Tome of the Orange Sky (Naruto/MGLN)

Wasn't the proctor also a plant/mole for Orochimaru? I thought he was in there with the rest of the preliminary contestants in disguise.
Orochimaru is there disguised as the Jounin Instructor for the Oto team. The proctor is Hayate Gekko, who is later killed by Baki after overhearing him meeting with Kabuto to discuss the invasion, to prevent him from reporting back to the Hokage about it. Genma Shiranui then took over as proctor for the third part of the Chunin Exams, explaining that this was because Hayate was no longer available.

Kabuto later brought Hayate back with the Impure World Reincarnation, as part of his "zombie army".
 
Picturing the first time Sakura saw Ino after "The Incident":

Sakura: "..."

Ino: "What?"

Sakura (glomps Ino): "PUPPY!" (picks Ino up and runs home with her)

Ino: "What the!? SENSEI! I'M BEING KIDNAPPED BY ONE OF MY CLASSMATES AGAIN!"

Sasuke: "You'd think after the third time she'd be better at dodging."

Amy: "Why is nobody trying to kidnap me!?"
 
Presumably with the "real" jounin-sensei still alive to play the role while Orochimaru was playing the role of Rasa later.

My headcanon is that Orochimaru killed Rasa because his venom in the finals was killed by Gaara. His plan needed him sitting next to the Hokage, and he can't do that if he has no Genin participating.
Until then, Rasa was probably Alive, and was only killed on his way to Konoha for the Finals.
 
My headcanon is that Orochimaru killed Rasa because his venom in the finals was killed by Gaara. His plan needed him sitting next to the Hokage, and he can't do that if he has no Genin participating.
Until then, Rasa was probably Alive, and was only killed on his way to Konoha for the Finals.
That makes a lot of sense. Rasa had a great wide-area technique that would have been quite valuable in an invasion. It would make sense that Orochimaru wouldn't waste that resource unless something higher priority necessitated it.
 
Huh then where did his intelligence go?
I don't know. My only info on this was someone noticing that in the movies, as his horcrux(s?) were destroyed he seemed to move away from the various complex and impressive spells that he threw around like candy in his fight against Dumbledore in the ministry to just Avada Kedavra and sicking Nagini on them.
 
Voldemort in canon appears to have become more unstable (mentally) as he created more soul jars. His teenage self was charismatic and charming. As seen both in the flashbacks and the shade contained in the diary. That diary was his first soul jar, so it contained half of his soul. That fragment was able to convince Harry that Hagrid was the one who had opened the chamber of secrets. He didn't start monologue until the very end when he was certain of absolute victory. Particularly, not until after Harry had been bitten by the basilisk. Then there's the physical deterioration. Consider that Voldemort was instantly recognized after his resurrection despite the deformities. This would imply that the deformities were not caused by the resurection, but had been present before his fateful attack on the Potters in Godric's Hollow. This would suggest that as he split his soul off into ever smaller pieces, his body began to deform and degrade along with his sanity. Hell, by the time he killed the Potters, Voldemort's body was so damn unstable that a rebounded killing curse caused it to explode violently. That curse shouldn't have caused his body to explode like that.

Orochimaru on the other hand probably hasn't suffered deterioration of his body. His snake like features I think are a sign of him being an imperfect sage. Just as Jaiyra gets toad eyes and features when he enters sage mode. If he is putting pieces of his soul in some of the cursed seals, I suspect this has had a degrading effect on Orochimaru's sanity though.
 
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Huh then where did his intelligence go?
He was a wizard. Compare Hermione is the first book with Hermione in the last book, and you'll see that the logic/common-sense drain exists independent of any Horcrux.

Orochimaru on the other hand probably hasn't suffered deterioration of his body. His snake like features I think are a sign of him being an imperfect sage. Just as Jaiyra gets toad eyes and features when he enters sage mode. If he is putting pieces of his soul in some of the cursed seals, I suspect this has had a degrading effect on Orochimaru's sanity though.
Flashbacks show Orochimaru has having most of his snake-like appearance while still a child, as a genin. The only things we don't see are some of his more snake-like mannerisms such as his extreme flexibility, or his prehensile tongue.

(Incidentally: with JKR's predilection for poor fake-French with her villains — Voldemort, Malfoy, etc — should we consider the possibility that "Horcrux" is plural, and "Horcru" is the singular?)
 
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(Incidentally: with JKR's predilection for poor fake-French with her villains — Voldemort, Malfoy, etc — should we consider the possibility that "Horcrux" is plural, and "Horcru" is the singular?)
No, because we literally hear/read "a horcrux" multiple times, starting in book 6, and I think we see "Horcruxes" some time in book 7. I don't know what the origin of the word is, but the magic itself is a Greek adaptation of Egyptian canoptic spells, according to the expanded lore, created by the same guy that invented the Basilisk.
 
Huh then where did his intelligence go?

He remained intelligent. He degraded in other ways, losing sanity and humanity, gleefully sacrificing them for a bit more power, to be just that little bit more protected against the terror that drove him, the fear of death. People read Voldemort, which translates to "flee from death", and think he refers to his victims rather than himself.

Orochimaru on the other hand probably hasn't suffered deterioration of his body. His snake like features I think are a sign of him being an imperfect sage. Just as Jaiyra gets toad eyes and features when he enters sage mode. If he is putting pieces of his soul in some of the cursed seals, I suspect this has had a degrading effect on Orochimaru's sanity though.

The assumption is that any split of his soul is even, but it could easily be that each of his resurrection seals barely has enough of his soul in it for the rest of him to flow to the seal of his choice to take over the person he marked. Unlike Moldy Voldy, he at least put his seals on things that would make good vessels for his essence.

He was a wizard. Compare Hermione is the first book with Hermione in the last book, and you'll see that the logic/common-sense drain exists independent of any Horcrux.

Wizards lack logic, true, at least in general. It's in the fourth book that I start seeing something more sinister, when Hermione can't consider even the possibility that a wizard made something that would operate like a muggle invention. She increasingly becomes so distanced from muggles that, by graduation, it would be hard to tell a muggleborn from a pureblood. Combine this idea with the way that any idea cribbed from muggles becomes so distorted as to barely be recognizable, despite the large numbers of muggleborns who could fix such glaring flaws(such as locking seats in place in the Knight Bus), and I began to suspect a deliberate, persistent magical effect that slowly weakened any muggle-born's connection to the muggle world while having no such effect on half-bloods or people like Harry, born to magical parents but raised by muggles.
 
There is one reason I'd assume that Orochimaru is better off than Voldemort overall.

While obviously not all there and utterly amoral, Orochimaru is a scholar first and foremost. He doesn't seem to be particularly scared of death, but instead is interested in the ability to study the world for as long as he possible can. While Voldemort is a coward first and foremost, being afraid of death to the point that he ran so far and so fast from it that he ended up smashing into it from the other end.

So, unlike Moldybob, Orochi would likely actually make sure that it's the least debilitating to him.
 
While obviously not all there and utterly amoral, Orochimaru is a scholar first and foremost. He doesn't seem to be particularly scared of death, but instead is interested in the ability to study the world for as long as he possible can. While Voldemort is a coward first and foremost, being afraid of death to the point that he ran so far and so fast from it that he ended up smashing into it from the other end.

I'm reminded of an old quote, poetry, i think... "Because I would not wait for death, he kindly stopped for me."
 
Here is something you guys are not considering Chakra is a balanced mixture of spirit energy & physical energy in the Naruto-verse. So lets say the soul might affect spirit energy and if their is any kind of damage to soul, it might mean less spirit energy which in turn will limit the amount of chakra an individual can produce. it is unknown if the method that Orochimaru uses to revive himself will cause damage to his soul and if it does it is unknown if it causes mental instability or spiritual diminishment. I would be curious how @CmptrWz will explain on what is actually happening to Orochimaru.
 
it is unknown if the method that Orochimaru uses to revive himself will cause damage to his soul and if it does it is unknown if it causes mental instability or spiritual diminishment.

Here is the thing of Orochimaru: his own immortality-via-possession also heal damages to his soul, as seen in the aftermath of the Failed Invasion, where the Third used the Call-Shinigami-Seal to rip away the part of Orochimaru's soul connected to his arms (he was trying for the whole snake, but age and wounds hindered him), making him unable to use hand seals. Note that Kabuto pointed that normal medical Jutsu did not work for it.

What did Orochimaru do?

First he sought Tsunade, with a Devil's Offer of "You heal my arms, I resurrect your two Loved Ones with my Edo Tensei".

When negotiations fell by virtue of Naruto's Therapy No Jutsu on Tsunade, he simply said "Ok, no matter, I have other ways to get back in shape".

Cue Orochimaru possessing one of his next Body Candidates and the damage to his arms was undone.

This series of events show that, unless the soul is damaged/put away whole, souls in the Naruto-verse can heal overtime.
 
Cue Orochimaru possessing one of his next Body Candidates and the damage to his arms was undone.
No, it wasn't. His arms weren't fully healed until he used the shinigami mask to get Hiruzen and Minato out for Sasuke to get his answers. Which also got his arms out. There was a whole scene with Orochimaru yelling at Kabuto that it (switching bodies) should have worked (to heal his arms). And there was the scene when Orochimaru fought biju-rage-mode Naruto without using hand-signs because his arms were still fucked up three years later. It was heavily implied that the whole reason Orochimaru knew about the shinigami mask was that he was trying to figure out how to get full use of his arms back.
 
Here is the thing of Orochimaru: his own immortality-via-possession also heal damages to his soul, as seen in the aftermath of the Failed Invasion, where the Third used the Call-Shinigami-Seal to rip away the part of Orochimaru's soul connected to his arms (he was trying for the whole snake, but age and wounds hindered him), making him unable to use hand seals. Note that Kabuto pointed that normal medical Jutsu did not work for it.

Roman belief was that it took seven years for a soul to heal itself, once injured. This is where the "seven years of bad luck" comes from; they were far from the only people to feel that shattering something that held your reflection was damaging to the soul, but they're the only one I know of* to actually put forth a time for a soul to heal itself. The Egyptiians looked at souls as having a lot of parts working together, so you'd have to know which part of the soul is being harmed to predict the damage to the person whose soul is injured.

*As a base source, at least. The belief naturally spread over the centuries.

Orochimaru is very clearly a sociopath, and always was such, just as Voldemort was. He's not a particularly good researcher, doing far too much in the way of "lets throw a thousand people in the pit, last one standing was clearly the best of them" to demonstrate any awareness of the scientific method. I'm sure many of his experiments tried to induce things in others he wanted to replicate in himself, to test their impact. He had no aversion to losing some of his humanity, but only after finding out how big of an impact those changes would have. Many of his most inhuman features may have come directly from deals with the snakes he can summon. Finding out that Naruto can give people access to ALL elements, including the combinations, would tempt him to do so many things that it's hard to see what path this version might take.
 
In the end he decided that Kabuto deserved a challenge and set the system to think that he was a 'duplicate' of Gaara. A decidedly-not-a-genin against a jinchuriki should at least be an interesting match to watch, right?
Just so much of that entire chapter was great, but this part in particular is a delightfully inspired form of evil. The confusion will be glorious. And probably also the swearing.
 
Do you have a source for this?

I don't recall with any certainty. I'm a big fan of mythology and have studied a lot of it*. Most of it was picking up all sorts of odd books or coming across strangle articles, the stranger, the better. The pope who declared that to deny the existence of werewolves as heresy(which was reversed by the next pope) was one of those fun articles I enjoyed. I know some of... well, a LOT of mythology that wasn't extensively documented at the time gets all kind of really passionate arguments for various interpretations and original sources.

*Global myths, not just European. Too many people only think of Greek/Roman stuff when they think of mythology at all.

Just so much of that entire chapter was great, but this part in particular is a delightfully inspired form of evil. The confusion will be glorious. And probably also the swearing.

Remember, Kabuto always bows out before the final round. He's done it 6 times, I think, as of Naruto's first exam, always getting to the end, but then 'suffering such horrible luck' leading him to withdraw over and over. If he'd wanted to be promoted, in canon, he could have insisted that he was great support via being a good medic, and just less of a direct combat specialist. All it would take to make him a perfectly fine chunin, even at the time of the invasion, and only showing what he actually did in canon, would be to ensure he was always paired with strong combatants who weren't good enough tactically for leadership roles.

Seriously, no more than four rounds of elimination, at most, twice a year(and only when its at an ally you trust your shinobi to be vulnerable around) is the source for all promotions to chunin? Bull. Getting seven teams though to the final stage shows his ability every bit as much as, possibly more than, how he fights in an arena, with an audience.
 
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I did some checking around, it was not that park ranger, it was a man called Walter Summerford that was hit four times.

Well, three, the last one was on his grave four years after he died. All strikes seem to have been six years apart. 1918, 1924, 1930, and then two year later died... and his grave was struck four years later.
 
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I did some checking around, it was not that park ranger, it was a man called Walter Summerford that was hit four times.

Well, three, the last one was on his grave four years after he died. All strikes seem to have been six years apart. 1918, 1924, 1930, and then two year later died... and his grave was struck four years later.

Of course, as I understand it there's no actual evidence he'd been struck so many times due to records at the time being spotty. Thus it could have been just an urban legend. Or him telling tall tales. Or it might actually have happened, it's impossible to actually say.
 
I don't recall with any certainty. I'm a big fan of mythology and have studied a lot of it*. Most of it was picking up all sorts of odd books or coming across strangle articles, the stranger, the better.
I have never heard of the concept of a "soul injury" in a non-christian roman context and so I think you have misremembered something.
 
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