup the government though.
 
[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Galchobar Edition

Just a little bit of PSC gamering, as a treat. Also doing a Ros version because I think the reformist left has been in power too long. They need a quick break outside of government to get their shit together (and join up with the actual revolutionaries who wish to end capitalism).

[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Ros Edition
-[X]Industrial Desalination:
-[X]Further Hardening Programs:
-[X]Construction Initiatives:
-[X]Genetic Conservation Programs:
-[X]Reversal of the Starch Program:
-[X]Electric Shipyards:
-[X]Electrification of Industry:
-[X]Transportation Electrification:
-[X]Reactor Mass Production:
-[X]Mass Renewable Deployment
-[X]Cybernetic Programs
-[X]New AFV Manufacturing:
-[X]Dannan-1 Industries:
-[X]Large-Scale Habitation:
-[X]Local Orbital Production:
-[X]Green Progress
 
[X]Plan Black Sun Rising
-[X]Industrial Desalination
-[X]Further Hardening Programs
-[X]Construction Initiatives
-[X]Genetic Conservation Programs:
-[X]Reversal of the Starch Program
-[X]Electric Shipyards
-[X]Metal Recycling Programs
-[X]Agricultural Support
-[X]Reactor Mass Production
-[X]Mass Renewable Deployment
-[X]Cybernetic Programs
-[X]New AFV Manufacturing
-[X]Modernization of the Naval Force
-[X]Dannan-1 Industries
-[X]Going Further
-[X]Green Right

So the general idea is to make the transition off starch as pain-free as possible. I'm also hitting two rearmament buttons while giving a propaganda win with Gowing Further, yes it's not rapidly scaling space but I think it's good to pay off the actual military arm of the militray and pushing exploration hopfully softens the public. It goes +2 on electricy demand which hedges against most private sector outcomes. And of course I'm a good patriot.

[X]Plan Cutting Carbon, Galchobar Edition
 
I think we need to care about electricity demand more than just "don't let our net change in choices per turn go negative." If the private sector picks a choice that increases demand on the grid more than we can supply that extra demand isn't going to just vanish into the ether with a nebulous effect of "the government can do less next plan," so what does not having enough power in the grid actually mean? All the industries that need the power are going to start competing with everyone else for it because there's not enough to go around, and that's probably to result in electricity rationing or rolling black/brownouts as there's not enough production to actually power everything at the same time. The Greens coming in and saying "we're not going to let people build these cheap and effective fossil fuel power plants because they cause pollution," and then immediately causing black/brownouts for the general populace from a lack of power generation even when they go full hog on their renewables and nuclear plants doesn't seem like it would be the best for their future electoral chances and ability to implement policies.
 
I seriously doubt that the Greens or parliament in general would accept rolling brownouts and blackouts for the population, especially not over a whole plan. What it would mean in effect is modernisation and economic growth slowing down to keep pace with power capacity. That would be suboptimal but I dont see that bad backlash from the maximum which is... growth* temporarily halting

*note that choices arent directly equivalent to GNP. Its extremely hard to imagine growth actually stagnating for a 5 year period when we're gaining 4 power and large industrial investments. It more means less ability to freely invest in the future, hence the fewer choices.
 
To put it in perspective, the start of the 2nd plan gave us 9 choices, the start of the 6th plan 20 elf years later (so like 36 human years later), which is the current turns plan, gives us 15 options. Our economy has not grown less than 100% in 36 human years.
 
Doubt it, our Aid Program costs actions. So I think "15 option" are just our free budget after spending on other non-investment things.
 
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