God has specifically said that all is fine.
Let's have some faith in that, yeah?
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Especially since, again, we don't know what the threat is, so Lucifer and co interfering could be the threat for all we know.
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The War in Heaven: An Angel in the War of Wrath
Let's have some faith in that, yeah?
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Especially since, again, we don't know what the threat is, so Lucifer and co interfering could be the threat for all we know.
Speaking out of character:
I can't remember if the nature of the threat was ever revealed by the line. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it was the War in Heaven since that basically ruined everything for everyone. That said, given how God very likely ordered Lucifer to fall, it just one big, convoluted mess all around.
I'm deliberately ignoring it because the loyalists' course of action of "We're going to make our humans stupid again," followed by, "Oh shit, we have to make our humans smart again because their humans are better at killing than our humans," is a bit too tragicomic for my tastes.
That and I believe that the rebels will have more freedom.
That and I believe that the rebels will have more freedom.
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[X] Rebel
ganonso
Compulsive Quest Starter
- Location
- PACA France
Vote tally:
##### 3.21
[X] Loyalist
No. of votes: 11
Krain, King Arthur, Mannan, Zeinland, SirLagginton, Calamista, Ruirk, Corvus Black, D King Hecht, useofstrike32, Chief18753
[X] Rebel
No. of votes: 9
Dark Ness, afterthought53, veekie, Creticus, Yonatan, rogthnor, Sirdragon, silentspirals, wingstrike96
##### 3.21
[X] Loyalist
No. of votes: 11
Krain, King Arthur, Mannan, Zeinland, SirLagginton, Calamista, Ruirk, Corvus Black, D King Hecht, useofstrike32, Chief18753
[X] Rebel
No. of votes: 9
Dark Ness, afterthought53, veekie, Creticus, Yonatan, rogthnor, Sirdragon, silentspirals, wingstrike96
Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
- Location
- The Primordial Soup
Rebelling is more likely to lead to that. Because, in Hell, we will be around demons to slap, where as there are only angels in heaven. Remember, everyone in the war was an angel, they only became demons after they lost.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Arguably, love humanity is a subjective thing as it is.
Still, I don't really care about any of that. I'm here to kill the lampreys and fight demons. And I'm all outta lampreys.
Bear in mind that this is Old World of Darkness God.
- Location
- Puerto Rico
Not really. The commandment we are thinking of breaking is to "Love Man and Woman, but stay hidden from them." So that means that while we may love them we are not allowed to directly intervene in their lives.
So doing nothing but what we have always done will follow it as we would still love them but not directly intervene and do indirect things to help. While those who would go to Earth and help mankind directly breaks it.
Thats the reason the angels fall, disobeying God. If we stay loyal we don't fall.
This is based on Demon: the Fallen, which is one of the RPGs that make up the Old World of Darkness setting. Like its name suggests, it is not exactly a nice place to live in, with many of its problems traceable to divine shenanigans. This is particularly true if you believe that the background of Demon: the Fallen should take precedence over the backgrounds of the other RPGs that make up the setting, which is a pretty contentious choice to say the least.
MORE INFORMATION PLEASE? LINK?
- Location
- Puerto Rico
Thanks for the info!
EDIT: Just read a little bit of the demon faction and I don't like them one bit.
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The Wikipedia article is pretty informative when it comes to the basics. The books can be found on DriveThruRPG.
By the time that they escape, I don't really think you're supposed to.
They fell for sympathetic reasons, but it's pretty clear that the Fall, the War, and their stay in Hell turned all of them into raving monsters. Look at how Dagon is exactly as monstrous as the other Earthbound, even though he was so noble that his legion was the only one of the five to never commit an atrocity against either angel or human throughout the War.
What makes the RPG interesting is that their newfound perspective gives them a chance at redemption, even though it's going to be an uphill struggle the entire way.
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ganonso
Compulsive Quest Starter
- Location
- PACA France
Ahrimal's Estate on the Moon: Angelic World of Briah
Would humanity ever build wonders such as this?
You are no stranger to luxury, your first cry was uttered in the furnaces of the Maker while the Fiat Lux' echoes sounded still. Then you were detached to the Sun and Alchemy division and shared your time between palaces of living light and laboratory of auspicious metals. Few angels' workplaces are ugly or even plain as your kin construct their environment as readily as they designed Assiah.
But here in the estate of a luminary of the Fourth House, words nearly fall you as your eyes fall upon wonders on wonders.
On a layer of reality, the walls are constructed of pure starlight with rooms that can house the whole hosts decorated with abstract frescoes based on mathematical abstractions. You marvel at the designs, some symmetrical to the molecule, others wondrously chaotic. The word is that in Ahrimal's palace, every Pattern watched over by a Ninsun of the Fourth House is depicted in some form or another.
On another layer, the building is a song, a mournful serenade breaking itself in endless variations.
On yet another, it is a living thing whose spirit is awakened and nurtured to look to the stars like its master does.
If the building is wondrous, befitting a high seer, the assembly gathered in these rooms is more wondrous still. Angels of every rank and every House mingle together, dancing and singing as if that was some great feast. Your own colleagues, the Virtue of the Black Work, the Throne of the Setting Sun, even the Cherub of the Opus Magnum and many others are there. In a corner near the central area, you see the seventy-eight Ninsun of the Basanoï and their mates whispering to one another. In another area you can see a group of Reapers nervously waiting for something.
However the jewel of this assembly is the four figures that dance around each other, trying to understanding their respective point of view. You recognize the debaters as soon as you see them: Your host Ahrimal, an ever-shifting rune, Belial the Virtue of Boundless Deep crowned with nacre and coral, Laila the Defender that makes all other things fairer by her presence and Usiel the Throne of the Sundered, powerful potentate of the Second World.
Even after millenias you can still hear their arguments.
Ahrimal
I, and others seers of my House, have seen darkness on the horizon and a great changing of the world. My superiors refuse to listen to me and assure me all the variables are accounted for. I've called all the angels I could to debate this question and, with the help of my fellows of the Fourth, cast a Great Prophecy to try to see clearer.
Belial
We must act, for if darkness comes for humanity in their present state, they could not resist it. Many are the dangers and beings imprisoned in our univers or whispering at the edge of Creation, we cannot trust we will be ever vigilant in our watch. We must reveal ourselves to humanity to make protecting them easier.
Usiel
We cannot know the mind of our Maker. If he assures us all is well, who are we to disagree? Our kindness could bear bitter fruits in the future if we transgress against one of His commands. I will not risk opening death to mankind without knowing first what threatens them.
Laila
Besideswho could predict the effect of revelation? After all nothing tells us Adam and Eve are built to resist our radiance. Perhaps we will warp them and make them other like it happened to Lilith in the first time. Our first error created so much sorrow, what could the second one bring?
After the debate, all congregants accepted to let Ahrimal and the others seers present cast a last time their eyes on the sea of futures. They proposed to link you to the matrix, letting you see by their eyes. They proposed this to all angels.
Do you want to experience the Great Prophecy?
Would humanity ever build wonders such as this?
You are no stranger to luxury, your first cry was uttered in the furnaces of the Maker while the Fiat Lux' echoes sounded still. Then you were detached to the Sun and Alchemy division and shared your time between palaces of living light and laboratory of auspicious metals. Few angels' workplaces are ugly or even plain as your kin construct their environment as readily as they designed Assiah.
But here in the estate of a luminary of the Fourth House, words nearly fall you as your eyes fall upon wonders on wonders.
On a layer of reality, the walls are constructed of pure starlight with rooms that can house the whole hosts decorated with abstract frescoes based on mathematical abstractions. You marvel at the designs, some symmetrical to the molecule, others wondrously chaotic. The word is that in Ahrimal's palace, every Pattern watched over by a Ninsun of the Fourth House is depicted in some form or another.
On another layer, the building is a song, a mournful serenade breaking itself in endless variations.
On yet another, it is a living thing whose spirit is awakened and nurtured to look to the stars like its master does.
If the building is wondrous, befitting a high seer, the assembly gathered in these rooms is more wondrous still. Angels of every rank and every House mingle together, dancing and singing as if that was some great feast. Your own colleagues, the Virtue of the Black Work, the Throne of the Setting Sun, even the Cherub of the Opus Magnum and many others are there. In a corner near the central area, you see the seventy-eight Ninsun of the Basanoï and their mates whispering to one another. In another area you can see a group of Reapers nervously waiting for something.
However the jewel of this assembly is the four figures that dance around each other, trying to understanding their respective point of view. You recognize the debaters as soon as you see them: Your host Ahrimal, an ever-shifting rune, Belial the Virtue of Boundless Deep crowned with nacre and coral, Laila the Defender that makes all other things fairer by her presence and Usiel the Throne of the Sundered, powerful potentate of the Second World.
Even after millenias you can still hear their arguments.
Ahrimal
I, and others seers of my House, have seen darkness on the horizon and a great changing of the world. My superiors refuse to listen to me and assure me all the variables are accounted for. I've called all the angels I could to debate this question and, with the help of my fellows of the Fourth, cast a Great Prophecy to try to see clearer.
Belial
We must act, for if darkness comes for humanity in their present state, they could not resist it. Many are the dangers and beings imprisoned in our univers or whispering at the edge of Creation, we cannot trust we will be ever vigilant in our watch. We must reveal ourselves to humanity to make protecting them easier.
Usiel
We cannot know the mind of our Maker. If he assures us all is well, who are we to disagree? Our kindness could bear bitter fruits in the future if we transgress against one of His commands. I will not risk opening death to mankind without knowing first what threatens them.
Laila
Besideswho could predict the effect of revelation? After all nothing tells us Adam and Eve are built to resist our radiance. Perhaps we will warp them and make them other like it happened to Lilith in the first time. Our first error created so much sorrow, what could the second one bring?
After the debate, all congregants accepted to let Ahrimal and the others seers present cast a last time their eyes on the sea of futures. They proposed to link you to the matrix, letting you see by their eyes. They proposed this to all angels.
Do you want to experience the Great Prophecy?
So is the God Machine a thing? Because, I hate the God Machine.