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I still think it's worth flipping the guy. After all we can get a double agent and that is what the British did a lot of the time when they found German spies during WWII, they made them into double agents and we all know who won WWII and Britian also had the greatest spy Network (or one of them) during WWII.

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It is a very nice Xanatos gambit, yes.
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Well if we flip the guy to our side then we can turn it against the asshole. Man I'd love to see his reaction if we turn the guy to our side and have him help us when we get to the climatic confrontation against the Wyld Hunt.
 
Derekc2 said:
I still think it's worth flipping the guy. After all we can get a double agent and that is what the British did a lot of the time when they found German spies during WWII.


Well if we flip the guy to our side then we can turn it against the asshole. Man I'd love to see his reaction if we turn the guy to our side and have him help us when we get to the climatic confrontation against the Wyld Hunt.
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Not really, no. He won't be giving you one of his Personal henchmen, just one of the middle-ranking monks in his entourage, and he'll know if they're going native before they do, assuming he bothers to stay in close contact with them at all.

Rising Flame is Very good at what he does, and what he does is smoke out Anathema and then kill them dead.

Nothing is more terrifying then a man who accepts that all things are secondary towards killing the demon, and has hardened his heart to adamant for the greater good.He's also not the scariest figure that can show up this Chapter. Pray you do not meet the Knife
 
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Alectai said:
Not really, no. He won't be giving you one of his Personal henchmen, just one of the middle-ranking monks in his entourage, and he'll know if they're going native before they do, assuming he bothers to stay in close contact with them at all.

Rising Flame is Very good at what he does, and what he does is smoke out Anathema and then kill them dead.
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...Damnit. Oh well, it's still worth it in my opinion to turn this guy onto our side. Well no one ever said this was going to be easy. Neither this nor Chapter 4 are going to be easy.

Though I hope that if we make it to chapter 5 you'll give us an breather chapter that's not going to be insanely difficult conflict against the Realm.
 
Derekc2 said:
...Damnit. Oh well, it's still worth it in my opinion to turn this guy onto our side. Well no one ever said this was going to be easy. Neither this nor Chapter 4 are going to be easy.

Though I hope that if we make it to chapter 5 you'll give us an breather chapter that's not going to be insanely difficult conflict against the Realm.
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Chapter 5 will be the start of the "Canon" Exalted era if you survive Chapter 4, though there will be a very lengthy intermission leading up to that point.
 
Alectai said:
Chapter 5 will be the start of the "Canon" Exalted era if you survive Chapter 4, though there will be a very lengthy intermission leading up to that point.
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So no breather chapter then? Well damnit.

How long would the intermision after chapter 4 be anyway? I'm going to presume the intermision between chapter 3 and 4 (in the assumption we make it through this chapter ok) is going to be an rather short intermision since in about an decade after this chapter the Realm is going to come with their army to kill us and probably any and all people of Yillali (or at least dragonblooded serving under our rule for being "traitors" to creation).
 
Derekc2 said:
...Damnit. Oh well, it's still worth it in my opinion to turn this guy onto our side. Well no one ever said this was going to be easy. Neither this nor Chapter 4 are going to be easy.

Though I hope that if we make it to chapter 5 you'll give us an breather chapter that's not going to be insanely difficult conflict against the Realm.
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Honestly, I think peoples' ego is playing very much into this 'we must make our new advisor betray the Immaculate Faith' thing. Which I think is also something an Immaculate Master like the Hunt leader understands. An Anathema would take this as a challenge, because Anathema are supposed to be arrogant bastards who think they can get away with anything.

Solar Social is good. It isn't actually perfect, and even in 2E making someone betray everything they believe in required some pretty drastic action to prevent them from understanding what you're doing and doing that whole 'Join Combat' thing. You basically had to kidnap people and probably beat them up to do a quick flip, and long-game it was very noticable.

Pissing in the head monk's Wheaties isn't going to be worth it when he's got a Knife ready to hack off your wedding tackle.
 
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Alectai said:
Nothing is more terrifying then a man who accepts that all things are secondary towards killing the demon, and has hardened his heart to adamant for the greater good.He's also not the scariest figure that can show up this Chapter. Pray you do not meet the Knife
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Well, that bodes poorly.

I'm betting turning the acolyte will raise suspicion?
 
Alectai said:
Chapter 5 will be the start of the "Canon" Exalted era if you survive Chapter 4, though there will be a very lengthy intermission leading up to that point.
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On that note, have you figured out what you plan to do with the Bull of the North? IIRC, he marched (will march?) his armies right past where we are. Though, the Bull's conquests are just as poor geographically as canon Halta, which is part of why I ask.
 
We pretty much have to take him, it's just that it may or may not actually be a worthwhile usage of Altren's time to actually flip the guy. Soften him a little bit because "lol we're just a pagan, it's cool guys" but beyond that as noted our time may well be better spent elsewhere. PIs on Military Actions, Training for a new Trait, etc
 
Well we can decide after the vote. Though I am in favor of turning the guy to the side of the Anathema. Plus if we don't turn him he might notice the effect of PI's and that is dangerous. Whilst if he is turned then he won't give any looks at our PI's and he'd not report such things. True he won't be able to trick Rising Flame he hasn't gone native but it's quite possible he will have intermiteraies have him report too, exspecially if we are able to sick the Wyld hunt on the "Arbirator" figure of the Freehold.
 
Derekc2 said:
Well we can decide after the vote. Though I am in favor of turning the guy to the side of the Anathema. Plus if we don't turn him he might notice the effect of PI's and that is dangerous. Whilst if he is turned then he won't give any looks at our PI's and he'd not report such things. True he won't be able to trick Rising Flame he hasn't gone native but it's quite possible he will have intermiteraies have him report too, exspecially if we are able to sick the Wyld hunt on the "Arbirator" figure of the Freehold.
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...he notices the effects of PI's over the rest of the Wyld Hunt how exactly?

Let's say that Altren spends a PI to supertrain the Heavy Infantry next turn. Please explain to me by what mechanism the Immaculate Piety Advisor is going to notice any particular effect of this that the rest of the Wyld Hunt wouldn't already notice.
 
Spectrum said:
...he notices the effects of PI's over the rest of the Wyld Hunt how exactly?

Let's say that Altren spends a PI to supertrain the Heavy Infantry next turn. Please explain to me by what mechanism the Immaculate Piety Advisor is going to notice any particular effect of this that the rest of the Wyld Hunt wouldn't already notice.
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It's unlikely that it would really be a problem it I think he's worried that someone might notice that any activity we are personally involved in works impossibly better for it which is a property of Solars. but I feel like except for the truly stupidly miraculous stuff that could all be attributed to the Exigent we are actively claiming to be anyway.
 
Alectai said:
Not really, no. He won't be giving you one of his Personal henchmen, just one of the middle-ranking monks in his entourage, and he'll know if they're going native before they do, assuming he bothers to stay in close contact with them at all.
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In which case it's safe to say that trying to turn him will raise loads of suspicion. Not really liking this situation, even with the extra piety action.
 
...Good point.
Condor12 said:
It's unlikely that it would really be a problem it I think he's worried that someone might notice that any activity we are personally involved in works impossibly better for it which is a property of Solars. but I feel like except for the truly stupidly miraculous stuff that could all be attributed to the Exigent we are actively claiming to be anyway.
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Admitly that was what I'm primarily worried of but when that's pointed out I can admit you guys are right. Still I think it's worth getting another Exalted to be personally loyal to us. We can never have to many loyal exalted exspecially with what we are going up against in this and the next chapter. Though if it does raise to much suspicion I'll drop it and join in on the 'get around him' camp but at the moment I'm in the 'turn the monk to our side' camp.
 
Derekc2 said:
So no breather chapter then? Well damnit.

How long would the intermision after chapter 4 be anyway? I'm going to presume the intermision between chapter 3 and 4 (in the assumption we make it through this chapter ok) is going to be an rather short intermision since in about an decade after this chapter the Realm is going to come with their army to kill us and probably any and all people of Yillali (or at least dragonblooded serving under our rule for being "traitors" to creation).
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Well, given that the game started approximately 250 years before "canon", and it's been about 100 since then, I figure we'll have at least another century between chapters 4 and 5.
 
So we're on good terms with some really high ranking gods right? How much time can they get us in terms of them stalling the Sidereals? They probably have at least some rough idea that they could give us a heads up on now, right?
 
[X] Accept the Offer (Permanent Piety Advisor secured, new Hero Unit. +1 Piety Action, Starting Wyld Hunt Suspicion at 5%)
This could be very useful, especially since we won't be able to do much personal bargaining while the hunt's around anyway, because the gods are laying low. My opinion on whether or not turning him is wise will be decided when we learn more about him.
EDIT-also, was this planned from the start, or a result of the high roll?
 
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Actually, if we can arrange for the piety advisor to die under 'suspicious circumstances' with some hints that there was a Lunar involved, and then have Neiya 'screw up' and lead the Hunt into the Wyld and escape them we'd probably have won anyway. The loss of the Hunt itself can be blamed on a Lunar with Raksha minions and we can, atleast for the first while, play up the 'shocked that we've been played' angle.

It won't last mind you, but still.


Anyway, Chapter 4 is probably going to be 'Wyld Hunt with a dozen or more Legions,' and I'm fairly certain that we'll be able to convince part of the Silver Pact to help us out. Either by convincing them to cause trouble elsewhere in Creation and forcing the Realm to tie down some Legions suppressing the following dissent or by asking them to stand with us as we engage the Realm in force.
 
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