The Three-Headed Dragon: A Viserys Targaryen Quest Continuation [abandoned]

[Alexander Sturnn]

@Marlowe310811, couple Questions here.

1. How much Stewardship does Tyrion have? If I recall correctly, Tywin actually gave him a higher Position in Casterly Rock this time around then being in Charge of the Sewers, so maybe he's better at it then in Canon.

2. Would Dany right now be accepted as a Member of the Council?

3. What does Sandor think of working with us? My Guess is he doesn't particularly care who he works for, but I still wanted to ask.

4. Would, potentially, anyone object to Beshka getting a Job like King's Justice?

 

[Themarineguy]

1. How much Stewardship does Tyrion have? If I recall correctly, Tywin actually gave him a higher Position in Casterly Rock this time around then being in Charge of the Sewers, so maybe he's better at it then in Canon.

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Though since Jamie is going to likely be retiring from his position, he might become lord of Casterly Rock...

 

[Elder Haman]

Sigh... I'm going to have to read the ending of the last quest to make any sense of what to do. Oh well, I'll start off by giving my thoughts without going into who fought for who or who deserves a reward.

[ ] Areas of the Dornish Marches will be removed from the jurisdiction of the Reach and added to Dorne and/or the Stormlands.
[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
-[ ] Randyll Tarly
-[ ] Gerold Grafton
-[ ] Harrold Hardyng
-[ ] Ilyn Payne
-[ ] Courtnay Penrose
-[ ] Mandon Moore
-[ ] Write-in
[ ] A highborn hostage will be sent to the Red Keep (Write-in)
[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
[ ] A significant amount of ships and material will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (Royal Fleet & Red Keep Garrison become Full Strength)
[ ] The hostages Robert took from across the Seven Kingdoms will remain in King's Landing for one year, to give the new King an opportunity to get to know the future lords of the realm
[ ] Write-in other terms.

*[the term "belligerent lords/commanders" does not give you an end-run around the Lords Paramount keeping their positions, and the results of this may vary. For instance, sending up Ser Tommen of House Selleck, an upstart in the Reach (with a respectable moustache) that got their lands and titles within living memory, probably no one bats an eye; sending up Randyll Tarly (or a son of his) an old and influential but not Great House, would be seen as a dick move but not grounds for fresh revolt in itself; trying to send Leyton Hightower or his immediate heir Baelor would go disastrously for you...partly because they rather quickly took your side in things, but also because of the size and importance of their house.]

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The first item on the list will greatly anger Reachmen, not just the Tyrells, Reachmen in particular. On the other hand if the Reach is irreconcilable, then perhaps weakening them is a good idea. Need to know more about the situation, but leaning against it. I'd rather look at reversing the special deals the Tyrells made with Robert for their loans. That would not upset Reachmen in general, and go a long way towards resetting the power balance with the Tyrells. @Marlowe310811 Would something along those lines be an acceptable write in?

The second item has a second effect of potentially adding to the strength on the Wall in addition to removing potential hotheads and trouble makers. Randyll Tarly whatever you might say about him is a great war commander, and so ought to be useful to the Wall. I'll need to read more of what happened inthe other quest to think about who we should send, but I think it important to realize that sending men to the Wall not only weakens potential enemies, but strengthens an important asset, the Nights Watch.

A highborn hostage... @Marlowe310811 Is that one hostage per a Great House that opposed us? Might be useful, have to think carefully on it.

The Gold and Silver and the Ships and Material are pretty plain enough in their benefits. The hostages Robert took and keeping them for one year essentially buys us some time, in case we are going todo things that will reconcile others to us. On the other hand, if we are going to be shaking things up, then maybe we want something more permanent in security.

[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
-[ ] Stannis Baratheon (Diplomacy 7)
-[ ] Eddard Stark (Diplomacy 17)
-[ ] Raymun Darry (Diplomacy 16)
-[ ] Yohn Royce (Diplomacy 15)
-[ ] Write-in
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councilor
--[ ] Edmure Tully (Diplomacy 14)
--[ ] Daenerys Targaryen (Diplomacy 26)
--[ ] Write-in

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Daenerys has the best stats, and at 13 is technically old enough in Westeros to start being trusted with power. Though that would usually not be something as powerful as the Master of Laws. Perhaps the best solution would be to appoint someone to the role who doesn't want to stay in King's Landing forever, and would take Daenarys under their wing as someone to train for the position. Someone like say... Ned Stark? Who probably doesn't want to leave Winterfell, but could probably take on the role for five years, during which he would train Daenarys for the role? That might be something to discuss with him, and since Ned Stark is the second best at Diplomacy it won't be messing up our stats either.

[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
-[ ] Gerion Lannister (Stewardship 13)
-[ ] Harry Strickland (Stewardship 17)
-[ ] Mace Tyrell (Stewardship 10)
-[ ] Selwyn Tarth (Stewardship 15)
-[ ] Write-in
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councilor
--[ ] Arianne Martell (Stewardship 16)
--[ ] Olenna Tyrell (Stewardship 18)
--[ ] Write-in

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So this is one of the few area that a Shadow Councilor might work, if we appoint Mace Tyrell as Master of Coin and make Olenna the Shadow Councilor... well, it'd be hard for Mace to complain about his mother usurping his authority. So if we want an olive branch to the Reach there you go... The Reach is powerful, so making peace with them is important. Of course, what happens when Olenna dies is another question. Although Mace does have an uncle, Garth the Gross, who is supposed to be good at stewardship. He's Mace's steward...

Of course we could just appoint Garth the Gross in the first place... Mace would be flattered by it, while we'd be depriving him his own asset.

Harry Strickland is with the Golden Company isn't he? That might be an important constituancy to rewards.

[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
-[ ] Oberyn Martell (Intrigue 17)
-[ ] Arianne Martell (Intrigue 19)
-[ ] Jorah Mormont (Intrigue 12)
-[ ] Garret of Saltpans (Intrigue 13)
-[ ] Write-in
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councillor
--[ ] Write-in

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I think appointing a Martell is obvious here. We need someone both skilled and loyal in this position.

[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
-[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councillor
--[ ] Tyrion Lannister (Learning 20)
--[ ] Qyburn (Learning 20)
--[ ] Arianne Martell (Learning 19)
--[ ] Write-in

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I think the way to go here is that rather establishing a shadow councilor, here we establish a subcommittee for Learning issues. Something about the need to research dragonlore being important, and well, why not have them handle all the other Learning related issues/actions as well? And then we appoint a bunch of smart people to the standing subcommittee with them calling in other members of the small council or other advisors when they need particular expertise. The Grand Maester will likely approve of this, as it seems an obvious way for the Maesters to gain more influence, but it would also effectively make the Grand Maester the liaison between the subcommitte and the small council rather than all learning actions coming under his direct preview.

[Your Martial advisor is a special case. Since there is not a specific council seat devoted to the realm's armies, what I'm going to do is have you select the rest of the council members and then choose which one you want to be the Martial advisor. Or you can create an entirely new seat, the Master of War, though this will cause traditionalists to sigh and grumble about the Small Council not having the auspicious number of 7 anymore.]

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Really... we could always claim that the Hand the One to the Small Council's Seven. But whatever, we can also think about who can provide good martial advice.

[ ] Hand of the King
-[ ] Eddard Stark
-[ ] Jaime Lannister
-[ ] Jon Connington
-[ ] Oberyn Martell
-[ ] Stannis Baratheon
-[ ] Brynden Tully
-[ ] Write-in

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This is probably the most important position to think about. We need someone who works well with us, is effective, and won't work at cross purposes with us. I'll have to look more closely at each of the possibilities, but many of them excel at one or two of the those items, but not all three. Eddard Stark is probably the closest to being decent in all three categories. Stannis would be a difficult choice, he'd probably be effective, but I think we'd have a lot of conflict with him. On the other hand Stannis is very loyal... I'll have to read how he and Viserys interact in the last quest but leaning against it for right now.

Brynden Tully? What is his relationship with Viserys?

[ ] Master of Ships
-[ ] Rodrik Harlaw (Martial 17)
-[ ] Aurane Waters (Martial 15)
-[ ] Wylis Manderly (Martial 12)
-[ ] Alester Florent (Martial 14)
-[ ] Write-in

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So I feel this one is a position where rewards and leal service might come into play. Also, no Velaryions? Did they not survive the Dragon's Screams or something? Because they are the traditional Master of Ships.

[ ] Lord Commander of the Kingsguard
-[X] Barristan Selmy (Martial 20) [Remember that you cannot easily dismiss a Kingsguard without their consent, because Joffrey/Cersei hasn't set the precedent. He was, however, technically a belligerent commander on the Crown's side...]

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Well, that because the traditional way to deal with a Kingsguard that fought for the opposing side is to shorten them by a head. You don't usually accept bodyguards who fought for the enemy. We might be able to change that to send Selmy to the Wall, that might be enough within tradition. Of course, no one want to lose Barristan and that sweet +20 Martial, but I'll have to review the events of the civil war to decide for sure what to do.

Also, what is his position on us? Barristan is rather frank and up front, so, I'd probably take him at his word. @Marlowe310811 What is Barristan Selmy's attitude and position about us and our sister?

[ ] the Hand of the King
[ ] the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard
[ ] the Master of Ships
[ ] the Master of War
-[ ] Eddard Stark (Martial 18)
-[ ] Jon Connington (Martial 18)
-[ ] Oberyn Martell (Martial 17)
-[ ] Stannis Baratheon (Martial 21)
-[ ] Brynden Tully (Martial 19)
-[ ] Write-in

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Looks like this might be the best place to put Stannis Baratheon.

[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
-[ ] Janos Slynt is who holds the office now, a man who is rather brazenly for sale despite his pretensions at honour and decency. Formerly a pet of Queen Cersei, he is in the market for a new patron and will do pretty much whatever he's told, so long as it doesn't involve actually being the upright and uncorrupted leader he pretends to be.
-[ ] Jacelyn Bywater is an officer in the goldcloaks, who served with distinction (but not infamy or cruelty) during the Kraken's Folly. Losing a hand in the rebellion, he was knighted for his troubles and has since served ably in the City Watch, yet has not advanced through the ranks nor gained loyalty from many goldcloaks. Privately, you confirm that this is because he is not on board with extortionate bribery or wanton cruelty, and because Commander Slynt rather openly despises him.
-[ ] Aegon Targaryen is a young and unproven man, but one of unquestionable loyalty. He was raised to lead armies and manage realms, so a watch and a city should theoretically be no great test of his abilities. You are quite certain that he's learned things from his time with Lord Stannis, though time will tell what it is he learned.
-[ ] Davos Seaworth would be an unconventional choice, to say the least. A native of King's Landing, he is familiar with both sides of the law here, and is a loyal lieutenant of Stannis Baratheon. Older than the other options, he is still quite competent at management from what you can tell, and anyone who has spent as long as him on the seas has to be able to swing a sword properly.
-[ ] Write-in

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No to the Janos Slynt. Bywater is a relatively safe choice. Ageon might not be a bad idea, to bring the Goldcloaks (the largest armed force inside the city walls) back under family management. Davos... Davos commanding the City Watch? That would be interesting... Have to think about this one. I'd kind of like to give the three of them a job interview, just to see what their various ideas would be on the matter.

[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep (not a Small Council seat, but a position of prestige and importance)
-[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost his dominant sword hand, but has been a long and loyal servant to you, and was specifically injured in your service. You could grant him some lands and a keep and offer him a retirement, or you could keep him close at hand (keeping such puns to a minimum within earshot) and reward him in another way.
-[ ] Jory Cassel is the nephew of Ned Stark's master-at-arms, and has more or less been trained for the role since he was ten. While neither a knight nor a man of the Faith, he served you and Lord Stark well during the war, and unlike Kingsguard positions this is not a life appointment, so he could return home when he wished.
-[ ] Harras Harlaw is a rare man, indeed; an Ironborn knight, albeit one who keeps to the Drowned God instead of the Seven. Naming him to the position would be mildly controversial given his god and his heritage, but he is undoubtedly competent as a leader of men and as a fierce warrior himself. It would also be a good gesture to House Harlaw and the Iron Islands.
-[ ] Bonifer Hasty is a somewhat older knight of the Stormlands, who apparently was once close with your mother, and more recently did not involve himself in the war, except to protect smallfolk from predation from either side. Appointing him would be seen as a move of reconciliation towards Stormlanders not named Connington or Baratheon, would please the Faithful, and he'd possibly be someone to talk to about your mother.
-[ ] Write-in

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Interesting, I though Harras Harlaw was a knight of the Seven?

But bonifer Hasty is probably the best choice here. Not only for our mother's sake, but it would be a good way to reassure the Faith of the Seven, and that might be something we rarely have the opportunity to do. It also says something about what we think the duty of the knight is - protecting smallfolk.

[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
-[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.
-[ ] Sandor Clegane remained in the city, apparently, and has no qualms about killing people he's told to. Considering who may be in the Black Cells in the near future, he would probably jump at the opportunity.
-[ ] Beshka the Basilisk is currently on a ship from Dorne with the majority of your family, but will arrive well in time to take such a job. She is an unconventional option, but she's loyal, intimidating, and cares strongly about justice.
-[ ] Richard Horpe is a servant of Lord Stannis, who was once passed over for a white cloak because of Cersei Lannister. Stannis privately confides that may have been wise, as Ser Richard is "too fond of killing."
-[ ] Write-in

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Does Warrek want to be an executioner? Have to think about this one.

The Tyrell's were on the losing side though. I love Olenna but not sure they should be rewarded with a council position. Also @Marlowe310811 did Tywin end up going on trial?

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IC they were suggested by Gerion and Edmure for the Small Council as a 'Westerosi equivalent of an olive branch'. No one will be surprised or upset if they aren't asked (besides perhaps Lord Mace, who is quite confident his Stewardship ranks in the high 20s).

Lord Jaime has not yet returned from the Westerlands. His major remaining family members intend to accompany him for the coronation, including Tywin, who is quite certain that the coronation and his impending Small Council seat are the reasons he's coming along. Lord Jaime has not said anything to correct this impression.

EDIT: technically, you would be entirely within your rights to name Tywin to the Small Council. He does not lack for impressive stats.

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Heh... Tywin would have amazing stats... though I think perhaps the Wall could use those impressive stats.

I think we should make Dany master of laws. She has diplomacy 26 and more importantly has a dragon which negates the whole "but you're a woman" problem- nothing equalizes the sexes like fire breathing monsters!

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She's also a Targaryan, that means normal rules don't apply to her. The issue is not her sex, it's her age.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

So I feel this one is a position where rewards and leal service might come into play. Also, no Velaryions? Did they not survive the Dragon's Screams or something? Because they are the traditional Master of Ships.

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If I remember correctly, Lord Monford died buying his Family time to flee during the Screams. Aurane, his other half-brother and their Nephew went to join us in Essos, leading those who had fled from the Screams.

 

[Stardust&Scotch]

If I remember correctly, Lord Monford died buying his Family time to flee during the Screams. Aurane, his other half-brother and their Nephew went to join us in Essos, leading those who had fled from the Screams.

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Correct; Aurane Waters is the oldest of them, and acted as an admiral in the Restoration, leading the exiles that retook Driftmark and Dragonstone from Robert's occupying forces. The legitimate Velaryons are younger and inexperienced, hence the lack of selection from them. As a group, they're very fond of their half-uncle and would be pleased and proud to have him serve the King's Small Council while the new Lord Velaryon works to rebuild their home on Driftmark.

@Marlowe310811, couple Questions here.

1. How much Stewardship does Tyrion have? If I recall correctly, Tywin actually gave him a higher Position in Casterly Rock this time around then being in Charge of the Sewers, so maybe he's better at it then in Canon.

2. Would Dany right now be accepted as a Member of the Council?

3. What does Sandor think of working with us? My Guess is he doesn't particularly care who he works for, but I still wanted to ask.

4. Would, potentially, anyone object to Beshka getting a Job like King's Justice?

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1. Tyrion has a Stewardship of 15. He's not particularly better at it than canon (although he was definitely fine -- Learning and Diplomacy are his top stats overall), but Tywin made him steward because, and he would actually murder anyone who dared suggest this aloud, he was reluctantly hedging his bets, given the possibility that Jaime might never return from Essos, one way or another. So, if Tyrion managed to handle the task with something other than complete riot and disorder, Tywin would have considered very slight, very gradual increases in responsibility to repeatedly test if Tyrion could be shaped into a passable Lord. If not of Casterly Rock, then at least not an active blight on the family name. He'd rather be eaten by a dragon than ever admit it even inside his own head, but in the darkest and quietest of corners in his mind, Tywin started to consider the possibility that Genna was right about Tyrion.
2. As an actual member of the Council, not a chance. Not unless the rest of your Council was comprised of Mormonts and the Dornish, and even then they'd raise an eyebrow at someone so young being given such responsibility. As a Shadow Councillor, possibly -- it would depend on how observant and intelligent your de jure Council member she'd be undercutting was (Mace the Ace would definitely not notice, and Stannis would, for examples). The reason she appears on the Shadow list at all is because of her ridiculous abilities to read people and charm them. As an actual Council member, she'd face serious maluses to her Diplomacy rolls given the attitudes of people she'd be forced to work with. I'll allow it if it's what people really want, but there are always consequences to decisions.
3. In between bites of chicken and swigs of wine, Sandor Clegane manages to be articulate enough to make clear he doesn't really give a fuck. A job's a job. Although, as the King's Justice (a bit of a gaoler and an executioner) this time he'd actually be allowed to hit the mouthy shits he's ordered to be minding, so that holds some appeal after the last few years. And he would be very interested in the job if Gregor Clegane was for some reason going to be thrown into the Black Cells.
4. People like Randyll Tarly, the staunchest of traditionalists and loudest of misogynists, would complain -- a noisy but tiny minority. But most people would just go "huh", figure the reason was a combination of her being a trained killer in Essos and you being slightly influenced by your Dornish wife, and move on with their day. Minor stuff like that isn't going to get as much pushback as, say, trying to make Dany your Master of Laws, or put her into the line of succession. Which. You can do, I wouldn't stop you. Just, as previously said, there are consequences for decisions.

Harry, we owe you... but we also paid you 5 mil to fight for us in the last quest.

So, no.

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I forgot to respond to this last post, so I wanted to add: Harry Strickland is canonically known as an expert with coin and payroll in the Golden Company, so it would certainly be the best of places to stick him on the Council if you wanted to reward him and the Golden Company that way. Of course, he's no Mace Tyrell, but who is?

Excuse me @Marlowe310811 did you just reference Harran from that space battles Warhammer fantasy and GOT crossover quest

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Ummm...no? I've never seen/heard of that. Might have to peek at it later. No, I think you're thinking of a reference I made in-story to Harren Hoare, aka Harren the Black, the man who created Harrenhal, and burned with it when he rolled a nat1 on his Insight check against Aegon the Conqueror.

 

[Elder Haman]

As an actual member of the Council, not a chance. Not unless the rest of your Council was comprised of Mormonts and the Dornish, and even then they'd raise an eyebrow at someone so young being given such responsibility. As a Shadow Councillor, possibly -- it would depend on how observant and intelligent your de jure Council member she'd be undercutting was (Mace the Ace would definitely not notice, and Stannis would, for examples). The reason she appears on the Shadow list at all is because of her ridiculous abilities to read people and charm them. As an actual Council member, she'd face serious maluses to her Diplomacy rolls given the attitudes of people she'd be forced to work with. I'll allow it if it's what people really want, but there are always consequences to decisions.

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What is Ned Stark's thoughts on serving on the Small Council? Does he want to go back to Winterfell?

If so, what would he think of being our Master of Laws and training Dany to take his place in say... 5 years?

I'm asking because that would be a way to reward Ned Stark but not lock him into staying in King's Landing forever (which I suspect he might not want) while also setting up Dany to take a place on the Small Council eventually - and I must assume that the things Dany lacks in Diplomacy (knowledge of the laws of Westeros and the various customs and expectations) are things that Ned Stark is likely to know. So if seems like a reasonable way to approach it.

Plus asking Ned Stark to train Dany is another, even larger gesture of trust. No one will think Ned Stark or the North was slighted when Ned Stark decides it's time to go back to The North and leave the Master of Laws in the hands of his trained protege.

I forgot to respond to this last post, so I wanted to add: Harry Strickland is canonically known as an expert with coin and payroll in the Golden Company, so it would certainly be the best of places to stick him on the Council if you wanted to reward him and the Golden Company that way. Of course, he's no Mace Tyrell, but who is?

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Is the Golden Company expecting anything in the ways of lands, etc for the various exiles returning home? I know that was a major motive in canon, so I'm wondering if that is somewhat expected here?

 

[stuckunderwater]

What is Ned Stark's thoughts on serving on the Small Council? Does he want to go back to Winterfell?

If so, what would he think of being our Master of Laws and training Dany to take his place in say... 5 years?

Is the Golden Company expecting anything in the ways of lands, etc for the various exiles returning home? I know that was a major motive in canon, so I'm wondering if that is somewhat expected here?

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The Ned here actively got involved in Southern politics before our prompting, but only because he saw the dark path that Robert was going down. He's much more competent though and probably wants to keep an eye on us for a bit. I think him being Master of Laws and training his replacement to be honorable and serve well would be a good match.

I believe we did promise the Golden Company some amount of lands, etc but we mostly bought them with money. So some rewards for the leaders might be in order (example, making Harry Strickland a member of the Small Council). They are in the end loyal to Aegon so if we keep Aegon loyal they will be loyal. Aegon doesn't want to be King, but he does want to figure out his place in the world.

 

[Shapeless Phobos]

So, some thoughts:

[ ] Areas of the Dornish Marches will be removed from the jurisdiction of the Reach and added to Dorne and/or the Stormlands.

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I'm actually kind of digging this. It weakens one of our chief enemies while strengthening one of our chief allies. Long-term it'll make the Reach much less of a Kingmaker through sheer manpower, basically ensure something closer to a balance of power. The biggest issue with this though is that the Reach Marcher Lords hate their opposite numbers in the Stormlands and the Dornish with a passion hot enough to make even a Dornishman sweat.

Two ways we could get around this would to be to: a.) Send the most truculent Lords like Randyll Tarly to the Wall and/or have the kids fostered at Sunspear/Storm's End. Or b.) Place the whole area under direct Crown rule so that if any side attacks the other they'd also have to go through the Southern Crownlands...which risks Waking the Dragon. Summerhall is in the Marches IIRC so that might work as a 'capital' of sorts. It means cutting the Stormlands down a little but just hand a equal slice of the Marches back to keep them happy.

[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *

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This one doesn't really appeal as much except to aid in the previous ideas. The only ones I think may actually deserve the fate are Randyll Tarly, Ilyn Payne and Mandon Moore...and the latter two mainly depends on what they got up to in the Dragon's Screams. Harrold I haven't got a clue if he did anything, he's kind of young still and Gerold Grafton was a Targ loyalist who only bent the knee when his city was wrecked in. Would leave a bad taste in the mouth since we worked with outright rebels and Kingslayers.

[ ] A highborn hostage will be sent to the Red Keep (Write-in)

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The only person I can think of for this is Robert Arryn...who isn't the person he was from canon so Lysa's influence isn't as big a deal as it would be otherwise. Especially if Jon Arryn is there 24/7 and not working himself to the bone keeping the Realm together. Still might be worth looking into in case Littlefinger is hoping to keep playing the game.

[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
[ ] A significant amount of ships and material will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (Royal Fleet & Red Keep Garrison become Full Strength)

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These are just nice in general.

[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)

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I kind of view whoever takes up this place as a placeholder until Dany is old enough not to cause a stink. So maybe we should choose Yohn Royce to start rebuilding ties with the Vale? He's also a little on the older side so he may not hold onto the position too long anyways.

[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)

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I'm leaning Harry Strickland for this one. Putting Mace in with Olenna as his Shadow seems like it's just asking for the Tyrells to try and pull a new grift on us just as we're about to put an end to their old one.

[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)

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This position is almost as important as the Hand slot since they control almost all the info we get. Thankfully our own high stat for this means we don't really need the best...though the Martells are the best and there's two to choose from!

[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)

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This one I may not be against assigning a shadow councilor for...depending on how Jacaerys feels about it. I'd lean Tyrion mostly because Qyburn isn't quite known enough to be put into the inner circle I think.

[ ] Hand of the King

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I'm...not really sure what this one does...mechanically speaking. Just based on the people themselves I'd push for either Ned or JonCon.

[ ] Master of Ships

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I'm leaning Harlaw even if Aurane has more 'claim' to the slot through family connections. Both of their homes need rebuilding but on Aurane's side of things there are more young people involved. Rodrik still has Asha...who was IIRC in Dorne...hmm. Or was she one of the hostages of Robert?

[ ] Lord Commander of the Kingsguard
-[X] Barristan Selmy (Martial 20) [Remember that you cannot easily dismiss a Kingsguard without their consent, because Joffrey/Cersei hasn't set the precedent. He was, however, technically a belligerent commander on the Crown's side...]

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For now Barry...don't get comfy in that Lord Commander slot.

Your Martial advisor will be:

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Not sure on this one, leaning on just leaving this for the Hand to keep things thematic and not to ruffle too many feathers. Though maybe if we make Bonifer Master at Arms we could get away with it?

Except wanting Aegon as LC of the City Watch I'm not too picky on the rest of the positions.

 

[Themarineguy]

This one I may not be against assigning a shadow councilor for...depending on how Jacaerys feels about it. I'd lean Tyrion mostly because Qyburn isn't quite known enough to be put into the inner circle I think.

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On the other hand, we got a crit for our learning advisor, so well, 20 learning might not be enough to be better than their choice, so... 🤷‍♂️

 

[Vocalist]

Oof, this is a lot. I'm gonna have to sleep on this. But, quickly, I just want to say:

You clarify. "How's your other hand work for you? Please, old friend, speak plain."

It looks like Warrek is trying to gauge if you're serious, for a second, before he seems to decide either you are, or he doesn't care if you're not. "My left works like it's run by a council of Reacher lords. Good for flowery presentation, putting on clothes, and fuck-all else."

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Laughed out loud! I've always had a soft spot for jokes based on regional stereotypes.

 

[Stardust&Scotch]

Sigh... I'm going to have to read the ending of the last quest to make any sense of what to do. Oh well, I'll start off by giving my thoughts without going into who fought for who or who deserves a reward.

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I really do need to get that damned recap finished. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow.

The first item on the list will greatly anger Reachmen, not just the Tyrells, Reachmen in particular. On the other hand if the Reach is irreconcilable, then perhaps weakening them is a good idea. Need to know more about the situation, but leaning against it. I'd rather look at reversing the special deals the Tyrells made with Robert for their loans. That would not upset Reachmen in general, and go a long way towards resetting the power balance with the Tyrells. @Marlowe310811 Would something along those lines be an acceptable write in?

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There aren't really any specific deals the Tyrells made -- just that they arranged the terms of the loan repayment in such a way that between the schedule of repayment and interest on the loan, they get paid back almost every copper they pay into the realm's taxes. Renegotiating the loans isn't impossible, but it would mean going up against Lady Olenna in negotiations.

On the other hand, some Reachmen would be angered by having parts of the Marches redistributed ... but less than you'd think, because the war effort resulted in the Marcher lords largely being wiped out. There are more Golden Company men with Reacher names to a given house than there are legitimate Westeros-born heirs left to that house, when there are heirs left at all.

A highborn hostage... @Marlowe310811 Is that one hostage per a Great House that opposed us? Might be useful, have to think carefully on it.

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Just one Great House. You could burn two slots for two hostages, but the realm just endured Robert taking hostages from almost every major family, and such a similar act from Viserys would make the highborn very uneasy.

So this is one of the few area that a Shadow Councilor might work, if we appoint Mace Tyrell as Master of Coin and make Olenna the Shadow Councilor... well, it'd be hard for Mace to complain about his mother usurping his authority. So if we want an olive branch to the Reach there you go... The Reach is powerful, so making peace with them is important. Of course, what happens when Olenna dies is another question. Although Mace does have an uncle, Garth the Gross, who is supposed to be good at stewardship. He's Mace's steward...

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...I mean. In general I had considered just doing the occasional rolls to see if a person died before their canon-appointed time, but given my OOC fondness for Olenna and how much she reminds me at times of certain monarchs, I'm making an executive decree that unless someone actively tries to kill her (if you want to poison her, for instance) Olenna will easily see her 90th nameday, and be making witty and acidic comments on it without missing a step.

Brynden Tully? What is his relationship with Viserys?

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Nothing of particular note. They've met, Viserys respects the man's skills and blunt honesty, Brynden respects the king's cunning and audacity, and Brynden would likely leap at the slightest of excuses to not have to go home and listen to Hoster's latest iteration of his List of Eligible and Suitable Bachelorettes.

Of course, no one want to lose Barristan and that sweet +20 Martial, but I'll have to review the events of the civil war to decide for sure what to do.

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*quietly glances at Jaime's sheet*

what is his position on us? Barristan is rather frank and up front, so, I'd probably take him at his word. @Marlowe310811 What is Barristan Selmy's attitude and position about us and our sister?

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Ser Barristan is a man completely and totally committed to his oaths -- he serves the King, but since reluctantly dealing with Aerys and Robert, he thinks of it more as serving the office rather than individual men. Despite recovering from an injury sustained at the Trident, he dutifully and respectfully serves you, and will unto your death or his, and feels the same way about Aegon, the heir presumptive ... though he's relieved to be serving you rather than his previous two kings. On the other hand, he's very taken with Dany, though he takes pains to avoid being the one guarding her, because looking at her and listening to her reminds him powerfully and painfully of Rhaegar. In this universe, Dany's become a poet and musician and a gifted speaker, so the spiritual resemblance is far more painful than the physical resemblance you and Aegon present.

Does Warrek want to be an executioner? Have to think about this one.

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Warrek is a faithful servant of the king, and will do his best to serve however he is asked to. He isn't specifically seeking the office (or the other, for that matter) but he isn't opposed to it.

What is Ned Stark's thoughts on serving on the Small Council? Does he want to go back to Winterfell?

If so, what would he think of being our Master of Laws and training Dany to take his place in say... 5 years?

I'm asking because that would be a way to reward Ned Stark but not lock him into staying in King's Landing forever (which I suspect he might not want) while also setting up Dany to take a place on the Small Council eventually - and I must assume that the things Dany lacks in Diplomacy (knowledge of the laws of Westeros and the various customs and expectations) are things that Ned Stark is likely to know. So if seems like a reasonable way to approach it.

Plus asking Ned Stark to train Dany is another, even larger gesture of trust. No one will think Ned Stark or the North was slighted when Ned Stark decides it's time to go back to The North and leave the Master of Laws in the hands of his trained protege.

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Ned would like to go home, yes. Not least because he's spent the last several years crafting a sprawling infrastructure and economy in the North that could see them rival the Reach one day in economic muscle, and that requires a lot of management. But he's spent the last few years acting as a de facto Hand for Viserys' interests, especially in the North, and he would serve for at least a little while if it were asked of him. If presented with that specific idea, though ... he would have grave concerns. While he would not find it a bridge too far to have Arianne take up Whispers (as that's generally viewed as a less honourable position and not necessarily a field for noblemen) he thinks that the realm is far from ready to have a woman, let alone a Targaryen princess, taking a seat as Master of Laws. If ordered, he'll do it, and do his best. But he cautions you that this will mean a lot of work with Dany, and natural talents don't necessarily equate to suitability for a job.

Is the Golden Company expecting anything in the ways of lands, etc for the various exiles returning home? I know that was a major motive in canon, so I'm wondering if that is somewhat expected here?

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Well, as it's a scattered bunch of names, I'm not going to have you micromanage every little detail on that front, so suffice to say that the Company is settling nicely into the Marcher lands that have been depopulated, along with several Stormland houses, and a few enterprising souls have taken up the high-risk/low-taxes option of settling in the Gifts. They're mostly cooperating amongst themselves, so if one new lord isn't especially good at lordship he has neighbours who help him out. The Company's loyalty is largely to Aegon, Jon, and Harry, but there's not a one that has ill thoughts towards you, since you paid them quite handsomely to reclaim their homes and successfully did so.

 

[meri47]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, but possibly we could break the reach up into several smaller fiefdoms? We could justify it by saying that the Florents/Rowans/etc have as much right to be overlords as the Tyrells or somesuch due to their own connection to the Gardner kings.

 

[Stardust&Scotch]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, but possibly we could break the reach up into several smaller fiefdoms? We could justify it by saying that the Florents/Rowans/etc have as much right to be overlords as the Tyrells or somesuch due to their own connection to the Gardner kings.

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Transferring some of the Marches to Dorne or the Stormlands is about as far as land redistribution can go; the Tyrells are remaining as Lords Paramount of the Reach, and trying to balkanise the Reach would be viewed as an attempt to make an end-run around the condition of them maintaining paramountcy.

If in the future they tried their own Greyjoy Rebellion or something of equivalent "fuck you Iron Throne" levels of stupid, then punitive measures like balkanising the Reach will be on the table.

 

[Elder Haman]

There aren't really any specific deals the Tyrells made -- just that they arranged the terms of the loan repayment in such a way that between the schedule of repayment and interest on the loan, they get paid back almost every copper they pay into the realm's taxes. Renegotiating the loans isn't impossible, but it would mean going up against Lady Olenna in negotiations.

On the other hand, some Reachmen would be angered by having parts of the Marches redistributed ... but less than you'd think, because the war effort resulted in the Marcher lords largely being wiped out. There are more Golden Company men with Reacher names to a given house than there are legitimate Westeros-born heirs left to that house, when there are heirs left at all.

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So this has moved up from impossibly risky to a possibility, if we are okay with enduring hostility from the Tyrells instead of the Reach in general.

That said... perhaps we'd be better off leaving the Reach intact with the Marcher Lords essentially filled with new nobles who are more loyal to the Crown and the Targaryens rather than the Tyrells. That would be a way to shackle the Tyrells without obvious hostility.

 

[Vocalist]

Okay, here is my rough draft of a plan:
[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
-[ ] Randyll Tarly
-[ ] Someone else?
As a member of the Randyll Tarly Anti-Fan Club, I am very much in favor of making him take the black while we have the opportunity. It means we get to put his vaunted military skills to use against wildlings and White Walkers, without having to listen to his annoying whining every time we try to do something moderately liberal.
[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
[ ] The hostages Robert took from across the Seven Kingdoms will remain in King's Landing for one year, to give the new King an opportunity to get to know the future lords of the realm

[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
-[ ] Raymun Darry (Diplomacy 16)
-[ ] Yohn Royce (Diplomacy 15)
Someone nice, solid, and traditional who can take the position for a few years while we get Dany ready.

[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
-[ ] Mace Tyrell (Stewardship 10)
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councilor
--[ ] Olenna Tyrell (Stewardship 18)
Let's reconcile with the Reach. History has shown that they are perfectly content to throw their lot in with the new ruling order after being defeated.

[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
-[ ] Arianne Martell (Intrigue 19)

[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
-[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)

[ ] Hand of the King
-[ ] Jaime Lannister
[ ] Martial Advisor
-[ ] the Hand of the King

[ ] Master of Ships
-[ ] Aurane Waters (Martial 15)

[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
-[ ] Davos Seaworth

[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep
-[ ] Harras Harlaw
-[ ] Bonifer Hasty
I am torn between wanting to reward the Harlaws and wanting that sweet reminiscing about Queen Rhaella. @Marlowe310811 could these men also be appointed to the Kingsguard?

[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
-[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.
It is very important to me that someone who dispenses justice understands mercy and restraint. Vengeance and bloodthirst are very dangerous things to see in an officer of the law.

 

[Stardust&Scotch]

Okay, here is my rough draft of a plan:
[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
-[ ] Randyll Tarly
-[ ] Someone else?
As a member of the Randyll Tarly Anti-Fan Club, I am very much in favor of making him take the black while we have the opportunity. It means we get to put his vaunted military skills to use against wildlings and White Walkers, without having to listen to his annoying whining every time we try to do something moderately liberal.

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...I will admit to not being above dangling as bait something I really, really hope someone goes for.

Randyll might be one of my least favourite people in this universe, and this is a universe that includes Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger and the Boltons. So the idea of Ser Alliser getting to torment him instead of Sam is just *chef's kiss*

[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep
-[ ] Harras Harlaw
-[ ] Bonifer Hasty
I am torn between wanting to reward the Harlaws and wanting that sweet reminiscing about Queen Rhaella. @Marlowe310811 could these men also be appointed to the Kingsguard?

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Harlaw could; Hasty's getting a bit old for the job

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

Okay, here is my rough draft of a plan:
[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
-[ ] Randyll Tarly
-[ ] Someone else?
As a member of the Randyll Tarly Anti-Fan Club, I am very much in favor of making him take the black while we have the opportunity. It means we get to put his vaunted military skills to use against wildlings and White Walkers, without having to listen to his annoying whining every time we try to do something moderately liberal.
[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
[ ] The hostages Robert took from across the Seven Kingdoms will remain in King's Landing for one year, to give the new King an opportunity to get to know the future lords of the realm

[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
-[ ] Raymun Darry (Diplomacy 16)
-[ ] Yohn Royce (Diplomacy 15)
Someone nice, solid, and traditional who can take the position for a few years while we get Dany ready.

[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
-[ ] Mace Tyrell (Stewardship 10)
-[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councilor
--[ ] Olenna Tyrell (Stewardship 18)
Let's reconcile with the Reach. History has shown that they are perfectly content to throw their lot in with the new ruling order after being defeated.

[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
-[ ] Arianne Martell (Intrigue 19)

[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
-[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)

[ ] Hand of the King
-[ ] Jaime Lannister
[ ] Martial Advisor
-[ ] the Hand of the King

[ ] Master of Ships
-[ ] Aurane Waters (Martial 15)

[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
-[ ] Davos Seaworth

[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep
-[ ] Harras Harlaw
-[ ] Bonifer Hasty
I am torn between wanting to reward the Harlaws and wanting that sweet reminiscing about Queen Rhaella. @Marlowe310811 could these men also be appointed to the Kingsguard?

[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
-[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.
It is very important to me that someone who dispenses justice understands mercy and restraint. Vengeance and bloodthirst are very dangerous things to see in an officer of the law.

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I personally think Rodrick Harlaw is a better pick for Master of Ships.

 

[Elder Haman]

Randyll might be one of my least favourite people in this universe, and this is a universe that includes Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger and the Boltons. So the idea of Ser Alliser getting to torment him instead of Sam is just *chef's kiss*

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Randyll Tarly would not be tormented by Ser Allister. Ser Allister is assigned to train green boys, not skilled warriors like Lord Tarly.

If anything Randyll and Allister will probably become best buds. After all, they did fight together on the same side for the Mad King, so it's not like they have previous grievances. In fact, Tarly is very likely to become Lord Commander at some point.

 

[stuckunderwater]

Alternatively, if we don't want to make up with the Tyrells we could make Aegon our stewardship advisor. I just looked at his character sheet and he has 19 stewardship. Though we might want to just keep him as a general hero unit instead. I'm down for sending Tarly to the Wall though.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

...I mean. In general I had considered just doing the occasional rolls to see if a person died before their canon-appointed time, but given my OOC fondness for Olenna and how much she reminds me at times of certain monarchs, I'm making an executive decree that unless someone actively tries to kill her (if you want to poison her, for instance) Olenna will easily see her 90th nameday, and be making witty and acidic comments on it without missing a step.

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Come to think of it...what does the Queen of Thornes think of us? Beyond potential Ally or Threat to her Family I mean?

 

[Orumon27]

Come to think of it...what does the Queen of Thornes think of us? Beyond potential Ally or Threat to her Family I mean?

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Given how we've never met her, I suspect that the QM has to keep that information from us until we actively investigate.

 

[Elder Haman]

Alright, so I skimmed through the last quest. Not enough to truly know who is who in the long list of enemies and supporters.

But enough to know that we did make one major promise to Jaime that we have to fulfill, which was to make him Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Though he might accept being appointed Kingsguard and waiting for Barristan to die before advancing.

We also still have Mandon Moore and Kettleback in our Kingsguard so we need to get rid of them. Arys Oakheart is a decent enough Kingsguard, but those two are just trash.

Plan incoming.

 

[Magoose]

Alright, so I skimmed through the last quest. Not enough to truly know who is who in the long list of enemies and supporters.

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Considering the entire quest ending was just enemies and allies coming at us in all directions, believe me, it can get confusing too.

 

[Stardust&Scotch]

Randyll Tarly would not be tormented by Ser Allister. Ser Allister is assigned to train green boys, not skilled warriors like Lord Tarly.

If anything Randyll and Allister will probably become best buds. After all, they did fight together on the same side for the Mad King, so it's not like they have previous grievances. In fact, Tarly is very likely to become Lord Commander at some point.

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Randyll went from fighting for the Targaryens to licking Robert's boot in pretty short order -- I don't imagine Ser Alliser having a high opinion of anyone who chose to kneel instead of go to the Wall or into exile, especially when the man in question fought against the Restoration of the Targaryens.

Also, Ser Alliser is the master-at-arms. If he wants to torment someone and make them miserable, he doesn't need to be training them to do it.

EDIT: moratorium over, post plans at your leisure. It's a big damn vote, so I'm not gonna call it for a wee while.

 

[Elder Haman]

Okay, here are two rough plans (plus a varriation on the second plan):

[ ] Plan Stabilize The Realm:
-[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
-[ ] A significant amount of ships and material will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (Royal Fleet & Red Keep Garrison become Full Strength)

These two are basically required because of the horrible situation the Crown finances are in. Right now we are not making enough money to cover expenses and the interest on our loans. We have to pay off the Iron Bank as soon possible because of the horrible 8% interest, and then the Tyrells after that to get rid of the 5% interest there.

-[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
--[ ] Randyll Tarly
--[ ] Mandon Moore
--[ ] Osmund Kettleblack

We need to get rid of the bad apples in our Kingsguard, and Randyll Tarly will be a pain, so might as well get rid of the last major issue in the Marcher Lords territory, and strengthen the Wall at the same time. The other option is Harrold Hardyng, aka Harry the Heir to weaken Jon Arryn's line, but I think that is a mistake. For all we know he might be the better option to cultivate in the Vale.

@Marlowe310811 I'm assuming that we don't need to spend a slot here to send Tywin to the Wall? As that's pretty much what we will have to do to keep our promise to Jaime.

-[ ] A highborn hostage will be sent to the Red Keep (Some one from the Vale - of Jon Arryn's family)

Basically the Tyrell's are opportunists and so could be won over, but Jon Arryn is the truly hostile Lord Paramount. We ought to get a hostage from him as insurance.

@Marlowe310811 What is the current state of Jon Arryn's family? Does he have anyone other than his son Robert in his family line?

-[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
--[ ] Yohn Royce (Diplomacy 15)

Basically we extend an olive branch to the rest of the Vale, signalling that despite the estrangement with the Arryns, their interests will still be considered.

-[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
--[ ] Mace Tyrell (Stewardship 10)
--[ ] Appoint a Shadow Councilor
---[ ] Olenna Tyrell (Stewardship 18)

And this is our olive branch to the Reach and the Tyrells. Instead of confronting them, we seek to subvert them to our side.

-[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
--[ ] Oberyn Martell (Intrigue 17)

We reward the Martells and Dorne. Also, Oberyn should work well with Arianne, so if Oberyn ever needs to go a traveling, Arianne can cover for him in King's Landing while he is gone.

- [ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
--[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)

No Shadow Councilor, though I think we ought to take a project in which we try to appoint a Learning Sub Council to handle research, magic issues, etc - and use that to exercise more control here.

-[ ] Hand of the King
--[ ] Eddard Stark

Have Ned stay and help us hold things together for a few years until we can find a good permanent Hand.

-[ ] Master of Ships
--[ ] Rodrik Harlaw (Martial 17)

Reward the Harlaw's and the Iron Isles. Aurane Waters is going to be busy helping his family rebuild anyways.

-[ ] Lord Commander of the Kingsguard
--[X] Barristan Selmy (Martial 20) [Remember that you cannot easily dismiss a Kingsguard without their consent, because Joffrey/Cersei hasn't set the precedent. He was, however, technically a belligerent commander on the Crown's side...]

-[ ] the Master of War
--[ ] Stannis Baratheon (Martial 21)

We reward Stannis, and make a new post for him that better suits his talents. Also, by accepting it he has to support changes to tradition, so a way to slowly build support for changing things.

-[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
--[ ] Aegon Targaryen is a young and unproven man, but one of unquestionable loyalty. He was raised to lead armies and manage realms, so a watch and a city should theoretically be no great test of his abilities. You are quite certain that he's learned things from his time with Lord Stannis, though time will tell what it is he learned.

We put the largest armed force within King's Landing under control of the family. Plus it gives our current heir a place to prove himself, and assures the Golden Company that they will not be forgotten.

-[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep (not a Small Council seat, but a position of prestige and importance)
--[ ] Bonifer Hasty is a somewhat older knight of the Stormlands, who apparently was once close with your mother, and more recently did not involve himself in the war, except to protect smallfolk from predation from either side. Appointing him would be seen as a move of reconciliation towards Stormlanders not named Connington or Baratheon, would please the Faithful, and he'd possibly be someone to talk to about your mother.

Put the Faithful at ease with us (important since they don't know us well), and signal that we think well on what Ser Hasty did (so the more aware smallfolk will take heart at the signal). Also helps mend fences with the Stormlands.

-[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
--[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.

A King's Justice who isn't a mental case is probably a good thing, and it rewards our friend, which is also a good reputation for us to have.

Basically we put Jaime back on the Kingsguard, and try to stabilize the realm, even if that means delaying reforms we'd like to implement.

Here is the more aggressive plan:

[ ] Plan Reform The Realm:
-[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
-[ ] A significant amount of ships and material will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (Royal Fleet & Red Keep Garrison become Full Strength)
-[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
--[ ] Randyll Tarly
--[ ] Mandon Moore
--[ ] Osmund Kettleblack
-[ ] A highborn hostage will be sent to the Red Keep (Some one from the Vale - of Jon Arryn's family)

Basically the same reasoning, only more so, since we are going to be pushing for changes we need to make sure Jon Arryn cannot cause trouble.

-[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
--[ ] Eddard Stark (Diplomacy 17)
---[ ] Ask him to train Dany to take his place in five years or so.

I think I can make a pretty good case to Ned Stark for this, one that he would understand, and thus will support even if he has misgivings.

-[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
--[ ] Harry Strickland (Stewardship 17)

We keep the Golden Company close so that we have their strong support in case it ever comes to war again.

-[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
--[ ] Oberyn Martell (Intrigue 17)

-[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
--[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)

Under this we probably cannot appoint Tyrion as Shadow Councilor, because we are going to need him at the Rock keeping the Westerlands loyal.

-[ ] Hand of the King
--[ ] Doran Martell

We are basically telling the rest of the country to suck it up and accept Dornish dominance. Besides, Doran is cautious enough that he'll help us make our reform plans realistic in their approach and reach.

@Marlowe310811 Can we get an idea of Doran's thoughts?

-[ ] Master of Ships
--[ ] Rodrik Harlaw (Martial 17)

-[ ] the Master of War
--[ ] Stannis Baratheon (Martial 21)

-[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
--[ ] Aegon Targaryen is a young and unproven man, but one of unquestionable loyalty. He was raised to lead armies and manage realms, so a watch and a city should theoretically be no great test of his abilities. You are quite certain that he's learned things from his time with Lord Stannis, though time will tell what it is he learned.

-[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep (not a Small Council seat, but a position of prestige and importance)
--[ ] Bonifer Hasty is a somewhat older knight of the Stormlands, who apparently was once close with your mother, and more recently did not involve himself in the war, except to protect smallfolk from predation from either side. Appointing him would be seen as a move of reconciliation towards Stormlanders not named Connington or Baratheon, would please the Faithful, and he'd possibly be someone to talk to about your mother.

Reasoning here remains the same.

-[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
--[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.

Probably no reason to change this either.

There is also a possible alternative that is a bit more crafty. It's basically the same as the above plan, but instead of Harry Strickland, we appoint Olenna Tyrell as the Master of Coin. Straight up, no shadow councilor nonsense. Give the Tyrell's a reason to be invested in the idea that women can hold Small Councilor positions.

[ ] Plan Reform The Realm with the Tyrells:
-[ ] A substantial sum of gold and silver will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (+500,000 Dragons each)
-[ ] A significant amount of ships and material will be taken from each of the defeated Great Houses (Royal Fleet & Red Keep Garrison become Full Strength)
-[ ] Up to 3 belligerent lords/commanders will be sent to the Wall *
--[ ] Randyll Tarly
--[ ] Mandon Moore
--[ ] Osmund Kettleblack
-[ ] A highborn hostage will be sent to the Red Keep (Some one from the Vale - of Jon Arryn's family)

-[ ] Master of Laws (Diplomacy Advisor)
--[ ] Eddard Stark (Diplomacy 17)
---[ ] Ask him to train Dany to take his place in five years or so.

-[ ] Master of Coin (Stewardship Advisor)
--[ ] Olenna Tyrell (Stewardship 18)

-[ ] Master of Whispers (Intrigue Advisor)
--[ ] Oberyn Martell (Intrigue 17)

-[ ] Grand Maester (Learning Advisor)
--[X] Jacaerys (unfortunately, you don't pick the Grand Maester)

Under this we probably cannot appoint Tyrion as Shadow Councilor, because we are going to need him at the Rock keeping the Westerlands loyal.

-[ ] Hand of the King
--[ ] Doran Martell

-[ ] Master of Ships
--[ ] Rodrik Harlaw (Martial 17)

-[ ] the Master of War
--[ ] Stannis Baratheon (Martial 21)

-[ ] Lord Commander of the City Watch (not a Small Council position, but important nevertheless)
--[ ] Aegon Targaryen is a young and unproven man, but one of unquestionable loyalty. He was raised to lead armies and manage realms, so a watch and a city should theoretically be no great test of his abilities. You are quite certain that he's learned things from his time with Lord Stannis, though time will tell what it is he learned.

-[ ] Master-at-Arms of the Red Keep (not a Small Council seat, but a position of prestige and importance)
--[ ] Bonifer Hasty is a somewhat older knight of the Stormlands, who apparently was once close with your mother, and more recently did not involve himself in the war, except to protect smallfolk from predation from either side. Appointing him would be seen as a move of reconciliation towards Stormlanders not named Connington or Baratheon, would please the Faithful, and he'd possibly be someone to talk to about your mother.

-[ ] The King's Justice (not a Small Council seat, but a position of some prestige and dignity)
--[ ] Warrek of the Hills has lost one hand, but it doesn't take two to be an executioner and gaoler. You know him to not be corruptible or unnecessarily cruel, and those hold some appeal to you for this position.

Just waiting on some info from the GM before putting up the full plan with my vote, but I will probably vote for the third plan.