There Was An Idea: A Kevin Feige Quest

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There Was An Idea
A Kevin Feige Quest



Wake up you beautiful bastard.

You've come a long way...
1. Welcome to the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Charcolt

Comic Fan
There Was An Idea
A Kevin Feige Quest

Wake up you beautiful bastard.

You've come a long way over these last seven years. And sure there have been some hiccups along the way. Fantastic Four, the Last Stand, Spider-Man 3, Rise of the Silver Surfer… But all that's in the past now because now you're here. President of production for Marvel freaking Studios. You've had trouble not skipping to and from your car in the mornings, though to be fair it's been that way since you got to buy a hot dog from Stan Lee on the set of the very first X-Men movie. Fuck did you love that man.

And here was your chance to get it all right. To fix all the little and big mistakes you've seen made over the last seven years. To show the world what superheroes stand for and what they're capable of.

Of course it's also the last chance. Those hiccups you mentioned were meant to keep the company above water in a time when it was losing money hand-over-fist. Since its bankruptcy in 1996, Marvel's been hanging from a cliff by its fingertips, grasping at crap deal after crap deal and getting pennies. You're so deep in the red that Buddy Baker is asking you to meet his parents. Wrong universe. Sorry.

Marvel Studios is a gamble. A chance for the company to take creative (and financial) control of whatever properties it hasn't sold off. No Spider-Man. No X-Men. No Fantastic Four. Just those guys that nobody's ever heard of. $525 million dollars Merrill Lynch is going to want paid back ASAP.

If it isn't they're taking the Avengers. The properties are the only collateral Marvel had that's worth a damn. Captain America, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Shang-Chi, Cloak & Dagger, the Power Pack… if you fail they're all gone and the Marvel Cinematic Universe dies. No pressure right? Don't worry there's more. The rights to Iron Man have just reverted back from New Line Cinema. You've got the rights but he isn't included in the financing deal. The money from Merrill can't be used on it. Marvel's funding this one out of their practically empty pocket. It's not simply the characters who could be lost here. If you mess this one up a lot of people are losing their jobs and Marvel Comics might not survive a second bankruptcy. Please please don't mess this up.

You've got Jon Favreau on Iron Man and Louis Leterrier on The Incredible Hulk (which is very much not a sequel to Ang Lee's horror show from four years ago), both shooting for 2008 release dates. You're actually pretty hyped to be sitting in on casting discussions soon. But before that there's some script-writing to do and, as the comic superfan that you are, you have a few ideas on the direction these stories ought to go. A hero is only as good as his villain is bad, after all! You'll have your chance to suggest other tweaks throughout the process, but choosing the story's conflict and antagonist now will let you define what kind of story you're planning on telling.

Who should be the villain in Marvel's Iron Man?

There are four villains you've been seriously considering for this first foray into the ferrous fighter that is Tony Stark. The first is Obadiah Stane. Iron Monger. A dark mirror to both Tony and Iron Man, Stane could help highlight Tony's journey from amoral arms dealer to hero as well as tie into his background as Howard Stark's son. Anton Vanko's vengeance-obsessed Crimson Dynamo is another option that has potential, though his origin would need some readjustment to fit easily into an origin story. Neither man is Iron Man's greatest nemesis, but a magical villain like the Mandarin isn't easy to work into a tech-heavy origin story even if you find a way to avoid offending anybody with the character. The last of the four you've tossed around is Madame Masque. You're not quite sure how she'd fit into an origin story but Iron Man's femme-fatale sometimes enemy sometimes lover is an interesting character and a female villain is something relatively unexplored.

[] Obadiah Stane as Iron Monger!
[] Anton Vanko as Crimson Dynamo!
[] Zhang Tong as the Mandarin!
[] Whitney Frost as Madame Masque!
[] Well, how about... (write-in)

Who should be the villain in Marvel (and Universal's) The Incredible Hulk?

Hulk's enemies are a strange bunch. Most of them are as monstrous as he is, which could be great for merchandising but devastating to the CGI budget. The two best known are the Leader and Abomination. Samuel Sterns is a fun opposite of Banner. An unremarkable janitor whose exposure to gamma radiation makes him smarter instead of stronger, he'd allow for a weird brains-turned-brawn versus brawn-turned-brains showdown. Abomination is a gamma mutant even bigger and stronger than the Hulk, unable to turn back into a human and determined to prove himself the strongest. There are a few... less conventional ideas you're tossing around. The Wendigo is another monster villain, but he'd allow a scarier take on the character. An isolated Bruce Banner on the run who stumbles into a town with its own monster. Then there's the Ringmaster. An evil circus is pretty out there, but maybe it could be funny? Ah, maybe the idea's a wash.

[] Samuel Sterns as the Leader!
[] Emil Blonsky as Abomination!
[] Paul Cartier as the Wendigo!
[] Maynard Tiboldt as the Ringmaster!
[] Well, how about... (write-in)
 
Rules and Mechanics
Welcome to this Marvel Cinematic Universe Quest!

We'll begin with the movie which started it all (and that other one with Edward Norton we try not to talk about) and continue onward into the future. You as players will vote on what stories to tackle, which directors to attach to a project, and which actors are perfect for the job. Along the way there'll be feuds with Ike Perlmutter, potential clashes over rights to characters, and opportunities for the discussion in-thread to shape voting options and movie ideas. Below are the basic mechanics for movie development, borrowed from a very good friend of mine. You can always write-in a (reasonable) vote, even if I don't always remember to include the option to do so. Subject to veto though.

The start of a project varies, but generally will begin with the development of a script, be it as an adaptation of a particular comic book story or simply a character in general. This phase can also begin with a specific Director and/or Writer approaching with their idea for an adaptation to attempt.

This process typically takes between 3 to 18 months, depending on how often the basic concept has to be retouched. Given that this is a roll-based game, I'll roll a 1d100 (+ or - any modifiers for how difficult a certain concept or adaptation might be to get right) to determine script quality. If the thread feels the resulting roll isn't acceptable, we can reroll up to 5 times (each adding ~3 months) until getting something workable. After 5 failures, the project will be put to the side for a while we work on other projects and can be sold off or mothballed permanently.
Financing is the way you acquire the funds to produce movies. Every studio in the world has financing partners who provide a certain amount of money in exchange for a return. Studios whose movies keep flopping are less likely to get good deals or even deals at all, resulting in them being forced to raise the needed funds in other means (such as selling off the rights to characters) to stay afloat.

The infamously frugal Ike Perlmutter will be the biggest roadblock here, though as your value rises you can push for more and attempt to get out from under his thumb. If Disney ends up making an offer you probably won't need to worry about money again, but they'll also get to buy Star Wars so that's an awfully tricky situation. Let's just focus on making good stories, eh?
This is the phase where you narrow down the options of the production, setting the vision of the projects and completing all the planning that takes place before the camera rolls. During this phase you'll work out shoot locations and casting. The Producer will hire a Line Manager or Production Manager to create the schedule and budget for the film.

This process typically takes between 1 to 12 months, depending on how long the locations and set up take. Given that this is a rolls-based game, I'll roll a 1d100 (+ or - any modifiers) to determine how much everything will cost and another 1d100 (+ or - and modifiers) to determine if things run on the schedule you've set. The budget you portion out to a movie doesn't give any inherent negative or positive modifier, but does shift the DC for other rolls depending on the type of movie you're making.
This phase is the actual shooting of the movie! It's key to keep planning ahead of the daily shoot. Stick to budget, stick to schedule, and make sure there's communication between location, set, office, and all other parties involved.

This process typically takes between 1 to 4 months, depending on how long the locations and set up take. Some directors shoot far quicker (a minimum of 4 days is the record, I think) or far long (8 months and counting, Scorsese!), but it'll be rare to approach either of those extremes. Given that this is a rolls-based game, I'll roll a 1d100 (+ or - any modifiers) to determine the length of the production (based on the timeline of your choosing) and then a second 1d100 (+ or - any modifiers) to determine the overall quality of the production, which will give + or - modifiers to the final numbers at the box office. Picking good actors and a good script sets you up to succeed here!
This stage starts when principal photography ends, but they may overlap somewhat. The bulk of post-production consists of reviewing the footage and assembling the movie (editing). There'll be contributions as needed from Visual Effects (VFX), Music and Sound Design. The picture will now be locked and delivery elements will be created. If there are any scenes of the film that need to be re-shot, I'll roll a 1d50 (+ or - any modifiers like budgeting, release dates, etc…) which will be added to the roll in question (such as an actors' personal scenes, two actors' chemistry, or the overall piece).
Once the film is completed, it must be distributed. This is how production companies make their money back, and a considerable amount of time and energy will be invested to secure the right distribution deals for your projects. The film will go into the cinema and/or be distributed via the various online platforms which will emerge such as Amazon Prime, Netflix, HBO, etc.

You as players will negotiate with the various platforms regarding distribution (first run in the cinemas, second run on DVD, VHS, Blu-ray, online, third run on television) regarding your returns and their own. With cinemas they'll usually want a percentage of the box office for the 1 to 4 months it'll be showing. DVD sales are split between the studio and the distributors, while television gets you a small flat fee per use.
Keeping it simple, there'll be a roll for FAN BUZZ (which is a 1d100 + or - any modifiers) to determine overall fan creation to the movie, a CRITICS BUZZ (which is a 1d50 + or - any modifiers) to determine critical response to the movie, a BOX OFFICE roll (which will vary depending on the genre and time-slot of the film and be modified by star power, overall quality, buzz, and other factors and is split into DOMESTIC and INTERNATIONAL), and a MERCHANDISING REVENUE roll which is influenced by how toy-friendly the film may be.

Higher rolls in pre-production, production, advertising, and acting leading up to the release will help provide positive modifiers to FAN BUZZ, CRITICS BUZZ, BOX OFFICE, and MERCHANDISING REVENUE. Which are in all caps because money is important.

The DC for a successful film varies based on genre, expenditure, release date, and other factors, the below can be considered a baseline to determine success:

–Meeting a DC of 30 means the movie did not make back its money by as much as half or more.
–Meeting a DC of 50 means that the movie made back its money with minimal loss or profit.
–Meeting a DC of 80 means that the movie has made back its money and is financially a success.
–Meeting a DC of 110 means the movie has probably broken some sort of box office record.

As an additional note, player-made content (omakes, concept art, high quality discussion) can both actively shape this world (offering new voting options and story ideas) and provide modifiers to the dice rolls. I reserve the right to grade based on quality and effort, but any omake about shenanigans happening on set might give a +5 to the production roll or the roll for chemistry between (as a very random example) Joaquin Phoenix's Hulk and Bryce Dallas Howard's Jarella. A player can also save these granted bonuses for a time when they think it's needed or want to boost a specific story.

Be sure to vote properly! A sub-vote without a parent vote will not be counted toward the final tally. Copy and pasting is a good way to avoid typos which can remove you from the winning option.
 
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2. Script Development (Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk)

This is art. You know that there were some serious doubts at Marvel and elsewhere about the ability to adapt Iron Man for the same reason the character sounded so absurd when Stan invented him forty plus years ago. A billionaire arms manufacturer is pretty inherently unlikable. Iron Man has never taken off with the larger fanbase; a decent amount of people still think he's a robot, and the Civil War Arc made the rest of them think he's an authoritarian.

This though, this is going to make Iron Man a household name. It's funny, it's cool, and it's smart without being hard to understand. Favreau hired two screenwriting duos each to put together a version of the script: Art Marcum and Matt Holloway, and then Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby (the pair behind Children of Men). He's taken the best parts of both and let Charlie's Angels' John August polish it so bright you could see your reflection. Along the way a few dozen comic book writers have been in and out the door to offer their suggestions and you've crashed on more couches than when your job was to walk cars and wash dogs. But now here you are with a fucking great Iron Man movie.

Well a great script anyway. It's solid. The characters feel memorable and human. Even Obadiah Stane makes sense. You've always hated when a villain was evil for the sake of dickery. Stane being a company man and patriot who represents what Tony could have been if not for Afghanistan makes sense. He shows Tony's growth. Plus you've got the setup for the Mandarin if you decide to tackle him in a sequel. This could genuinely be the start of something.


Writing a good Hulk movie isn't easy. If it was the last attempt wouldn't have spent the better part of a decade playing musical scriptwriters only to at last arrive at a giant evil poodle. You decided to take a somewhat more active responsibility in shaping this one. You're more of a vision guy than a writer, but with how hard this thing has been to get right in the past maybe it's a project which needed a bit of vision and direction from the One-Above-All (you).

The premise is pretty straightforward. Bruce Banner is a man on the run who winds up hiding in a small town up north which winds up having a monster of its own. People are disappearing and Bruce becomes involved in the unfortunate plight of Marie Cartier and her missing husband Paul (the Wendigo) as well as townies Rick Jones and Samuel Sterns. You spent a while sorting out Wendigo as the monster before deciding he wouldn't be the antagonist. Instead he's a victim, one of the monstrous creations of Dr. Geoffrey Crawford, a (possibly rogue) government scientist attempting to recreate and weaponize the experiment which created the Hulk. Testing on loners and losers.

The script is... weirdly fun. It doesn't weigh itself down with a lengthy origin story. There's the obvious moment where Bruce has to let the Hulk loose to save the day but there's also the balancing moment where Hulk has to do the same, choosing to let Banner out so he can cure the unstable Wendigo. Choosing not to smash the defeated gamma mutant but to be the "monster who stops the monsters" and stop Crawford. Plus the setup of Sterns for later!


Your people have been putting out feelers, keeping in mind that Marvel's hoping to find relative unknowns (or at least actors who won't overshadow the hero you're attempting to showcase). It's been a somewhat standard job regarding Iron Man, though Favreau seems very excited about Robert Downey Jr. in particular, but The Incredible Hulk has been getting some real and unexpected interest as the script is passed around. Apparently the prospect of doing an actually good Hulk movie is something a lot of disappointed actors have been hoping for for the last five years or so. You'll have quite a list to pick and choose from when you the official auditions start happening soon!
 
3. Pre-Production: Casting Call (Iron Man)
You've arrived at one of the most important parts of the movie making process: deciding who will star in the movie! Though it's not quite the stampede happening to play the better known Bruce Banner, you've been impressed seeing the people who are interested. Some actors bring in big audiences through name recognition alone while others have yet to build their reputations (though that can easily change over the years). Not everyone is going to be a good fit for a particular part, even if they are talented, but sometimes you'll stumble upon a choice so perfect that they elevate the entire film. We're looking for presence on screen as well as chemistry with the rest of the cast!

Casting Tony Stark: Tony Stark is a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist who, after a traumatizing experience, transforms from an amoral arms dealer into the heroic Iron Man. Favreau is looking for someone who is capable of playing a likable, funny asshole as well as showing an authentic emotional journey.

[] Robert Downey Jr. – Known as Bob to his friends, Downey is Favreau's first choice for the part. He's a bit of a controversial pick given his past of substance abuse, but that's part of why Favreau thinks he could really get Tony and his journey. He's certainly a talented actor and Iron Man could help him to rebuild his reputation if it goes well, plus he could help make the script funnier!
[] Timothy Olyphant – Having come to the attention of wider audiences for his role in HBO's Deadwood, Olyphant has begun starring in serious projects these last few years and is undeniably a strong performer even if he's not always been given roles that showcase it. His history of playing villains might actually help to play Tony Stark as a likable yet flawed character with certain nuances.
[] Sam Rockwell – Rockwell somewhat qualifies as a lesser known, though he's been starring in reasonably popular movies for a decade now. He seems excited about the prospect of being in a comic book movie, having expressed willingness to take the part before reading the script. Rockwell has something of an oddball reputation in terms of how he plays characters, but Tony Stark is an oddball.
[] Justin Theroux – Known as much for his directing and writing as his acting, Theroux could theoretically use those talents to spice up the script (while hopefully not stepping on any toes in the process). He's expressed a certain interest in the character of Iron Man and bears a passing resemblance to the character if you give him the right facial hair (more than Rockwell does anyway).
[] Clive Owen – The last name Favreau has been throwing around is an award winning actor who most recently is known for his part in Children of Men. Owen was a fan favorite to take over the Bond franchise before the part went to Daniel Craig, which means there's definitely interest in him by audiences and he doesn't have a preexisting commitment to a giant franchise. Is he funny though?
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Pepper Potts: Pepper Potts is Stark's Girl Friday. A personal assistant and budding love interest, she is described as smart, levelheaded, and grounded. "Fun in an innocent yet sexy way." As Pepper is prominently redheaded we're looking for actresses with either natural red hair or who could pull off dyed red hair.

[] Gwyneth Paltrow – Paltrow hasn't had the best career the last few years and is somewhat reluctant to appear in a big-budget project, but she's done well for herself in the past in both dramatic and comedic roles. She isn't a natural redhead but that's pretty easily fixed. Marvel and Iron Man could be a way for her to revitalize her unsteady career and to give us a talented actress willing to play ball.
[] Rachel McAdams – Gwyneth Paltrow isn't Favreau's first choice though. McAdams is fresh off of a two year break from acting and ready to reclaim her status as Hollywood 'it-girl.' She's another natural blonde for what that's worth (actual redheads are so much rarer than they are in comics) but has a solid reputation and would likely be able to charm the audience no matter who we cast as Tony Stark.
[] Amy Adams – It's hard to remember that Adams isn't a natural redhead, but she's apparently just been dyeing it for the last half decade. It's definitely helping her career because your people have their eyes on her now. Talented in both comedic and dramatic roles, she's recently charmed audiences in Disney's Enchanted. She might be a costly option but she'd doubtless bring something to your movie.
[] Jessica Chastain – Hey, an actual redhead! Chastain is best known for her theatrical and television performances, but has expressed a recent interest in breaking through to the big screen. Iron Man as a big budget high-profile flick looking for someone who looks just like her could be a perfect vehicle to help her get there. Focusing on skilled people who aren't superstars yet has been an interest of yours.
[] Isla Fisher – Another iconic redhead who had her breakthrough two years ago with Wedding Crashers, Fisher has been best received so far in her romantic comedic roles (which Iron Man sort of fits but also not at all) but has expressed some interest in breaking out of that genre. Sacha Baron Cohen is also her fiancé if we want to find a cameo for him (or Borat) as one of Tony's kidnappers!
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting James Rhodes: "Rhodey" Rhodes is a friend of Stark's, and the liaison between Stark Industries and the Air Force's department of acquisitions. The actor should be able to portray the clash between his strict military life and Tony's independence, as well as potentially play the hero War Machine in a sequel film.

[] Terrence Howard – One of Favreau's first choices is Howard, who he believes would be willing and able to play War Machine in a theoretical sequel. He's described himself as a fan of Iron Man and War Machine, owing to the latter being one of the few black superheroes when he was a child. Favreau has the notion that Howard could play both a disciplinarian soldier and (more comedically) Tony's friend.
[] Don Cheadle – Cheadle has had a busy year so far, having just co-starred in Ocean's Thirteen, but he's available now and is the team's second choice for the part. He's been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor so everyone knows he's good at what he does, but he's also funny and likable in his own right, making him potentially a really solid choice to portray the future superhero in this film.
[] Mahershala Ali – A somewhat untested film actor, Ali has mostly starred in television thus far though you've heard he's being considered by The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. From what you can see though he's damn talented and not unwilling to get involved in a comic book movie. His television roots could actually be a good thing. Marvel gets a fresh face and he doesn't expect as much.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Obadiah Stane: Obadiah Stane is Stark's business partner, mentor, and friend who becomes the film's antagonist after Tony returns from captivity. While looking for an older actor here, Favreau is searching here for qualities similar to what he's looking for in Stark, seeing as Obadiah represents the old version of him.

[] Jeff Bridges – A great actor whose apparently been wanting to shave his head for some time, Bridges read the comics as a boy and has expressed approval of Favreau's more modern, realistic approach to the story. The Dude from The Big Lebowski has some serious comedic chops as well as being a highly talented actor in his own right, which could make him a good first villain in our cinematic universe.
[] J.K. Simmons – Simmons is another talented actor who could pull off the bald look and has shown himself equally adept at comedy and intensity. He's also been willing to do superhero films in the past, having portrayed J. Jonah Jameson in Raimi's Spider-Man movies. That might be a downside though, as we don't want to risk confusing less attentive audience members until we've established ourselves.
[] Ed Harris – The third big choice under consideration is someone who can certainly pull of a sinister villain and he looks like the comic version of Stane. He's not quite as comedically rooted as the other guys under consideration but he's a damn good actor who has done great in various roles throughout the years. If we want a threatening and intense villain it'd be hard to find someone better for the job.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).
 
Comprehensive Pitch: avatar11792
She-Hulk:
- I am only concerned about the role bc she'd have to have her own gimmick, not just being a female version of the Hulk. Picking the right actress and having a good script would be very crucial, it will fail otherwise.
- I am partial to having it be Betty Ross who becomes She-Hulk, not some unknown figure in Bruce's life. By having it be Betty we can build off of her bits in the Hulk movies, and thus make it easier to establish her own identity easier.

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Well, a couple of folks liked my asking about posting my MCU ideas here, so I'll just dump it in spoilers below. NOTE: It is a large piece, I was working on ALL the MCU movies up until Infinity War, and a bit beyond.

ORIGINAL MCU SETUP (WORK IN PROGRESS)

Phase One
1.1 Iron Man (2008)
1.2 The Incredible Hulk (2008)
1.3 Iron Man 2 (2010)
1.4 Thor (2011)
1.5 Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
1.6 Marvel's The Avengers (2012)

Phase Two
2.1 Iron Man 3 (2013)
2.2 Thor: The Dark World (2013)
2.3 Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
2.4 Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
2.5 Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
2.6 Ant-Man (2015)

Phase Three
3.1 Captain America: Civil War (2016)
3.2 Doctor Strange (2016)
3.3 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
3.4 Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
3.5 Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
3.6 Black Panther (2018)
3.7 Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

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General Changes (Applicable To All MCU Movies):

- A dedication to a mix of IRL functional suits and props, robotics, and CGI as was used in Iron Man 1. MCU films became increasingly dominated by CGI as time progressed, and IM especially lost much of his realism and polish. All the superheroes would benefit to greater or lesser degrees, though.
- As has been said over and over again, the MCU's weakness is always been the villains (with the exception of Loki, Zemo, Ego, Vulture, Killmonger, and Thanos). Improve them. Either give them more compelling reasons for their villainy, or make them more menacing to the heroes. This is mainly pointed at Vanko, Killian, Malekith, Ronan, Ultron, Yellowjacket, and Kaecilius.
- Black Widow and Hawkeye have to get their own spy-duo movie, preferably in Phase Two.
- General Ross is court martialed and never comes close to the Secretary of Defense position. A new character of some sort is introduced.
- No foldaway helmets aside from Starlord (where it makes sense).
- After phase 1, no more mirror fights unless it is a team up against the hero.

Phase 1 (Modified):

1.1 Iron Man (mid-2008)
- Don Cheadle is here from the beginning (great acting, amazing chemistry with Tony/RDJ).
- Apply all of this (). Basically, Stane was never working with the terrorists, and is a warmer, more human character, meant to be an understandable villain that one can vaguely empathize with. He is an anti-Stark, a version of Stark that never went through the trauma that woke Stark to the wider horrors of the world. When Tony fights Stane, he is fighting the pre-trauma Stark, fighting himself in many ways.
- Stane's suit (explained away as a pre-IM version of powered combat armor) is overloaded by the end, but Stane does NOT die (thus not establishing an MCU trend where villains usually die or are never seen again). Stane is instead arrested, tried, and sent to a supermax prison.
- Tony decides to stop making weapons at the end of IM1, not in the beginning of it. The argument between Stane and Stark has finally reached a conclusion, in the sense that Stark makes it quite clear that it is not an abrupt shutdown (as in OTL), and that it will be done in gradual stages to reeducate and provide new jobs for his existing workers; he DID listen to Stane's concerns about the lives of the workers under their employ.
- The first post-credits scene is a shadowy tent with the remains of Stark's original IM Mark 1 suit in a mangled burnt pile, and a figure slowly crawling out of a bed. It's the leader of the 10 Rings, and while scarred horribly, he smiles. Cut scene. The second post-credits scene is the same Nick Fury scene from OTL.

1.3 Iron Man 2 (mid-2009)
- I would have Iron Man 2 come out the year after IM1, guaranteeing people remember the first movies and its story/themes better. This will help IM2, bc its in many ways a continuation and conclusion to themes from IM1.
- Save Vanko for another movie, use Hammer, 10 Rings instead. Use Justin Hammer as a somewhat kind of dumb enemy, while the real villain is Tony's success, and the dawning realization that he cannot fix all of the world's problems by himself, needing the aid of others to do so (thus setting up groundwork for a need for the Avengers program in Tony's mind).
- The rest of the movie, with noticeably less scenes devoted to a Bad Guy, can now develop Rhodey's and Tony's friendship better and more thoroughly, flesh out Tony's father plot/creating Badassium further, Tony's rocky relationship with pepper, and Natasha/SHIELD's plot. Oh yeah, and those 10 Rings guys.
- The actual plot:
  • Stark is busy turning Stark Industries around at a record-breaking pace, concerning both Potts and Rhodey bc it is obvious Tony is rapidly going to burn himself out at this rate. Yet Tony is caught up more and more in his success: Stark Industries is selling less and less weapons, lots of money is funneling into retraining/educating Stark employees, and despite government friction (that scene is the same), Stark's involvement as Iron Man in certain precision strikes and small military operations seems to result in victory for US forces while still reducing the number of deaths for both sides.
  • The government scene happens, and Stark's claim that nobody is anywhere close to IM tech happens. The scene doesn't go as one-sided as it did originally, the government insisting (with Rhodey backing this, which strains their friendship massively) that if Stark is to remain in sole control of IM technology, insisting on being a "spare arm" for US military needs, he has to undergo a form of minimal military training, and psych evaluations/sessions. Stark has to take this, or they'll be knocking down his house tomorrow to pull the suit from his house's crumbling ruins.
  • Hammer, meanwhile, has sent agents out to pull specialists who could develop poor imitations of parts of IM tech, hoping to cobble something together that he could feasibly sell. He finds reports of "metal monsters" in the Middle East (Gulmyra from the first movie, spreading from there), and sends out men of his to establish contact with them…
  • …meaning the leader of the 10 Rings, who is not nearly as stupid as IM1/Stane claimed, and has learned enough about the IM1 suit to make his own cruder versions. Hammer approaches him with an under-the-table deal, offering his resources and funding to develop the suits more, and providing the 10 Rings leader with more of the result. Much of this is ripped from the Vanko staged prison break/"capture" scene, just repurposed to suit the 10 Rings guy (captured from his cave, etc). Same result, they partner up against Stark whom they both have radically different reasons to hate.
  • Stark's trainer arrives, and it's the guy from SHIELD that in WS will go on to play Crossbones. He's a military fitness/training instructor, but is a SHIELD agent in disguise, sent to evaluate Stark. Stark is put under punishing and brutal military training. This training, combined with the increasing strain of controlling his own company AND being in charge of IM missions, forces Tony to appoint Pepper Potts as the future head of Stark Industries…after corporate training of course, he's not THAT stupid. She does become his protégé though, with him struggling to train her to be a better corporate boss than he ever was.
  • Notice there's no mention of Stark dying yet, bc it really doesn't come up in this movie. Its replaced with Black Widow being waved in front of Tony like bait like in OTL, and thus becoming his new "assistant". Stark starts drinking to cope with the stress of more and more responsibilities, and playing around/tinkering with IM tech, which results in…
  • …blowing up his own house while having a small birthday dinner with his best friends (Potts, Rhodey, the new girl/BW, several members of the board, etc). This swaps out for the OTL's disastrous birthday party. The party has originally gone well, with a scene where Tony had invited BW into his workshop to "show her around", and in the middle of Tony showing off, hitting on BW (and BW letting him), Potts walks in on both of them, making things very awkward quickly. They all go upstairs to try and pretend nothing was happening, and Tony in his distraction over that leaves something operating he thought he'd turned off. Midway during a happy but with an undercurrent of tension dinner there is a rumble, and the floor pitches upward, gas venting. The ceiling and walls begin to crack and crumble, large pieces falling on the panicking dinner guests. Stark and Rhodey both run downstairs, Stark getting there first and suited up, Rhodey following behind after picking rubble off Potts. Stark doesn't see Rhodey in his panic, blindly blasting upwards through the floor to help. Stark is frantically throwing debris away and getting people to safety, but many are badly injured, including Pepper. Stark starts to lose it as his house begins to explode from his basement up, but Rhodey arrives, and with BW's help the three barely get everybody out before the final fireball which incinerates everything, the house crumbling into a crater as it burns.
  • Rhodey tries to calm Tony down, but Tony is dealing with having had every piece of anything he's ever valued just go up in flames, and throws a punch at Rhodes in self-imposed rage and grief. Cue the fight from OTL, but its much more Tony hating himself, and quite a bit darker as a result. How does one stop a man who's falling apart while encased in virtually indestructible armor? Same scene ending with Rhodey taking the suit, but much more…meaningful, lots of relationships damaged or ruined.
  • There is a follow up scene with Tony going to the hospital to see "his people" as he calls them (some random board members, Potts, and BW). Potts is fading in and out of unconsciousness, while BW is there mainly for checkups. Cue Tony and incoherent Pepper scene, very sad, very emotional, but Tony can't get the forgiveness he craves from Pepper bc she goes unconscious again and he is escorted out of the room. BW walks up to him and really almost verbally assaults him, playing up the "potential love interest" act to a maximum, that he almost had her killed, how reckless and crazy was he, and how the hell can you think you can save the world by yourself if anything like this happens? She then verbally resigns being his assistant and stomps away, leaving him standing there kind of flattened and numb.
  • That night he's back at the ruins of his house, the demolition crews having left their equipment for the night. Stark is literally sleeping in a tent; he managed to rescue JARVIS' armored data core, and some little bits, but everything is beat up and damaged. That's when Nick Fury arrives, and the reveal "Stark's dad worked for SHIELD" occurs (meaning more, with Fury saying his dad managed to save the world a whole bunch of times without any fancy suit of armor). Fury leaves his dad's crate, and Stark, after in silence for over a minute in the wilderness, says he needs somebody to talk and rigs up a battery and spare parts to the data core to talk to JARVIS. JARVIS listens to him like nobody else seemingly will or can right now, and Tony can finally tell somebody about the things he's been hiding from himself all this time, how his responsibilities were literally crushing him. He felt like he was back in the cave again, establishing a connection with IM1 and showing Stark never properly recovered from the experience.
  • Cut to a cave, funny enough, with Hammer techs and Middle Eastern soldiers uncomfortably mixing to ship out the crap suits the 10 Rings has. Cue a small montage of them going in trucks, then fast jets, then into more trucks, then backing into Hammer Industries' R&D facilities. Montage suit development with Rings guys and Hammer guys talking, tech stuff, etc. Mark 2 Rings suit is developed, noticeably based off of Hammer's original suit model, but with IM1 suit improvements/features. The montage ends with a scene of Hammer and the 10 Rings leader having dinner, the leader noticeably uncomfortable with the Western settings and style. The conversation goes well but rapidly sours, making clear the differences between the two. The Rings guy stomps out to return to his homeland, and Hammer looks at a shadowy associate saying "better make sure the contingency plan is ready, just in case" (ie Hammer's drones, which don't require people at all).
  • Stark the next morning, after a fitful nervous breakfast, stares out over the ocean, breathes, then finally forces himself to look at the crate Fury left. He cracks it open and starts to go through its contents, the day progressing, his house's ruins being taken away as he looks over more and more of his past. Borrowing an intact blanket from the work crews Stark sets up a projection screen on a neighboring rock face, ordering the crews to leave early, and he is very emotional about the father stuff from OTL playing. There's noticeably more references to the house, Stark's mother, maybe even a few cryptic references to Stark's father's work with SHIELD (only obvious bc we/Tony know the truth now).
  • The scene with Tony and a chilly, still-bandaged Pepper in Stark's former office still happens. Replace Tony's house/basement with a Stark R&D facility, Tony "borrowing" it from the staff, and the whole Badassium discovery thing still happens. Tony's justification is wanting to be better than himself, and piecing together what his father discovered, and realizing the benefit this could have for the world. His Arc Reactors were a step in the right direction, but this new element…this could make those "revolutionize world energy" plans actually viable, making clear Arc Reactors from IM1 weren't capable of fulfilling that role in Tony's opinion. So, Tony is fulfilling his father's dream, and his father gives him a guiding nudge to have a purpose to his life from beyond the grave at the exact time Tony needed it. (OOC: Also, having a particle accelerator in a Stark R&D facility makes a LOT more sense then one being jury rigged in Tony's basement!)
  • The "Tony on top of a donut shop eating in IM armor" happens, but its Tony's only suit of armor now bc he accidentally blew up his own house. The reveal that BW was actually a SHIELD agent is a lot more personal bc of the implied seduction-in-progress and the verbal attack she gave Tony IC, so it's a stronger scene affecting Tony. Tony explains a glimpse of his plans for global energy improvement hoping to get SHIELD support, and Fury faintly approves of Stark's new goals…but what's going to happen with that whole "privatized world peace" thing if Stark does follow up on it? He clearly can't do both at the same time, recent events have made that abundantly clear.
  • Thus the ending happens, with a couple of "small" changes. Vanko doesn't hijack WM, the drones are indeed Hammer's drones and under his control…but then the 10 Rings show up in their Mark 2 suits launching a terrorist attack on the Stark Fair, with the aim of killing Tony Stark and revealing decadent Western hypocrisy (ie Hammer's plans to train and exploit the 10 Rings for his convenience, echoing Western…habits…with Middle Eastern countries like Afghanistan for decades now). The fight is a 3-way fight between Hammer's drones, IM and WM, and the 10- Rings. A stylistic change: People die, it is bloody and harmful, and good guys as well as bad guys are seriously injured. The 10 Rings guy is in Vanko's suit (Middle Eastern-ized, with ornate carvings, holy writing/phrases, and lots of suicide bombs). Stark and the 10 Rings leader fight, and its bloody, the conclusion to IM1 and Tony's torture at this monster's hands. The 10 Rings leader (need a name) reveals the bombs and tries to suicide rush Tony, but WM shoves Tony off the ledge and takes the blast himself. Tony rushes forward to WM; the superior armor of Tony's saved his life, but WM is in a coma (explaining why he's NOT in Avengers).
  • Hammer is still arrested for his involvement, but less comically inept; have him try to escape, and IM (royally pissed bc of WM's near-death and finding out Hammer did all of this) cuts Hammer's car in half with one of those laser cartridges of his, police get him shortly after that.
  • Pepper and Tony finally confessing their feelings to each other, later, in private, after having both left Rhodey's hospital room (maybe driving away?), makes more sense and feels stronger.
  • Post-credits scene: Tony going to his first day of official, government-sponsored/mandated therapy/counseling…and his psychiatrist is the guy from the IH movie, the guy who dated Betty Ross.

1.2 The Incredible Hulk (early 2010)
- Bring Mark Ruffalo from the start. Instead of the somewhat boring character arc along with the dull personality they give Bruce in IH, they could make an actual interesting story using that vibe of "shy" he had in The Avengers.
- Waiting 2 years longer to do IH allows the existing state of CGI to develop, and seeing as the IH is at its heart a CGI creation (can't do it otherwise) this is ABSOLUTELY vital.
- The soldier that would become the Abomination needed badly character development and backstory. Contrasting his life with Bruce's perhaps throughout the movie, a scene or two referencing (even in single lines) his childhood, etc. It is critical we feel for the bad guy as much as Bruce, we have to understand what drives him, and how tragic it is that he embraces becoming a monster while Bruce comes to peace and expels much of what made the Hulk initially monstrous. In this sense (having the Bad Guy mirror the good guy), it mirrors what was done in the IM movies a bit.
- Less of a CGI-heavy fight, have parts of it happen in a city that's NOT NYC at all, in less urban places (bc they're leaping around and going miles in one jump), and have elements of the US military involved in a larger scale, more active manner. Actually show Thunderbolt Ross being a General!

1.4 Thor (mid-late 2010)
- Jane and Darcy are fused into a single character, played by Darcy's actress (Nat Portman is a bit dull IMO). Jane's intelligence, Darcy's humor and overall quirky likeability (and hotness, frankly). Give her a different name, say Natalie (to make of Portman not being there) mainly); Jane is too dull, Darcy is a slightly too quirky name.
- Thor ends up meeting both Selvig and Natalie, who is presented as a brilliant student of Selvig's that needs better grades and is following him as part of some kind of test. Thor develops a friendship with both.
- No love interest in this movie, not even for Sif, who's only a friend of Thor.
- The final act, instead of Loki sending the Destroyer, he will instead arrange an invasion of frost giants to Midgard and a smaller elite force attacking Asgard, which the same time will leave their planet defenseless against the Bifrost. The Warrior's Three's, Sif's, and Thor's ass are kicked really hard, and Natalie tries to stand up to the giants alone picking up Sif's sword (foreshadowing later movies). (OOC: I imagine Frost Giants in a desert would be eerily beautiful…and wet after a minute)
- The movie ends with the same way the original did, a good tragic ending. Natalie, having gone with Thor to get the Warriors 3 and Sif medical attention, is stranded on Asgard with him.

1.5 Agents of SHIELD (aka Black Widow movie)
- Timeline Placement: The movie would take place in 07-08, right before IM1 happens basically. The end of the movie would have Stark's first interview playing on a TV or something tying it all together, then BW gets a phone call from Fury...
- Plot: I don't have any definite thoughts aside from having Hawkeye being a cameo in it (much more so than in Thor, for example); I leave the actual plot up to those with more comics knowledge of BW than I have. Though, I have to admit, I've always wondered what happened in Budapest (Avengers reference)...
- Another critical cameo opportunity I feel would be nice to pursue is Maria Hill showing up first here, instead of Avengers. She's one of my fav background characters, yet we never get to know much of anything about her. This movie is a chance to work some extra material in on her without stretching other movies too much.
- Also, I can't stand the modern "women can't be sexy" complaints bc of PC-ness. Allow Scarlett Johanssen to be as gorgeous in this movie as she feels her character would be in the movie's events, and to compensate have male eye candy too. Its not sexist if all genders are treated equally; let's show some skin, damn it all!
- Having a BW movie where you see exactly just how dangerous BW can truly be would solve a lot of trolls online complaining about her "uselessness" in Avengers, bc everybody else are literally superhumans or gods and she isn't.

1.6 Captain America: The First Avenger (early 2011)
- Needs more Nazi killing, not just some secret tech division.
- Have the German spy successfully bring a Serum vial to Schmidt who is still human, until Cap arrives and blows up his factory, forcing Schmidt to take the serum to escape but too late to prevent horrific burn scars that lead to his titular Red Skull appearance.
- Have the blonde secretary who tries to seduce Cap be a HYDRA agent, providing an explanation for the shadow war between HYDRA and the OSS. (OOC: Have the seduction go farther maybe…?)
- Have the montage sequence extended into a series of small actual scenes, providing a stronger second act for the movie.
- Change the bomber with an ICBM-esque rocket with Bucky 'dying' when it explodes, throwing Cap into the North Atlantic.

1.7 Marvel's The Avengers (mid-late 2011)
- More US military involvement (even if its distant CGI shots of US carriers and fighter jets streaking in) in the Battle of New York.
- In response to increased US military involvement, the Chitauri need to be appropriately upgunned to show how them breaching containment is actually possible; either more forces, or higher-quality weapons/gear.
- Instead of the nuke flying in to blow up Manhattan, have the World Council propose launching it into the wormhole to take it out from the other side (aka when happened in canon). Nuke is launched over Fury's objections, but the CHitauri deploy a new space whale creature that generate massive ECM disruptions, screwing with the nuke, which does not course correct instead flying straight into the city. Iron Man still makes the sacrifice call, only for different reasons, and the World Council doesn't seem quite so damn bloodthirsty anymore.
- Thanos is already portrayed by Brolin. Utilize Infinity War's look, but with the original Avengers version of Thanos' glowing blue eyes (nice, alien, and creepy).


Phase 2 (Modified):

2.1 Iron Man 3 (early 2012) (WORK IN PROGRESS, UNFINISHED)
- Not a Shane Black movie, no bizarre Christmas theme.
- All the OTL Mandarin things are scrapped, leaving more room for the rest of stuff happening (good plot, character moments/beats, etc).
- Stark is non-stop drinking throughout the entire movie, to demonstrate his growing reliance on alcohol to keep himself from self-destructing and panicking any more than he already has.
- Vanko's background: same from IM 2, still a good grounding. Opening scene is Vanko's father dying, and an Arc Reactor being made with old schematics, and schematics/data recordings from the battle of NY, captured from SHIELD (meaning Vanko has unknown contacts in SHIELD, and that's why he can build a small Arc Reactor at all, but who did it…?).
- Killian's new background: Still runs AIM, a new tech company dedicated to "future solutions" for tomorrow's problems. Approaches Stark for funding back in 2000, but NOT as a hyper-nerd, but certainly in a rather bumbling and amateurish way. Tony is portrayed in a much more semi-malevolent light, making fun of Killian's inept attempts to convince him his company is worth anything, and casually brushes him off bc Stane (who is there) says he'll handle it while Tony goes off to party. Stane then rips into Killian again, threatening him with lawsuits if he ever dares to come near Tony again. Stane has security escort him out, and they treat him quite roughly, Killian breaking his leg during the incident. He has much more motivation to step up his game and his aggressiveness (and a reason for extensive physical therapy bc of the leg), never forgiving Stark and Stane for how they treated his attempts to even speak with them.
- During the opening of the headquarters for Damage Control Inc in NYC, Tony's attempt to help with rebuilding the city from the alien attack, he experiences a panic attack during the closing ceremony, which is made much worse by Vanko attacking Stark With a proto-Mark 1 Iron Man suit, half-unarmored but still a marked effort. Stark is heavily wounded before he can un-panic and focus, but Happy manages to throw him the Suitcase Armor, and he holds Vanko at a standstill (basically the scene from IM2, just transferred to here and changed a bit). WM shows up and knocks Vanko out.
- Stark is called back to Congress for another hearing very soon after, where his claim that no nation could make his tech for less than a decade from IM2 has been proven false (Vanko's suit heavily resembling Stark's Mark 1 making this even worse). Stark faces immense difficulties dealing with this, and between this and PTSD dives back into drinking (which is a carryover from the previous movies, shown to be getting worse, and is clearly a strong homage to "Demon In A Bottle" arc).
- Meanwhile, Vanko escapes from a max security prison after a brief sensor blackout as if he just vanished (Killian threw a chameleon/invisibility cloak over him basically). Killian offers Vanko an alliance in which both will get their revenge on Stark due to their separate character backgrounds. Killian offer Vanko help in upgrading his suit and supplying equipment to fund a group of Russian-derived mercenaries (under Vanko's command), in exchange for the Arc Reactor tech he clearly knows how to build.
- Terrorist attacks occur throughout the US a week after the hearings, targeting Stark Industries. Factories explode, suicide bomber "terrorists" blow up personnel facilities causing extreme casualties without seemingly any explosives like in OTL It is noted by news, SHIELD, the President, et al that the bombings seem to indicate an unusually thorough knowledge of Stark Industries' most intimate secrets. Happy is killed by one of said bombings. After Happy's funeral, an enraged grieving Stark offers on live TV to fight whoever is doing this to his people in person, giving his address like in OTL. He then begins investigating the bombings, determining a similar set of issues like in OTL IM3, but this time in Colorado, not in Tennessee.
- The finale buildup is the attack on Stark's house like in OTL IM3. Tony Stark's home security system (some elements of the Iron Legion, only much smaller in scale, plus IM-designed drones) battle the incoming terrorists in helicopters in Iron Man 3. This gives IM time to summon his armor for the movie, but is still defeated as the terrorists manage to severely damage it bc the armor is badly-designed. House still falls into the ocean, but this time Pepper and lady make it out safely without the need for the armor. Jarvis makes an independent decision to get Stark out of there, flying him far away from the battlefield.
- Meanwhile Killian and Vanko unexpectedly bond over their mutual hatred of Stark. I want to develop the two villains, explaining WHY they both ended up here in their parts of life from their own mouths, this is that opportunity.
- Stark's armor blows out over Colorado, forcing the suit to crash land, and Tony wakes up only to find Jarvis is gone and his suit is fried. He does the Tennessee stuff in Colorado, following up on one of the bombings there while drinking to stave off dealing with his problems. Stark is forced into a situation where he is separated from his booze, leaving him to agonizingly detox over a few days (NEED SOMETHING HERE).
- Barely getting on his feet, he is forced to confront an angry mob of Stark employees and their families at the bombing site in town, who recognize and rapidly turn on him. Stark is assaulted during the growing mob by the Russian mercs in improved armor as an attempted low-key assassination, but Vanko isn't in command, still working on his suit of armor. Stark has to take the soldiers out in the middle of a panicking riot, with lots of screaming civilians.
- He looks over the merc bodies afterwards, grabbing one and throwing it in his hijacked pickup truck, driving away before law enforcement can show up. He dissects the armor, hijacking its computer parts to fix his own armor, getting Jarvis barely back online. He talks with Jarvis about why it took it on its own initiative to fly him out to Colorado, and Jarvis speculated something is changing in his source code, or was damaged. Stark speculates about Jarvis possibly becoming self-aware and sentient to a degree he didn't have before, thus planting the idea for the Iron Legion more directly in Tony's head (which he doesn't have already pre-built anymore).
- The suit's computers have info on their initial launch point, and Stark fixes his suit successfully, flying to the compound, where in mid-flight WM catches up to him, demanding Stark stop and explain what is occurring. Stark tells WM his theory on who this might be from, the bombings, the Russian mercs with inexplicable copies of functioning Arc Reactors, everything. Explaining he has to keep his tech from getting into the wrong hands, they both head out to a location in Kansas, where AIM's primary R&D headquarters is located. Stark places a call to SHIELD, requesting whatever reinforcements they might have to deal with potentially superpowered terrorists.
- Vanko, Russian mercs, et al are waiting for him inside the HQ, several with invisible suits courtesy of Killian/AIM. Cue huge battle in a massive R&D complex. The mercs are significant professionals, treated not like cannon fodder like in OTL IM3 but as a very dangerous threat. Killian has a small force of test subjects (read AIM cultists) imbued with EXTREMIS, who join the assault, burning through walls. One explodes trying to take out WM, and Stark realizes this is what killed Happy.
- Mid-battle, WM is heavily injured but still taking on 3 at a time, and Stark is getting brutal, when SHIELD reinforcements show up, led by Hawkeye. Grateful this time for Hawkeye showing up leading SHIELD troops, there's a full-blown battle, where he faces off against first Vanko, is separated, then fights Killian (doped up on EXTREMIS like OTL), then both at the same time. Vanko is taken out by Hawkeye, and Killian melts off Stark's hand before dying himself to Stark and WM turning their beams on him (creating that "cut in half" shockwave from OTL IM2).
- Stark wakes up in a hospital bed, Pepper sleeping by his side, and he wakes up. She rebukes him viciously, then collapses weeping in his arms. Stark awkwardly hugs her with his stump.
- The movie ends with Stark designing a robotic hand as a replacement for his lost one, and designs for the Iron Legion up and running as his house is being rebuilt, bigger and better than before, optimized for use by the Iron Man (which is himself via voiceover, like in OTL). Stark Industries is half destroyed, many assets lost or employees leaving for fear of their lives. Stark is determined to help Pepper rebuild; he picks up his flask, throwing it into the ocean as a symbol of fighting his darkest impulses.

2.2 Thor: The Dark World (mid-late 2012)
- Make sure that Loki doesn't eclipse Thor in the Dark World. The movie must be centered around the two brothers and their struggle to understand each other, both coming to terms with their own imbalances.
- Give Thor a real threat before Kurse.
- Make Malekith threatening in his own right.
- Natalie's character arc in this movie is basically her transitioning into a proto-Valkyrie. She's lost her "fish out of water" vibe, is learning more and more about the Asgardian world, and feels more and more restrained by feeling left out of what is obviously such a critical part of Asgardian culture, combat.
- And the actual plot:
  • The movie starts by having Natalie insist to Thor she is ready for training like Lady Sif was, and she has been working hard to become strong and prove worthy. Thor says Natalie doesn't have to do this, and she retorts by saying "do you have to go out and fight the Nine Realms every day?", obviously rhetorical. She follows up by saying she can't sit around and read Asgardian books all day, and knowing even some of what is out there in the cosmos she wants to be prepared. Odin and Thor discuss Natalie's desire to learn Asgardian combat, and Thor points out that Natalie would make a great ambassador between Midgard and Asgard, a concept which confuses Odin until Thor explains the concept to him. Asgard having never followed such traditions, Odin is reluctant to agree until Thor further points out the sheer balls Natalie had going against a quartet of Frost Giants by herself, with a weapon she had never trained in before. Odin finally breaks and agrees to Natalie being trained…
  • …transition to Sif's face when she's told she is to train Natalie. Sif doesn't like Natalie all too much, bc she feels mortal Midgardians are too squishy and incapable of true combat against Asgardians, and she is slightly jealous of how Thor is increasingly looking at her (the beginnings of a jealousy subplot). Reference to the extinct Valkyries is made here via Sif and her backstory-exposition, what inspired her to become the badass warrior she is.
  • Thor doesn't really feel so powerful in Thor 2. More feats of superhuman strength/abilities wouldn't hurt…
  • But it still isn't enough against Malekith and Kurse, even with the aid of the Warriors 3, Sif and Natalie. Malekith still invades, the invasion of Asgard by Dark Elves still happens, and while Natalie does make her first official kill (with Fandral's aid), Thor's mother Friga still dies, and that beautiful funeral still happens.
  • Loki isn't just freed for his knowledge of secret ways and a chance to avenge Friga, its also bc as a youth he secretly snuck offworld using said secret passages to an isolated world where the Enchantress dwelt, a sorceress of vast power who had clashed with Odin in the past. Loki being her former student, and them having parted on amicable terms, Thor figured Loki would be a good in to approach her without her trying to shoot them out of the sky.
  • They are allowed to approach the Enchantress' small but formidable kingdom, and Thor has to literally crawl on his hands and knees to the Enchantress, a powerful sorceress who Thor had banished from Asgard over 800 years ago. The Enchantress agrees to help them only on strict conditions, and her help is…Skurge the Executioner. He is properly introduced here, and is noticeably more like comics Skurge, with an impossible love for a powerful being way out of his league who emotionally exploits his attraction towards her for her own ends.
  • The Enchantress establishes her reasons for massively disliking Odin's reign on Asgard through both her exile and "what your High King did to my best friend" (ie Hela). The backstory is Hela did her thing ~1300 years ago, Odin imprisons her, but the Enchantress uses her magic wiles and manages to get on Odin's good side for a while. That last ~400 years, until Odin's new wife Friga revealed her magical manipulations, and the Enchantress was exiled from Asgard.
  • The rest of the movie largely is the same, but Sif sacrifices her life to save Natalie's, showing the mutual respect they both earned for the other. Natalie takes up Sif's sword in her memory. Oh yeah, and Natalie goes back to Earth as a self-styled Midgardian ambassador between Asgard and Midgard (probably to the UN, in a post-credits scene).

2.3 Captain America: The Winter Soldier (early 2013)
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2.4 Agents of SHIELD 2 (Black Widow-Hawkeye movie w/Winter Soldier cameo) (replaces swapped Ant Man) (mid-late 2013)
- Show the absolute insanity erupting in all walks of life right after the plot of Winter Soldier is revealed to the world. Whatever the plot actually is, it has to be anchored in this period of virtual international chaos.
- Actually, I have the perfect foil: The bad guys are the Thunderbolts (a team of Bad Guys in short): Abomination (broken out of cryo-prison), Crimson Dynamo (revealed later to be a crippled Ivan Vanko who can't survive without the suit anymore), Crossbones (evolution from WS into a true villain, he's the guy that recruits the team in the first place), and .
- The first bout goes…poorly, even with former SHIELD associates helping with SHIELD tech. Black Widow and Hawkeye have to call in Iron Man and the Hulk, who cameo in one small scene mid-movie and at the end for the big fight. (OOC: This is largely meant to fix why IM got back into the game when he said in IM3 he wouldn't to Pepper)
- Sample dialogue: (Pepper) "I know that look." (Tony) "Look, I said no and hung up, didn't I?" (Pepper) "I still know that look. *sigh* Where's your suit?" Tony: "What makes you think I have a suit, when I specifically said I'm retired?" Pepper: "You always have a suit, something. Where is it?" Tony: "Uh…" Pepper (sidles on over, mischievous and smiling, cooing): "You can trust me Tony, I know your secret identity…" Tony: "Uh, in the shed?" Pepper: Hah! Knew it."
- IM and Hulk help out in round two, partially helped bc the Thunderbolts aren't lasting, internal tensions rising. Many of the villains felt they owed HYDRA for busting them out of their prison/situation, but after that they would head out, and they already fought BW and Hawkeye, so why stay? Combined with a Solid Snake-style ambush, cue huge fight scene!
- Winter Soldier shows up, having been hunting down HYDRA members, leading to here.
- Hulk saves BW's life at one point, and BB remembers it afterwards. This is a subtle leadup to their potential romance which becomes a thing in AOU.

2.5 Avengers: Age of Ultron (early 2014)
- Make Ultron as creepy as in the trailers, and more inhuman. Go with some of the features from earlier designs, such as less human eyes and mouth.
- Ultron going for the nuke codes is a feint. He goes after several elements in the global system that would be vulnerable to a hyperintelligent AI: transportation grids (turning the lights in all cities green, etc), shutting off or overloading power plants (especially fragile old nuclear facilities), releasing all the dams at once to trigger floods that wipe out whole towns and cities, etc.
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- Ultron is a recurring villain.

2.6 Guardians of the Galaxy (mid-late 2014) (swapped w/Agents of SHIELD)
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Phase 3 (Modified):

3.1 Spider-Man: Homecoming (early 2015)
- This is going to sound weird, but I want to put S:H before Civil War. Peter is 16 (having been 9 at the time of IM2 being the kid in the IM mask), so its slightly less pervy about anybody thinking Peter is cute or attractive. Peter is a HS junior despite being 16 bc he's a year ahead of his class, which makes sense bc he is very intelligent.
- Also, in this version, bc Peter has no Stark-made suit, he has the classic spider sense from the prior SM movies. Also explains how Peter did what he did with such a shitty original suit.
- The main plot can stay largely the same, with Peter trying to contact Stark about joining the Avengers potentially bc of financial troubles May is having and not getting through, running into the roadblock that is Happy Hogun. Peter, discovering illegal high-tech weapons on the market beginning to get into the hands of criminals, and when tries to get Stark's attention, but Stark is distracted by working with the government on the Sokovia Accords (ie excuse for Stark not being around). Peter's continuous escalation of trying to get Stark's attention pisses off Hogan, who insists on anything like actual evidence before even believing him, bc Hogun thinks of Peter as a teenage gloryhound who might be delusional, so this puts Peter on track for finding out more info for Stark.
- Certainly a lot of stuff changes:
  • There is a mid-movie bit where Peter is upgrading his suit into something less shitty (say new equipment he scrounged from a few tech shops, or dumpsters).
  • The ferry incident is still intercepted by Stark, only now it's the first time they meet, and Peter finding out Stark knows anything about him is kind of shocking to him (merge Civil War knowing of Peter's identity scene and post-ferry rebukement scene). Finding your superhero idol doesn't think much of you (bc of the ferry thing being the first time they meet, and Stark knowing Peter can potentially do better) devastates Peter, setting up the end to the movie which is the same as before.
  • The Vulture gang stuff is exactly the same, though I don't have Vulture kill the first guy w/the Shocker outfit just to be EVIL. Keep the first guy, but Vulture deliberately injures him (pencil through the hand or something), so he's still an asshole whose morality is unraveling.
  • At the end, after Vulture is captured by the authorities, Stark meets Peter and essentially says thanks. However, he refuses him a position in the Avengers primarily bc of his age, saying if Peter graduates high school with honors then his chances are very good. He does leave a surprise for Peter, a guaranteed Stark scholarship which solves a large chunk of May's looming financial issues, a pair of beat-up shorts with a few hundred dollars in 20s (with a note saying Pete found them in a sewer drain) to further help May with some minimal funding one-time, plus the Spiderman-themed beacon which is used in Civil War to contact Stark in an emergency (and him to call in a favor in Civil War).

3.2 Doctor Strange (mid-late 2015)
- More hints as to what horrors are kept at bay by the Masters of the Mystic Arts and less CGI pentagram Kung Fu.
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3.3 Captain America: _________________ (early 2016)
- Plot:
  • The movie begins with Peggy Carter's funeral, with Sharon Carter's "river of truth" piece still happening, inspiring Cap as slowly the world seems to turn on him. Since Age of Ultron, resistance against superheroes has been building significantly, and Captain America is specifically targeted in a horrific smear campaign accusing him of virtually everything horrific (cue worst of modern Internet bashing/how everybody hates everybody else). Despite interviews Cap has on TV attempting to fix his reputation (which horrifically backfire bc of plants in the audience), and Stark even showing up in TV cameos supporting his friend and all the good hes done, Cap's rep is catastrophically damaged.
  • Cap is interviewed by a female military official named ______ Ross (Ross' daughter, whose just as much an asshole as he is; basically Maria Hill from the comics). Ross, having a personal edge against the Avengers bc of how her father's career was ruined post IH movie, assigns Cap with a horrific hostage rescue mission, Cap not knowing she's set him up to fail. The hostage mission is in a hostile nation, but due to Ross' setup Cap fails hard. The hostages have all been executed, and Cap meets a familiar figure dressed similar to him but all in black (similar to Cap's SHIELD outfit from WS). The figure reveals his bloody visage, and Cap sees…himself. Cap recognizes the SSS working, and though it's a different person its like looking into an evil mirror. The anti-Cap reveals how hes going to take up his shield and his name to complete the ruination of Captain America forever, using the holographic face-mimic thing from WS to take on Cap's own face. Cue horrific fight, an already weakened Captain America (via nerve gas that specifically is designed to weaken SSS-infused individuals ie Cap) is smashed into the ground, the villain picks up Cap's shield, then the building collapses and explodes into fire with him inside of it. Cap legit dies.
  • Waking up in a strange building, Cap is met by a series of dead Asgardians, as he's ended up in Helheim bc of his martial nature. One of them is Sif, having died in Thor: The Dark World, and she's among the leaders of Valhalla's dead warriors. Cap recognizes her from SHIELD files on Thor's various testimonies, and she inquires about Midgard and Thor. Cap mentions some vague stuff on Ultron, but pauses and adds that he really doesn't have the time to go into detail. Sif says time is fluid in this realm, not behaving in a linear fashion, so he can and he'll still have enough time.
  • They join a crazy Asgardian feast, and Sif and Cap share war stories, where Cap is interrupted by a still-young Peggy Carter running up to him and tackling him in a passionate embrace. Cap is deliriously happy and shocked, but realizes Peggy earned her warrior afterlife many times over. He finishes telling what occurred recently to him, trailing off as he looks at Peggy and realizes, despite every bone in his body telling him to, that he can't stay with Peggy in Valhalla. Turning from Peggy to Sif, he asks her to help him break out of Valhalla, and while Sif says nobody has ever done that she'll help him bc of the rightness of his cause. Steve and Peggy have a tender and quiet moment alone, and then Steve, Peggy, and Sif depart, the other Norse warriors wishing Cap the best in his attempt, nobody truly believing he can do it (bc many others have tried before).
  • According to legend it is theoretically possible if done before Cap's soul becomes accustomed to Helheim and loses its connection with his body (which nobody has ever moved fast enough to do before), so they hurry onwards into Helheim. The landscape is bleak and barren, the ruins of cities and jagged towers in perpetual decay, frozen in time. While travelling the Mordor-esque landscape, they encounter a shade flitting from rock to rock. Pinned down, its revealed to be Arnim Zola, who'd recognized Cap and was spying on them. He is an extremely old man, now spry with death, yet he is extremely open to speaking with them bc he describes Helheim as "extremely lonely". Its revealed his involvement in SHIELD being slowly subverted and corrupted into a proto-HYDRA several decades ago, with his recruitment into the US rocketry and nuclear programs from his knowledge of the Tesseract and high-energy physics. "What do you think your beloved country was doing while you slept the ages away, my precious Captain?" He makes a reference to how happy he was that his family was continuing strong "carrying on the family tradition", and when asked he shrugged, saying they'd already met her, and will meet her again.
  • They are ambushed by undead soldiers, and a fight commences, Arnim Zola cowering in terror from the "skeletal monsters". The ruler of Helheim is a brutal overlord (Hela, pre-Ragnarok), and Hela has sent her ever-roaming legions of the dead after them, and they forcibly conscript Zola to showing them the hidden entrance to Helheim. It quickly becomes a war of wits as the group must sneak and fight their way through patrols and an ever-tightening net of the undead. Eventually it is the three against small armies of the undead, growing in number as they approach the gate, and a great beast approaches out of the fog. The monstrous form shrinks into Hela's form, but before she can order their deaths the Valkyries attack (as seen in the Ragnarok film flashback).
  • The slaughter of the Valkyries gives Sif and Cap time to charge through the gate, but Peggy recognizes somebody needs to hold the dead back so the living world isn't breached, so she stays (cue tragic slow-mo romance, etc), her and a terrified Zola blocking the gate with their own bodies.
  • A flash of rainbow light envelops them, as Heimdall immediately saw them from his vantage point on Asgard and retrieved them before Hela could attempt a further breakout. Cap says he has to return, and Sif asks if he could use another shield-arm by his side. Cap agrees, and Heimdall offers them Asgardian armor and weapons (from a small armory behind a retractable wall) where they arm up, Cap and Sif in partial armor, Sif with a retractable spear-staff and sword, and Cap with a sword and shield. They leap into the Bifrost back to Midgard (OOC: Heimdall's assistance here is what gets him later fired by "Odin", ie Loki in disguise).
  • Teleporting back to the site of Cap's death, Cap and Sif fight a horde of anonymous black-ops personnel with no markings, and are joined by Falcon, who had been backtracking where Cap had gone, since Cap after his arrival hadn't been acting quite like normal, and Falcon had grown suspicious. Cap tells him what had occurred, and Falcon wonders if he was still buried in the rubble. Cue Cap walking eerily back to the building crater, and they find…a shred of Cap's uniform, blood, and nothing more in the rubble. Creepy.
  • Cut to Anti-Cap still looking like Cap, walking past the US Capitol into a nearby fancy building, where he meets Ross in a small private room. At first official, they lean in and kiss, revealing something between them. Ross smiles, saying the plan is proceeding apace, making a reference to their "idiotic patsy", and a time is given for three days later. They both turn to look at the White House.
  • The three are shown on a former SHIELD Quinjet streaking back to the US, and Cap remembers his death, and what the Anti-Cap had said, specifically a reference to Ross.

3.4 Captain Marvel (mid-late 2016)
- Since I haven't seen the movie yet, I can't comment on it, sadly.

3.5 Thor: Gladiator (early 2017)
- Tone the humor down in Thor: Ragnarok by ~1/4.
- The majority of the plot is Thor's enslavement and conversion into a gladfiator on the planet Sakaar, his fights in the arena (definitely more than one, maybe two, then the third is the Big Fight), meeting the Hulk and the third Big Fight. Fleshing out Sakaar, the Grandmaster, Loki's involvement, et al is critical here.
- The second half of the movie is the fleshing out Hela's character, the devolvement of Hela's rule of Asgard into tyranny and eventual madness, etc. Hela does NOT slaughter everybody she meets casually, and her power builds much slower, but its much more graphic when she does wield it. Actually defining her powerset would be nice, too.
- Anyways, the Asgardian resistance is formed by Heimdall like before, joined by Natalie Foster in fighting the doomed cause. The noose tightens...
- This movie is the first MCU movie to end on a cliffhangar...leading into Thor: Ragnarok.

3.6 Avengers: Civil War (mid-late 2017)
- Civil War becomes an Avengers story, bc it really is one. Its too much for a Cap-themed movie, and has everybody anyways.
- Given the multiple alien invasions in The Avengers, Thor The Dark World, etc, the UN has been reorganized to better defend the world from massive alien invasion and existential threats. There are small scenes/bits inserted to show more enthusiastic international support for the UN as a flag to rally Earth behind, not just the superheroes bc of their damage.
- there is a sense that the major events of the MCU have been too clean and bloodless. In Civil War, when Secretary Ross is showing video clips of the Battle of NY, the fall of SHIELD, and Sokovia, the casualties are displayed in the videos, and they're laughably low. According to on screen information, 74 people died in the events of The Avengers. That's simply ludicrous--you had aliens running through office buildings shooting anything that moved, giant flying space monsters that smashed into buildings, etc. I don't think the end of The Avengers should have been on the same level as Man of Steel, with the death toll potentially up to 10,000, but there's no way less than 100 people died, either. The Netflix shows and Spider-Man Homecoming addressed the financial cost of the ruin, but you don't get the sense that this was a 9/11 scale event, either.
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Phase 4 (WORK IN PROGRESS)

4.1 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (early 2018)
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4.2 Black Panther (mid-late 2018)
- Ulysses Klaw lives, and is a bit less crazy/manic.
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4.3 Thor: Ragnarok (early 2019)
- Valkyrie, Thor, and Banner manage to escape from Sakaar, travelling through the wormhole. They travel first to the Enchantress, but she has already departed to join her sister's side on Asgard. They next travel to Jotunheim, then Muspelheim, recruiting both the Frost Giants and Ice Giants to aid in the toppling of Hela from the throne. (OOC: Always botherd me how THAT wormhole just happened to be pointed right at Asgard, at least this way they had to travel a bit. And the recruitment of Asgard's traditional enemies is a clever twist on Ragnarok (where Loki in the Norse legends is usually the one recruiting Frost Giants, for instance).)
- Meanwhile, Hela is gathering up the slain Asgardian peoples, converting them into yet more undead soldiers. The more who die, the more powerful her armies get. Skurge is seen in shadowy glimpses in the Asgardian forges, but what exactly he's doing is not known, aside from carrying large bundles in and out.
- While that is going on, Loki is leading the Revolution on Sakaar, at first deciding to not aid his brother and just stay and take power like his previous plan, but scenes with Korg convince him he needs to show to Thor he's not the same person he once was. Restoring order to Sakaar, he gathers up all the soldiers and gladiators of Sakaar into a vast army, trains and equips them briefly, then leads them through the wormhole to charge into Asgard. (OOC: An ironic twist, now Loki is acting a lot more like old Thor might have.)
- Both armies on Asgard at roughly the same time, shortly after Hela's undead armies begin besieging the Asgardian hidden shelters, forcing a run to the Bifrost to avoid certain death at Hela' hands. Normal Asgardians are show literally killing themselves (something like poison, maybe) to avoid certain death and eternal enslavement at Hela's hands, things go very bad, very quick.
- Multiple armies march on Asgard from all sides of space, Frost Giants, Fire Giants, Sakaarian forces led by Loki, and Thor's Revengers. TOTAL WAR THIS!!!
- The Warriors 3 and Natalie must live, or at least long enough for some of them to meet up with Thor when he arrives. Say two of them are seriously injured (Hogun and Volstagg), they get the Asgardian refugees to safety in ancient bunkers during darker times, then Volstagg dies of his wounds. Very emotional scene, lots of remembrance of better times. Thus we SHOW just how bad current times are getting.
- Hela's power is truly unleashed on the Frost Giants and Fire Giants, and there's huge casualties on all sides…but Hela's minions just get back up again, after a long while.
- When Thor, Valkyrie, and Hulk/BB arrive, Thor gets to actually meet Fandral and Hogun, who tell him of their stand and Volstagg's death, and Thor has to actually show grief over one of his best friend's death.
- Fandral and Hogun can still die by the end of the movie heroic deaths worthy of legend (perhaps standing with Skurge on the Bifrost's bridge against the endless horde, while Loki's Sakaarian ships are loading with refugees), but they need and deserve better treatment than what they got. Have Thor declare the destruction of Asgard the ultimate pyre for his friend's death, "their light will illuminate victory over a thousand worlds", etc.
- After Asgard's destruction, the temporary allies of Jotunheim, Muspelheim, and Asgard go their separate ways, both the Frost and Fire Giants' forces heavily mauled. The now-refugee fleet heads for Earth. Thor is crowned King of the Asgardian peoples, what remains of them, and Natalie Foster and Valkyrie depart from the Asgardian fleet in a smaller vessel. Natalie does so to continue her training, showing her growth beyond her love of Thor as a complete individual in her own right. Its heavily implied they're going to refound the Valkyries.
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4.4 Avengers: Infinity War (mid-late 2019)
- Fix Thanos' goal in Infinity War.
- By Infinity War SHIELD has been reformed, and SWORD also exists to both counterbalance SHIELD and to perform more offensive, proactive missions/duties (the international community having felt SHIELD was being asked to do too much post-WW2, thus setting itself up with weak spots that allowed HYDRA infiltration. (OOC: has to be a defense besides the Avengers)
- By Infinity War show that many First World nations have replaced much of their carrier groups with Avengers 1-style Helicarriers and Helicruisers. SHIELD and SWORD have their own, repulsor-equipped versions of both (basically the Winter Soldier Helicarriers stripped of giant death railguns; the overall design is still a good one).
- A SWORD Helicarrier group comes to Wakanda's aid in the climax of Infinity War, obliterating much of the Black Order's ground forces and forcing the Wakandans to deploy to wipe the elite stragglers out (instead of rushing into melee combat like its the Middle Ages).
- I would have left Thor with a missing eye and an eye patch. And you would have seen Thor shooting lighting and manipulating weather to attack his enemies in A3, not just using Stormbreaker for everything.
- I probably would have drawn the battle between Thor and Thanos out a bit more.
- I would have had the Scarlet Witch throw down with him a bit more too.


Post-Infinity War MCU

General Thoughts:
- The reality fucking with caused by the Infinity Stones, and the undoing of the Snap, is what sets up Galactus to be the next Big Bad.
- Thanos survived Infinity War, and is a complex 3D, evolving character like Loki is.

Ant-Man (???)
- For Ant-Man, make Darren Cross a red herring while the real villain is Hank Pym.
Yes, yes, Hank Pym gets too much crap as it is. And I don't care. Because Evil Hank solves a lot of the film's problems.
  1. You get a three-dimensional villain, a former superhero broken by his failures and the people he's lost.
  2. A better explanation for why Hope isn't the protagonist, even though she's obviously more competent than Scott. Hank doesn't want her involved because he's the bad guy who doesn't want her screwing up the plan, and we're supposed to root for her as she comes into her own as the Wasp.
 
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Comprehensive Pitch: Nystical's Shocker
Comprehensive Pitch | Spider-Man 2: Payday

Following @avatar11792 's MCU 2.0 timeline, here is my pitch for a 'Shocker' movie (Phase 3) which would be a 'sequel' to Spider-Man: Homecoming, because it would be building off of events in that movie. While also serving as a 'prequel' to Avengers: Civil War, by establishing additional reasons why oversight of super powered individuals is seen as important, by having some relatively successful and 'public' super-criminals active for a continuous period of time. I've also included some tweaks to Homecoming that help develop this movie a bit.



Spider-Man 2: Payday
3.1 Spider-Man: Homecoming (early 2015)
  • Other stuff suggested by @avatar11792 included, I have just listed additions/tweaks from his suggestions
  • The Vulture gang stuff is similar, though I don't have Vulture kill the first guy w/the Shocker outfit just to be EVIL.
  • Wilbur Day (Stilt-Man), David Cannon (Whirlwind), and Aaron Davis (Prowler) all manage to purchase tech from Vulture and escape Peter because of his low-tech suit/resources (wasn't found by Stark yet)
  • Shocker wears a yellow ski-mask, which is mocked by Peter.
  • When Vulture has captured Spider-Man in his base, Herman Schultz, wielder of the Chitauri-based Prototype Gauntlet, objects to killing Peter ("he's just a kid!") because he reminds him of his (deceased) younger brother, but that wouldn't be revealed this movie.
  • Shocker's objection to killing Peter causes a scrappy brawl to occur against Vulture which causes moderate structural damage to Vulture's warehouse, nearly causing Peter serious injury.
  • There is a moment in the fight where Herman is thrown near to Peter, and Peter tries to give him support to beat Vulture, but Herman shakes his head and decides to flee instead, realizing that he is leaving Peter to a fate decided by Vulture.

3.X Spider-Man 2: Payday
This movie would try to 'balance' between two intertwined plots, following Herman Schultz as he and his 'crew' become their 'Super-Villain' versions while preparing for a big heist, running parallel with Spider-Man fighting a newly appeared, very powerful Abomination.


  • Herman Schultz is seen at a cemetery, with Tom Petty's "For Real" playing, as his backstory is revealed
    • Orphaned as a teen (high school?), went to crime as a way to support him and his brother. Eventually his life of crime caused his relationship with his brother to deteriorate, but there is a scene where Herman is seen saving money in a jar labeled "for Marty's college", before cutting back (at the end of the flashback) to Marty Schultz's gravestone
  • Herman goes to a bar with a few other people that used to be in 'Vulture's gang' but were kicked out for some reason or another. Tinkerer, being the most recent Vulture 'drop-out' (by virtue of Vulture getting arrested) explains what has happened since, and despite Herman's optimism (which is a way of cheering himself up), Tinkerer puts him down, saying something to the effect of "it's over. There's no more Chitauri stuff to power our tech, the vulture suit is FUBAR'd, and Stark/SHIELD are aware of our old operation" because of the equipment starting to malfunction/wear down and not be as effective.
    • Crew (Now --> End of Film)
      • Herman Schultz --> Shocker
      • Mac Gargan --> Scorpion
      • Aaron Davis --> Prowler
      • Wilbur Day --> Stilt-Man
      • David Cannon --> Whirlwind
      • Phineas Mason --> Tinkerer
  • Scorpion got physically enhanced because of Chitauri tech poisoning or something, but it causes similar 'Scorpion' predator instincts.
  • Scenes of the various crew members trying to commit crimes/robberies with the tech with its need for maintenance obvious. Because of the chaos caused by an abduction, they manage to avoid or escape from Spider-Man, but they failed to secure their loot.
  • Herman, due to his failures to secure money from criminal activities, finds himself having to regretfully take from the jar he made of savings for his deceased brother Marty. Herman, feeling dejected and angry over this, smashes one of the gauntlets to pieces in a fit of desperation and anger. Realizing his mistake, he starts to try and to put it back together
  • Peter: Is enjoying school, hearing praise from Flash towards Spider-Man, and insults from Flash towards himself. He and Ned have a rhythm both in school and as Spider-Man and 'guy in the chair', and he's mostly taking it easy as nothing big has happened since his take-down of Vulture.
  • Herman has been slowly re-building and testing variations of the vibro-shock gauntlet and slowly learns about how it works, and how the effect of the Chitauri tech could be replicated with Earth-level technology, albeit not quite as powerful (yet) as the Chitauri version.
  • Herman shows off his new gauntlet to the crew back at the bar which inspires their confidence in him to lead them in planning a bank heist.
  • Peter: Abomination appears causing mayhem, chaos, and property damage galore, targeting the prison that contains Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, etc. Peter, feeling confident because of his super-strength, assumes a 'big guy' like Abomination still wouldn't be too much to handle, and goes in without preparation. Abomination doesn't necessarily want to fight, but Spider-Man is increasingly annoying so his anger eventually bubbles up and severely injures Peter in one blow. Some sort of collar on Abomination whirs and he calms down a little bit, running away from the scene.
  • Heist-planning and preparation:
    • Phineas and Herman both start to re-build and re-integrate Phineas' designs for the others's tech, with Phineas doing most of the work
    • The rest of the crew practice with their new tech, and start to assemble an outfit to use during the heist "if I'm going to stand out, I might as well look good doing it"
  • Herman, realizing the pain that the gauntlet by itself causes him, because of interior recoil, nearly risks getting found out by the authorities, but manages to escape and decides to get started on building a suit to counter-act the recoil.
  • Peter: Like a good Spider-Man, he motivates himself to defeat Abomination - along with Ned and Stark's guidance.
  • The scheduled time for the heist is rapidly approaching, but Herman still has not shown up to the bar/prep area. The crew start to exclaim worry over whether Herman will be ready, but he strolls into the bar with a duffel bag, orders a beer, walks into the bathroom "gimme one minute" and comes out in full "Shocker" glory.
  • As the plan for the heist is finalized, each of the member's roles, powers, outfits, and villain name is established, which serves as a way for the audience to also understand the plan, the powers, and the identities that each of the characters brings to the table.
    • Tinkerer is not physically participating in the heist, but is getting a cut for his work on their tech and 'consulting'.
Alternative Ending - Bigger and Badass-er
Main difference is that I expanded on the roles each member of the crew actually does/gets to do for the heist, added a getaway portion, and expanded the roles for the fight vs abomination.
  • The city was evacuated because of the Hulk Monster, clearing the roads for the military to move in to the city.
  • Peter: As the heist unfolds, Peter must make a choice between facing his fears (Abomination) or going after what he sees as the 'easier target' in the heist. He chooses Abomination, because that's the real threat.
  • The heist of the movie begins. Each character gets a role for the heist
    • Shocker blows off the vault door/walls for escape
    • Tinkerer is 'the guy in the chair' monitoring police activity from a safe location
    • Whirlwind uses his speed to quickly build barricades throughout the main entrances and exits
    • Stilt-Man uses his telescoping legs to quickly move the loot from the ground floor to the top of the building for extraction
    • Prowler is on a building's rooftop, watching the loot and the getaway vehicle from above
    • Scorpion is inside the getaway vehicle (enhanced reflexes improve his driving skills the most)
  • As the heist completes, The crew makes off
  • Now there are 2 'action' scenes happening at once, with the movie going back and forth until they meet
    • First - Spider-Man vs Abomination
      • Spider-Man is using his gadgets and full potential of the upgraded Iron Spider suit that Stark gave him to fight the Abomination, but the military gets in the way, and Spider-Man is quite simply not doing enough damage to subdue him.
    • Second - Shocker's Crew evading the police in their getaway vehicle (for fun, why not a tinkerer-modified limo) and begin to be pursued by the police, news helicopters, and the military.
      • Scorpion drives incredibly skillfully thanks to increased reaction speed. He changes gears with his tail while driving with both hands
      • Stilt-Man is on the vehicle, using his telescoping legs to turn the steering wheel of the cars chasing them
      • Shocker is in the sunroof blasting the police cars that are following the vehicle
      • Whirlwind is using his speed to get ahead of the vehicle, getting rid of the barricades and blockades that will impede it
      • Prowler is gliding from the rooftops of New York, observing the fight below and using his various gadgets, such as his grappling hook to try and get control over the police helicopter,
      • Tinkerer is still being the guy in the chair, but also advising the crew on additional ways they can (or can't) use their equipment
  • The 2 events 'meet up in the middle' with Spider-Man vs Abomination being followed by the military and Shocker's crew being followed by the police.
  • Shocker's Crew + Spider-Man vs Abomination
    • Whirlwind's speed lets him attack and evade easily, and to throwing projectiles
    • Scorpion's reflexes and power lets him do the same
    • Shocker and Silt-Man are holding back, using their long-range capabilities
      • Stilt-Man uses his telescoping legs to distract Abomination from afar. Remember, even if the leg is grabbed by Abomination, it will automatically detach, which merely reduces his maximum length.
    • Tinkerer hacks the communications in the Iron Spider suit to get him to coordinate with the crew
    • Prowler uses his gadgets such as sleeping gas pellets, and his gauntlet's steel climbing claws
    • Spider-Man uses his webbing to slow down Abomination at key times, allowing the crew's attacks to actually hit critical spots effectively
  • Eventually, Abomination is defeated. Spider-Man is too tired to pursue the crew, but the police are closing in. The crew wonders what they are going to do, but tinkerer tells them to "get into the limo and buckle up", which they do.
  • On live television, the crew's limo lifts off using a combination of vulture's gliding and shocker's propulsion technology, flying away into the sunset, loot and all.
What this sets up for the future:
  • All of these villains have been established for later use in the MCU and in the TV show, as side-characters, as background examples of 'super-criminal' activity (as opposed to 'super-villain' activity), sets up potential rivalries within the villain community, etc.
  • Because Spider-Man knows what truly happened, (and has context from his prior encounter with Shocker) he could be the one to vouch for Shocker when it comes time to pull out all the stops in Infinity War to defeat Thanos.


3.1 Spider-Man: Homecoming (early 2015)
- Certainly a lot of stuff changes:
  • The Vulture gang stuff is similar, though I don't have Vulture kill the first guy w/the Shocker outfit just to be EVIL.'
  • Wilbur Day (Stilt-Man), David Cannon (Whirlwind), and Aaron Davis (Prowler) all manage to purchase tech from Vulture and escape Peter because of his low-tech suit/resources (wasn't found by Stark yet)
  • Shocker wears a yellow ski-mask, which is mocked by Peter.
  • When Vulture has captured Spider-Man in his base, Herman Schultz, wielder of the Chitauri-based Prototype Gauntlet, objects to killing Peter ("he's just a kid!") because he reminds him of his (deceased) younger brother, but that wouldn't be revealed this movie.
  • Shocker's objection to killing Peter causes a scrappy brawl to occur against Vulture which causes moderate structural damage to Vulture's warehouse, nearly causing Peter serious injury.
  • There is a moment in the fight where Herman is thrown near to Peter, and Peter tries to give him support to beat Vulture, but Herman shakes his head and decides to flee instead, realizing that he is leaving Peter to a fate decided by Vulture.

3.X Spider-Man 2: Payday
This movie would try to 'balance' between two intertwined plots, following Herman Schultz as he and his 'crew' become their 'Super-Villain' versions while preparing for a big heist, running parallel with Spider-Man fighting a newly appeared, very powerful Abomination.


  • Herman Schultz is seen at a cemetery, with Tom Petty's "For Real" playing, as his backstory is revealed
    • Orphaned as a teen (high school?), went to crime as a way to support him and his brother. Eventually his life of crime caused his relationship with his brother to deteriorate, but there is a scene where Herman is seen saving money in a jar labeled "for Marty's college", before cutting back (at the end of the flashback) to Marty Schultz's gravestone
  • Herman goes to a bar with a few other people that used to be in 'Vulture's gang' but were kicked out for some reason or another. Tinkerer, being the most recent Vulture 'drop-out' (by virtue of Vulture getting arrested) explains what has happened since, and despite Herman's optimism (which is a way of cheering himself up), Tinkerer puts him down, saying something to the effect of "it's over. There's no more Chitauri stuff to power our tech, the vulture suit is FUBAR'd, and Stark/SHIELD are aware of our old operation" because of the equipment starting to malfunction/wear down and not be as effective.
    • Crew (Now --> End of Film)
      • Herman Schultz --> Shocker
      • Mac Gargan --> Scorpion
      • Aaron Davis --> Prowler
      • Wilbur Day --> Stilt-Man
      • David Cannon --> Whirlwind
      • Phineas Mason --> Tinkerer
  • Scorpion got physically enhanced because of Chitauri tech poisoning or something, but it causes similar 'Scorpion' predator instincts.
  • Scenes of the various crew members trying to commit crimes/robberies with the tech with its need for maintenance obvious. Because of the chaos caused by an abduction, they manage to avoid or escape from Spider-Man, but they failed to secure their loot.
  • Herman, due to his failures to secure money from criminal activities, finds himself having to regretfully take from the jar he made of savings for his deceased brother Marty. Herman, feeling dejected and angry over this, smashes one of the gauntlets to pieces in a fit of desperation and anger. Realizing his mistake, he starts to try and to put it back together
  • Peter: Is enjoying school, hearing praise from Flash towards Spider-Man, and insults from Flash towards himself. He and Ned have a rhythm both in school and as Spider-Man and 'guy in the chair', and he's mostly taking it easy as nothing big has happened since his take-down of Vulture.
  • Herman has been slowly re-building and testing variations of the vibro-shock gauntlet and slowly learns about how it works, and how the effect of the Chitauri tech could be replicated with Earth-level technology, albeit not quite as powerful (yet) as the Chitauri version.
  • Herman shows off his new gauntlet to the crew back at the bar which inspires their confidence in him to lead them in planning a bank heist.
  • Peter: Abomination appears causing mayhem, chaos, and property damage galore, targeting the prison that contains Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, etc. Peter, feeling confident because of his super-strength, assumes a 'big guy' like Abomination still wouldn't be too much to handle, and goes in without preparation. Abomination doesn't necessarily want to fight, but Spider-Man is increasingly annoying so his anger eventually bubbles up and severely injures Peter in one blow. Some sort of collar on Abomination whirs and he calms down a little bit, running away from the scene.
  • Heist-planning and preparation:
    • Phineas and Herman both start to re-build and re-integrate Phineas' designs for the others's tech, with Phineas doing most of the work
    • The rest of the crew practice with their new tech, and start to assemble an outfit to use during the heist "if I'm going to stand out, I might as well look good doing it"
  • Herman, realizing the pain that the gauntlet by itself causes him, because of interior recoil, nearly risks getting found out by the authorities, but manages to escape and decides to get started on building a suit to counter-act the recoil.
  • Peter: Like a good Spider-Man, he motivates himself to defeat Abomination - along with Ned and Stark's guidance.
  • The scheduled time for the heist is rapidly approaching, but Herman still has not shown up to the bar/prep area. The crew start to exclaim worry over whether Herman will be ready, but he strolls into the bar with a duffel bag, orders a beer, walks into the bathroom "gimme one minute" and comes out in full "Shocker" glory.
  • As the heist is finalized, each of the member's roles, powers, outfits, and villain name is established, which serves as a way for the audience to also understand the plan, the powers, and the identities that each of the characters brings to the table.
    • Tinkerer is not physically participating in the heist, but is getting a cut for his work on their tech and 'consulting'.
  • Peter: As the heist unfolds, Peter must make a choice between facing his fears (Abomination) or going after what he sees as the 'easier target.' He chooses Abomination, but then overhears radio chatter stating that Abomination's position is converging with the bank anyway.
  • Climax of the movie. As the heist completes, Stilt-Man, Prowler, Whirlwind have made off with their share of the loot, but two stay behind - Shocker and Scorpion, as Spider-Man and Abomination's fight happens around them, which delays them as they observe it:
    • Shocker, pauses because he feels guilty over what happened before as he left Spider-Man "who was just a kid - like his brother Mary"
    • Scorpion, pauses because he feels angry and belittled by Spider-Man besting him before, along with the changes to his psyche
  • The fight reaches Shocker and Scorpion, who defend themselves from Abomination's rampage. This causes the final battle to settle into a 3v1 of Spider-Man, Shocker, Scorpion vs Abomination inside the bank, where the public cannot see (area evacuated by now).
  • After besting Abomination, Scorpion and Shocker are the 'healthiest' of the trio, which Scorpion uses to restrain Spider-Man, and to taunt him before attempting to kill him. Herman attempts to talk him down, saying that he's just a kid, just take the loot and run, if you kill him the Avengers will hunt you down, etc.
  • This devolves into Shocker and Scorpion fighting each other, and after Scorpion feels like he will lose, escapes the scene after a final brutal attack on Shocker.
  • Shocker, heavily injured and tired by now, finds himself alone with Spider-Man as the police begin to surround the building, demanding his surrender. Seeing no possible alternatives, he bluffs by holding Spider-Man hostage and uses the fear of the potential threat of Abomination that both Spider-Man and the Police have to escape with his portion of the loot.
  • Ends with a News Broadcast that declares "Abomination and Shocker defeat Spider-Man" much to Herman's annoyance.
What this sets up for the future:
  • All of these villains have been established for later use in the MCU and in the TV show, as side-characters, as background examples of 'super-criminal' activity (as opposed to 'super-villain' activity), sets up potential rivalries within the villain community, etc.
  • Because Spider-Man knows what truly happened, (and has context from his prior encounter with Shocker) he could be the one to vouch for Shocker when it comes time to pull out all the stops in Infinity War to defeat Thanos.


Additional Notes:
  • The villain Spider-Man faces throughout the movie and whom forces Shocker's crew to work with Spider-Man to defend themselves is definitely TBD, but I think a hulk-monster could be a good fit, as it would reduce the need to explain why it would even want to fight Shocker's crew (it's angry, and they are in front of it)
  • As for music, I think there should be a theme for
    • Shocker that represents his sadness, his sense of loss of his brother, his guilt for not saving Peter in Homecoming, but most importantly his optimism and goofiness that he uses to cope with his past and look towards the future.
    • Scorpion, to represent the psychological changes that have happened to him to make him want to hunt down Spider-Man.
    • The crew as a whole, to be kind of up-beat but also bittersweet, to give the audience the feeling that they are happy that these losers are succeeding and learning how to use their equipment for not just theft but for 'super-combat' as well, and fully realizing their potential, but it's also bittersweet because they will use that potential for crime.

After Credits Scene: An "A-Tier" villain attempts to recruit 'Shocker's Crew' for something big. Their response is not heard. Could build a lot of hype and we could go with Sinister Six or Masters of Evil with this.
 
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4. Pre-Production: Casting Call (The Incredible Hulk)
You were honestly a bit taken aback at how much interest there was in signing on to a Hulk movie. Obviously the character is pretty well known; Hulk has been around for almost fifty years now, and more of these Hollywood types than you'd expect consider Gwen Stacy to be their first heartbreak. Still, you don't win an Academy Award for your heart-wrenching depiction of Mr. Hyde's Jolly Green Giant cosplay. Apparently though folks have been passing around the script and liking what they see. A lot of big names were interested in Ang Lee's fiasco before getting their hands on the script, and hearing "this time it's good" has been enough to bring most of them back to the audition process.

You've even got Leslie fucking Nielsen interested in a cameo once he heard about the film's setting.

Casting Bruce Banner: The star of the show! Bruce Banner is one of the smartest men on the planet, transformed by an experiment gone wrong into a rampaging brute called the Hulk (who this actor will also be portraying via mocap). You're looking for someone who is believable as a genius but also capable of showing the immense repressed anger Bruce is holding back at all times.

[] Edward Norton - Norton is obviously a very talented actor who has apparently been interested in portraying the Hulk for half a decade now. He's certainly help bring in viewers and critics alike, but he does have a reputation for being difficult to work with, particularly when it comes to demanding rewrites and edits that make the movie more to his liking. Is he worth the risk?
[] Mark Ruffalo - Another actor you have your eyes on is Ruffalo, whose career has been steadily rising the last few years. He's not quite as talented as Norton, but he'd certainly be easier to work with and as a native Wisconsinite might be a good fit for this particular movie. If you want him though you'll have to move fast as he might be closing the deal with some smaller projects.
[] Joaquin Phoenix - There was quite a bit of interest in Phoenix for the part but little hope of actually getting him. He has a reputation of only taking on projects he's interested in and passionate about, regardless of the money. But after reading the script and talking with Leterrier he's definitely interested. He's an excellent actor who you think could really tap into that inner anger.
[] Hugh Dancy - Dancy is a somewhat lesser known name but he really impressed you in his audition with his ability to portray Banner's constantly suppressed rage. As far as your desire to cast lesser known actors who won't risk overshadowing the character they're playing, Dancy seems like a close to perfect Bruce Banner to bring into this project! He might be cheaper too.
[] David Duchovny - The last guy you're considering is best known as Agent Mulder from The X-Files. He's got something of a cult following for that but this wouldn't be his first foray onto the big screen. He's a smart guy used to the rigors of portraying a smart guy on screen and he's still young enough that he could portray the character for as long as you plan on using Bruce Banner.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Rick Jones:
A young man who becomes a friend and confidant to both Bruce and the Hulk throughout the course of the movie. In casting Rick you're looking for someone capable of showing genuine emotion as well as being comic relief in a movie which otherwise has a somewhat subtle humor playing second fiddle to the drama and action.

[] Dave Franco - Brother to James Franco (Harry Osborn in Raimi's Spider-Man movies), the younger Franco hasn't quite had his breakthrough into film yet but is interested in the opportunity. He's untested and seems to bring an enthusiasm and energy to the role, but maybe someone more established would be safer?
[] Garrett Hedlund - A pretty new actor who got his start in Troy a few years ago, he's consistently gotten work since then (even if we don't talk about Eragon). The rest of his performances have been well received in the past and he's not doing anything big that would keep him from signing onto this!
[] Luke Mitchell - Another untested new guy who had a solid audition for the part, Mitchell is Australian and seems to regard Rick Jones as a character who could kick-start his career (which, given that it hasn't really started yet is pretty accurate). Are you willing to take a risk on casting this part, though?
[] Andrew Garfield - A rising star from the UK, Garfield is apparently going to be named one of Variety's "10 Actors to Watch" according to one of your connections. From what you've seen of his work he is a hardworking talented kid, someone who deserves better than the projects he might be saddled with later on.
[] Ian Harding - Yet another largely untested young actor (you're noticing a pattern here), Harding has only really appeared in a short film called Groom With a View. He's decently good looking and could be a solid choice for Rick Jones if you're okay with giving him a chance to kick-start his career.
[] Tyler Hoechlin - One of the youngest and most experienced actors you're considering for Rick, Hoechlin is a likable and talented guy. The only real concern you have about him is that he might be too good looking to pass as the character. Honestly he looks like he ought to be portraying Superman.
[] Sam Claflin - The last of your untested stars has yet to appear in movie or television, but he impressed with his audition. Signing him on would, again, be something of a gamble, but he seems like he could pull of a character who has to be likable and charming but still show some inner depths.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Geoffrey Crawford: The catalyst who kicks off the plot and the true antagonist, Doctor Crawford is a scientist attempting to recreate the experiment which birthed the Hulk. Not so much a physical threat, Crawford should be able to play as intelligent and sinister, someone the audience will buy as an antagonist in a film featuring a giant hairy monster with big claws and sharp teeth.

[] Rhys Ifans - This Welsh actor is probably the one who bears the strongest resemblance to Crawford's comic book self. He's been consistently cast in movies for more than a decade and been nominated for his share of awards in that time. Honestly you're not exactly sure how he'd pop on screen but he seems decently talented.
[] Mark Ruffalo - Ruffalo is already being considered for Banner, but there's been some chatter that he might be a good fit for the film's antagonist as well (obviously he can't do both). He's got a likable way about him after all and he's someone you know could pull off a smart guy and an angry guy at the same time.
[] Kenneth Branagh - Definitely a talented and qualified actor with a long filmography (even if audiences most likely know him as Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets). Branagh could bring an enthusiastic energy to the party that could make Crawford a more memorable villain than he otherwise might be.
[] Tony Shalhoub - Another talented guy you've had your eye on is Shalhoub, who just has a certain mad scientist vibe to him. You also know he doesn't take himself too seriously given his appearance in Spy Kids which could help create a somewhat eccentric and memorable villain in this second move of the MCU.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Paul Cartier:
A kidnapped townie who was transformed by Crawford's experiments into the monstrous Wendigo (the physical threat to Hulk and the creature terrorizing the town). Cartier should be someone likable and who more or less appears what he is: just a normal guy who got caught up in something truly horrifying. Ideally a northerner.

[] Nathan Fillion - If you want to bring in the fanboys while still finding a genuinely talented actor there's no one better than Firefly's Captain Malcolm Reynolds. Fillion actually is Canadian, and apart from a small project he's working on with Whedon (based on the WGA strike, which you've luckily managed to distance yourself from) he's not too busy.
[] Joshua Jackson - Another Canadian who can pull off the look you're going for if he grows a beard (though he's still a bit young for the part), Jackson has been consistently getting work since the early 1990s and a movie like this could be a big opportunity for him if he wants to transition more fully to movies.
[] Josh Duhamel - Duhamel is from North Dakota and sort of fits the look you're hoping to find in your Paul Cartier. He's only been starring in films for a few years now but he's done well for himself and was just this year one of the cast members on the Transformers movie. Given that that has a sequel on the way in 2009 maybe he's a bit overworked!
[] Justin Theroux - Maybe he didn't quite make the cut as Iron Man (not that anyone was going to stop Favreau from picking Bob), but Theroux is still a talented actor who could portray the somewhat rugged but likable family man that is Paul Cartier. He definitely seems interested in signing on with Marvel in any case.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Marie Cartier:
Paul Cartier's wife and the mother of their children. A somewhat small role where a less known actress could be a solid choice, Cartier should (like her husband) be a somewhat likable northerner (from either Canada or the upper Midwest) who simply got caught up in the affairs of superheroes and supervillains against her will.

[] Sarah Polley - A native Canadian actress, Polley is one of the team's top picks for Marie Cartier. Despite her youth she's been appearing in pictures since the mid 1980s, and while she hasn't appeared in any comic movies the script and general appeal here seems to have won her over enough to audition for a part.
[] Charisma Carpenter - Another Whedon protege, well known for playing Cordelia Chase in Buffy and Angel, Carpenter has more experience in television than movies but is nonetheless being considered by the team. Casting her could definitely help her career if all goes well and maybe build some ties to Whedon.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Samuel Sterns:
A down on his luck loser who is taken by Doctor Crawford and transformed into the Leader (a villain we are setting up for a theoretical sequel who will be shown fully transformed at the end of the movie). You obviously want someone willing to sign on for said sequel (if it happens) and who has some serious range to establish him here and build him up for later.

[] James McAvoy - A young actor, you've heard some very good things about McAvoy (and his performance in Atonement which will be coming out this year) from Hollywood insiders. He's not at all opposed to appearing within a comic book movie and seems like he could pull off both sides of the Leader - pre and post-transformation.
[] David Thewlis - A slightly older take on the character could come from David Thewlis, though the timing might be tight given that he's got a Harry Potter movie coming out this year and another one likely in 2009. You think he's got the potential to portray someone sinister if given the chance to be a big time villain.
[] Peter Stormare - An experienced guy who certainly fits the physicality of the pre-transformation Sterns, Stormare is the oldest of the actors you're considering for a part which doesn't have a set age attached to it (though you've been discussing keeping him closer to Banner). Maybe his take on the character could be a fun one though.
[] Sam Rockwell - It's hard not to like Sam Rockwell and his somewhat wacky characterizations. He wasn't your choice for Tony Stark but you've kept a close eye on him and are really hoping to work him into a future projects. The Leader would be a somewhat unusual choice for him but you're interested to see what he could do with it!
[] Glenn Howerton - Another young man, Howerton is a mostly fresh face for audiences. He's been appearing in movies and television since 2002, but he hasn't quite broken out yet. Setting himself up as the villain in a superhero flick could be good for him, and he did pull off a sort of manic intensity in the auditions.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).

Casting Betty Ross:
Bruce Banner's true love and the daughter of General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross, Betty has a somewhat small role (only appearing via phone call before the climax and the post credits scene) but nonetheless we want someone who could play a more involved part in a hypothetical sequel and create audience investment from a short and emotional conversation.

[] Liv Tyler - Tyler is certainly a well known face given her portrayal of Arwen in the Lord of the Rings movies and her appreciation for the old television show has left her interested in the role of Betty Ross even if her appearance is mostly setup for a sequel where the love story could be explored more properly.
[] Michelle Monaghan - Another talented actress who has been rising in popularity since the dawn of the century, Monaghan has been willing to get involved in comic book movies in the past (though her scenes in Constantine were unfortunately cut) and is interested in a multi-picture deal to portray Betty Ross.
[] Rose Byrne - Since her small role in Attack of the Clones in 2002 (oy), Byrne has been doing quite well for herself. Like the others listed here she's willing and eager to appear within a comic book movie and understands that her character is mostly being set up as a main character in a theoretical but likely sequel.
[] I'm thinking of someone else (write-in).
 
Player Omake: "The trees for the forest"
Omake: The trees for the forest

Looking at the Hulk script you could not help the feeling of pride and hope that swelled from inside. It was intoxicating, the very thought that this might actually be it, this might actually be a good Hulk movie! To finally show everyone why thousands of people read the stories, and convincing them to read them as well! It could be the first step into rebuilding Marvel!

Well...second step actually.

You couldn't help but frown slightly. True, it was a good movie, and the actor potential would help, yet the thought of it being the Second of the new Marvel Cinematic Universe put a damper into your enthusiasm. You really shouldn't be angry. You'd read both scripts, and Iron Man was as good, if not better than what had been done for the Hulk. Both movies would be the foundations for the future of Marvel into the 21st century, you were sure of it.

And yet...

And yet...You couldn't help it. Hulk was the film that no one held any expectations of being good. it had already failed catastrophically. Yet the new script could and would change all of it. It was full of potential for the future of the MCU.

That was the problem.

It was supposed to be a film for the MCU, and yet it lacked the connection to the expanded universe. It could easily be seen as a standalone film

Iron Man had it. Even with the deeper conflict between Obadiah and Tony as reflections of each other there would still be enough time to include and connect it to other films. Teasers for War Machine, small cameos and mentions of S.H.I.E.L.D., Nick Fury appearing in an after the credits scene. Everyone Will be excited about a shared and connected universe of films.

Hulk didn't have that.

A scientist recreating the Hulk experiments...Cameos for Betsy Ross and The Leader...It just...

It was good, you knew that.

You just...felt...it could be better.

Yeah, what can we do? Connect it all to..-

You stood up.

...Could it work...?!

You think back in the mythos, the stories, the space in the movie. You never notice when you start pacing, all the while thinking what this could mean for the story at large.

...He was originally saved by Bruce, so add a scene of him being saved...

Yes

...He was a long time companion, and not afraid of him at all, so him following Bruce could be easily explained...

Yes!

...He helped form the Avengers, so there's a hook up for the future...

YES!!

THAT'S IT!!!

The connection the movie needed! The one that would make it a must see movie for the MCU!

Rick Jones

Bruce's constant companion, the one who always believed in him, and followed him after he saved his life! One of the very few people that actually could call the Hulk a true friend!

One of the two people who helped found the Avengers.

It's perfect!

It would be so simple. Add a scene with Bruce saving him from the Wendigo. Some scenes with Rick befreinding both Bruce and Hulk...Perhaps showing him some of his favorite stuff while transformed to try and form a connection...Rick deciding to follow Bruce when he leaves, refusing to leave his side...

And the final touch...the Avengers creation.

It would blow everyone's mind.

You stopped pacing and left your office.

There were scenes to be added, and a role to be expanded.

A.N: Wrote this because with all the talk about Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, etc., it's always easy to miss the tree because of the forest. Rick Jones was an important character for Marvel, and if used correctly he could be so as well for the MCU. The idea here was that the role of Rick Jones pops up in trying to incorporate Hulk more tightly to the MCU, and then we remember that he was more than just Hulk's friend.
 
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Player Omake: "To create a universe"
To create a universe

In hindsight the solution had been so obvious, as if it had been screaming in your faces for weeks, and yet, in your excitement, in the excitement of everyone involved you simply didn't see.

For days, if not weeks of vague idea throwing, you, Favreau and his writing teams, five talented people and you, since you modestly excluded yourself from most of the writing process, have been working on how to create not just a fantastic Marvel movie, but a universe.

You had to, really. You knew it in your bones, you knew it back when you were on set of the Raimi movies. This would be your draw, what would bring people all around to the silver screen, would have them talk and speculate about it long after Iron Man left the cinemas and new projects would be announced.

A Marvel universe, connected, where fans of different tastes would be able to find something to their liking. Wasn't this the reason the comics had created it at first? So that fans who wanted to experience the final frontier could follow the adventures of the Silver Surfer? And if they developed an appetite for the magical, they could straight jump into a comic like Doctor Strange: The Oath? Perhaps making them look for comics that depicted both heroes?

A Marvel universe that offered everyone something to grab, from kickass women, to stories about racism and bigotry, to the fantastic adventures of Spider-Man. A world that treated its heroes as special, but also only as small components of a greater thing, making it more than the sum of its parts.

And there you six were, having long decided to start it all with Iron Man, having already created a strong foundation for a script. One that would allow even a flawed hero as Tony Stark, with his arrogance and ego, to charm a wide audience with his wit, his intelligence, his charisma and his awakened compassion which would drive him to take his invention, born out of a desire to live, further than anyone could imagine and use it as a force of good.

The concept art for the armor, of the scenes of its creation were already bursting with energy. You really hoped that with props and CGI you would be able to recreate at least some of the electricity of the pages. The actor you would hire would need to bring Tony's drive to life...

Yes, and that was the problem. Your drafts, they were telling Tony Stark's story. Full of his flaws and his growth. The movie would show Tony's journey to find that heart of gold buried in his snark, represented through the reactor that would power the armor. It would need to establish his friendship with Rhodey, Tony's relationship with Pepper and his bond to Stane which would break when they came to an impasse on how to use the Iron Man armor.

Where was room for your promise?

You had the references already picked. SHIELD first and foremost would be the Easter egg that would catch comic fans' attention. But references and Easter eggs, they would never create a wave of excitement and anticipation. You needed something bigger, something direct, something even a moviegoer who didn't know the comics would be taken by surprise and would make him curious. A scene which would wreck the pacing of a tightly told story.

Nick Fury, and you knew it had to be him. You had Samuel L. Jackson ready to bring the master spy to life and announce to the world that this newly created studio would try to do what no one ever tried, an interconnected universe with the Avengers at its heart. However, he could only come after the creation of the armor.

It would be screentime that would be taken from a movie which at this point would have to double down on Tony. His character growth and his armor, they would not only have to spawn action scenes, and weren't you giddy to see him perform the superhero landing for the first time, the movie would need to show his relationship with the supporting cast changing.

You could not, under any circumstances, make the movie pause just so that you could do advertisement for you, your studio and the next movies. Iron Man had to be a fantastic movie first, the starting point of your universe second.

Still, it was a strong second, one which you are building the hopes of Marvel on.

You were already to throw in the towel and change your imagined ending of the movie, Tony Stark announcing to the world that his bodyguard was in fact the first superhero of a new age and a smash cut from the uproar among the reporters, before you grasped on the idea of a post-credit scene.

In all your excitement you aren't sure whom you owed a big, fat kiss for reminding you of this.

A post-credit scene solved all your problems. You wanted to find a way to honor the crew working on the movie anyway, and a few extra minutes of content would keep fans in their seats to watch their names. Or at least they would once the word spread. You aren't naive, most people won't stick around, not on their first viewing when they wouldn't expect anything be left from the movie. But some would, and they would tell their friends, and they would do it over facebook and myspace and reach more people and rumors of this additional scene, this promise, would bring people who missed it back to the screenings.

After all, if after a fantastic comicbook movie, one brimming with sheer unconstrained joy from its own existence, one where you could feel the passion of the people involved, who among fans would want to miss the moment that would give them what you simply knew they wanted, even if they were convinced it would never happen?

Earth's mightiest Heroes and with them a Marvel universe.

An omake I wrote, I'm hoping to boost Iron Man's chances.
 
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5. Production & Post Production (Iron Man)
Any groans at being woken up are quickly drowned out by the greater annoyance at the number calling. You press your tongue hard against your teeth for a moment before answering. "Good morning, Ike."

"You're spending three million dollars on fucking music?"

You wince more at the volume than the rebuke. "Every kid on the planet can hum the Harry Potter theme. If we want to break even we can keep doing what we've done in the past. If we want to make our money's worth we've got to actually put the effort in to make these things worth remembering-"

"Three MILLION dollars. Money we don't even fucking have. If you screw this up-"

"If I screwed this up you'd be smart to fire me. I haven't. The movie is great. Kids will love it. Adults will love it. It'll sell tickets and it'll sell toys." You pause for a second. "You know, we were only able to bulk up the music budget because our casting negotiations went so well. Some of these guys were so eager-"

The line went dead. Asshole. Didn't matter. He'd be eating shit soon enough.

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Fucking hell.

It's genuinely hard to imagine this having gone better. You've worked on more than a dozen sets in your still young career but even you can tell this team has tapped into something special. More than one person has approached you just to talk about his infectious the excitement and positivity is. The effects are looking great, the fucking music Djawadi and Zimmer put together after talking Favreau out of his electric guitar kick is so annoyingly catchy you're still humming it, and you're on track to finish under budget and ahead of schedule. Eat shit, Ike.

But the real treat has been seeing the team at work. Some of the guys at Marvel thought you were taking a risk when Favreau tapped Downey for the role, but it's already impossible to imagine anyone else in the role. Bob's Tony Stark is obscenely magnetic in comedic and dramatic moments alike. He's taken an already excellent script and raised it even higher with some hilarious improv. Bridges has been nearly as impressive as Obadiah Stane, tackling the role in a way which you're guessing will make him an unlikely fan favorite (which is why you've decided not to kill him off in case he wants to make a sequel appearance filmed in one of America's cushiest prisons). The chemistry between Bob and Jessica is so electric the tabloids are already blathering on about an affair (which thankfully the two of them and Susan have been laughing off).

Honestly the only think which has been less than perfect is the scenes between Stark and Rhodes. They're good, really good, just not quite as compelling a relationship as that between Tony and Pepper or Tony and Obadiah. It's given you something to think about because there is time to reshoot a few moments which didn't film perfectly and maybe boost them up. The only problem is it would add a few more weeks to production. Right now you're most likely looking at a release date sometime in late March or April, which gives you some distance from Nolan's The Dark Knight. Reshoots could make the movie perfect but also push the release date back to May and risk earnings.

So... what'll it be?

[] Reshoot scenes featuring Downey and Cheadle (+27 for a total of 104), delaying the release of Iron Man until early May.
[] The movie is great as is, and that extra month of distance could shield you from the juggernaut of hype that is Nolan's Batman. Shoot for an early April release.
 
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