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Through the Ages (Exalted CK2 Style Empire Builder)

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Hey I've been wondering...
What do we need to do to get Neiya a PI (she shouldn't have more on her plate than we do)?
Or get us a third personal action (so we can do training + chosen of the sun + hunting for artifacts)?
 
[X] Accept the Offer (Permanent Piety Advisor secured, new Hero Unit. +1 Piety Action, Starting Wyld Hunt Suspicion at 5%)

We must woo this advisor as only a solar in hiding could.
 
I'm a bit suspicious of the "permanent" in that option. Does that mean Altren is going to be able to persuade him (but his cultural assumptions about gods will remain)?
 
Permanent as long as they're not killed/die of old age in like, six chapters, or so oppressed that hey leave/betray you anyway.
 
Alectai said:
Permanent as long as they're not killed/die of old age in like, six chapters, or so oppressed that hey leave/betray you anyway.
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And our sudden but inevitable revelation as a Solar won't lead to that? Nor will a refusal to hide the fact that we consider his approach to be terribly impersonal, even if we're willing to let him do his job his way without us breathing down his neck (most of the time)?
 
And now the supposed Saint King's piety advisor is from the Immaculate Order which beats Gods into compliance. I may now in fact be slightly more salty regarding our continued neglect of our second largest base stat.
 
TMIoverload said:
And now the supposed Saint King's piety advisor is from the Immaculate Order which beats Gods into compliance. I may now in fact be slightly more salty regarding our continued neglect of our second largest base stat.
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To be fair, they mostly do that to gods who have it coming.
 
Winged One said:
And our sudden but inevitable revelation as a Solar won't lead to that? Nor will a refusal to hide the fact that we consider his approach to be terribly impersonal, even if we're willing to let him do his job his way without us breathing down his neck (most of the time)?
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Solar Social can do some pretty good bullshit. It won't be easy, but it is possible.
 
Vanguard_D said:
They wont be beating up Haruna will they?
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Hopefully not in the short-run and in the long-run we'll have drive this Piety advisor out or have reformed him/her. The Nation God of Yilali is a very big fish to swallow. An intelligent Immaculate would probably try to take out smaller gods first like beat on the local small Field Gods and demand they work for a very small religious tithe. Only after they think they've tamed all the smaller gods would they approach Haruna. They'll probably note that as a powerful Goddess she is to be praised for her good works and the Immaculate Philosophy will happily ensure she recieves a sufficiently generous amount of religious festivals/state prayer sessions while implying that if she doesn't play ball with them, things are going to get uncomfortable. Beating up a country's national deity is bad news, even the Immaculates never dared to do this in Harborhead or in the case of Lap, they were willing to deal with Granias, Lady of the Lap lands and Reaper of Harvests despite knowing she really didn't like the Realm. It's one of those things where a colony revolt is probably inevitable and this is especially so in Yilali where there aren't legions stationed and the populace hasn't been fully converted to the faith.
TMIoverload said:
And now the supposed Saint King's piety adviser is from the Immaculate Order which beats Gods into compliance. I may now in fact be slightly more salty regarding our continued neglect of our second largest base stat.
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It's not too bad, we just have to sic him/her on the Gods who we genuinely don't like. Maybe talk about how the constant Raksha invasions have left us with problems with the weaker disease gods/murder gods. Have said Immaculate adviser sit in the hospitals and blast the local disease gods into compliance. There's probably a few weaker nature Gods that resent the expansion of human settlements, send the local Immaculate to get them under control. Hopefully by the time she/he is done with all of those small gods starts planing to move up the scale, we'll already have been exposed and this will be a non-issue.
Alectai said:
You'll have a fair chance to flip them, but you Will need to employ effort to do so.
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Hmmm in that case we might want to work with him/her on things where there are common strands of agreement while slowly building up for our reveal. I know the Immaculate Philosophy in it's most idealized form believes the weak have a duty to serve and the strong have a duty to be virtuous and set a good moral examples to the weak. Maybe discuss with him/her how to build state granaries to prevent famine while asking him to show us how to tame pest/disease gods who would try to poison the grain. We can slowly build from these common philosophical strands.
 
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Alectai said:
You'll have a fair chance to flip them, but you Will need to employ effort to do so.
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Alright. I think this advisor will be worth some effort - two Piety actions, and those actions are likely to be used to enrich the commonality of the kingdom (which we'll be damn sure to take our share from).

[X] Accept the Offer (Permanent Piety Advisor secured, new Hero Unit. +1 Piety Action, Starting Wyld Hunt Suspicion at 5%)

Lucienz said:
Hopefully not in the short-run and in the long-run we'll have drive this Piety advisor out or have reformed him/her. The Nation God of Yilali is a very big fish to swallow. An intelligent Immaculate would probably try to take out smaller gods first like beat on the local small Field Gods and demand they work for a very small religious tithe. Only after they think they've tamed all the smaller gods would they approach Haruna. They'll probably note that as a powerful Goddess she is to be praised for her good works and the Immaculate Philosophy will happily ensure she recieves a sufficiently generous amount of religious festivals/state prayer sessions while implying that if she doesn't play ball with them, things are going to get uncomfortable. Beating up a country's national deity is bad news, even the Immaculates never dared to do this in Harborhead or in the case of Lap, they were willing to deal with Granias, Lady of the Lap lands and Reaper of Harvests despite knowing she really didn't like the Realm. It's one of those things where a colony revolt is probably inevitable and this is especially so in Yilali where there aren't legions stationed and the populace hasn't been fully converted to the faith.

It's not too bad, we just have to sic him/her on the Gods who we genuinely don't like. Maybe talk about how the constant Raksha invasions have left us with problems with the weaker disease gods/murder gods. Have said Immaculate adviser sit in the hospitals and blast the local disease gods into compliance. There's probably a few weaker nature Gods that resent the expansion in human settlements, send the local Immaculate to get them under control. Hopefully by the time she/he is done with all of those small gods starts planing to move up the scale, we'll already have been exposed and this will be a non-issue.

Hmmm in that case we might want to work with him/her on things where there are common strands of agreement while slowly building up for our reveal. I know the Immaculate Philosophy in it's most idealized form believes the weak have a duty to serve and the strong have a duty to be virtuous and set good moral examples to the weak. Maybe discuss with him/her how to build state granaries to prevent famine while asking him to show us how to tame pest/disease gods who would try to poison the grain. We can slowly build from these common philosophical strands.
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I don't think we've been having problems with predatory gods... perhaps the traditional working relationship is enough to satisfy any who would try, or maybe Altren dealt with them offscreen.

Theunderbolt said:
As I have said we must woo this advisor no matter the cost!
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There are potential costs which are too high, but costs that an individual would find ruinous are acceptable in this, yes.
 
[X] Accept the Offer (Permanent Piety Advisor secured, new Hero Unit. +1 Piety Action, Starting Wyld Hunt Suspicion at 5%)

Woof! Unexpected that is. Still, I think we can manage things around them, and getting that extra action could be pretty significant. Aside from the trappings (which is the important stuff where we're concerned), the day-to-day work isn't too much different. Keep gods from being corrupt and demanding tribute and all that.

In addition, in terms of lacking "personal god" actions, note a key item - gods. Negotiations with a local elemental court is, however, not against the idea (as long as it doesn't involve them bossing humans around or the like).

This'll be interesting, definitely.

One advantage is that we do very little that screams "Solar", really. We spend essence, sure - but we probably don't dip into the peripheral stuff often at all. There's a few charms that would give the game away, but those tend to be used for dramatic situations anyway.

In regards to concerns about Haruna - she's a relatively significant god, so she's not really going to be targeted without clear wrongdoing. If for no other reason then news of *that* kind of thing trickling up to the head of a Bureau could cause major sanction for one or more Sidereals (I'm skeptical that many Dragonbloods can step on a prosperous nation's gods) and a lot less cooperation with the Bureau of Fate in general.

Besides, a local river god doesn't have a lot of scope to what they can do if they're offended. A nation's god, on the other hand, has quite a bit more. And, given our 'origin story', it's liable to result in very poor cooperation from us ("you hurt and humiliate the successor of the one who sacrificed themselves for our nation? Get out!")
 
[X] Accept the Offer (Permanent Piety Advisor secured, new Hero Unit. +1 Piety Action, Starting Wyld Hunt Suspicion at 5%)
 
What a jeeeeeerk.

Given that one of the big advantages of the kingdom and one of the things tilting past votes is close relations to specific Gods, that is going to be...interesting.
 
Yeah, he really can't lose from this. You really have no reason to Refuse without raising suspicions, flipping the person he puts in place is going to eat up a lot of your time and energy if you want to do that, and if you don't, he's got an informant on your council who's watching for anything suspicious.

Sure, you can benefit from this, and getting another Exalt personally loyal to you is certainly worth the energy, but it'll take energy that you could have used in other areas, and won't be Decisive even if you do flip them.

Rising Flame is very good at this Wyld Hunt thing.
 
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Alectai said:
Yeah, he really can't lose from this. You really have no reason to Refuse without raising suspicions, flipping the person he puts in place is going to eat up a lot of your time and energy if you want to do that, and if you don't, he's got an informant on your council who's watching for anything suspicious.

Sure, you can benefit from this, but it'll take energy that you could have used in other areas. Rising Flame is very good at his job.
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It is a very nice Xanatos gambit, yes.
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, he really can't lose from this. You really have no reason to Refuse without raising suspicions, flipping the person he puts in place is going to eat up a lot of your time and energy if you want to do that, and if you don't, he's got an informant on your council who's watching for anything suspicious.

Sure, you can benefit from this, and getting another Exalt personally loyal to you is certainly worth the energy, but it'll take energy that you could have used in other areas, and won't be Decisive even if you do flip them.

Rising Flame is very good at this Wyld Hunt thing.
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Wyld Hunt Veteran Immaculate Masters. So annoying.
 
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