The Three-Headed Dragon: A Viserys Targaryen Quest Continuation [abandoned]

Already did one... See Above...

Also The Maltese Falcon is not Noir... Try "The Third Dragon"
Noir is a matter of some dispute, I grant, though The Third Man, The Big Sleep and The Maltese Falcon are the three I most commonly see attributed to the genre. (unpopular opinion time: I loathe The Third Man. The film itself I like, the writing, direction, cast ... but that score just ruins it for me. If I could Thanos-snap one instrument out of the universe, it would be the zither.)

Another +10 for you, so +20 you've got for next round/a rainy day!
 
Noir is a matter of some dispute, I grant, though The Third Man, The Big Sleep and The Maltese Falcon are the three I most commonly see attributed to the genre. (unpopular opinion time: I loathe The Third Man. The film itself I like, the writing, direction, cast ... but that score just ruins it for me. If I could Thanos-snap one instrument out of the universe, it would be the zither.)

Another +10 for you, so +20 you've got for next round/a rainy day!
You don't like the Score for the Third MAN!

Blasphempy! Absolute Heresy! I've been completely destroyed!:cry:

But really though, I think it fits rather well in the Vienna setting that it embarks, and the whimsy of Harry Lime playing with peoples lives.
 
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I do think that there should be a cap on how much omake points can be put on a specific action to reduce the difficulty otherwise there won't be enough chance in play I think.
 
I do think that there should be a cap on how much omake points can be put on a specific action to reduce the difficulty otherwise there won't be enough chance in play I think.
One person is only allowed to place 30 on any action last I checked.
Current rules are that a maximum of +30 can be applied to any action, period. I may end up reducing that to a maximum of +20, but for right now I'm keeping it at +30.
 
Without other events, you suspect this could have put a damper on your relationship with Lord Hoster, Mace Tyrell is definitely no fan of yours, and while Stannis was going to grind his teeth anyway you sort of doubt your influence helped him much there.

Result: Nobody's really happy … except for Walder Frey's fucking ghost. But there's no new blood feuds and no blood shed. It could have been a lot worse. There are now half a dozen cadet Frey branches, one of which is a bannerman to you.

Sigh... well we are going to have to very carefully handle Mace Tyrell. Try and find something to give him a win on. I guess it was too much to hope that we could not have Freys everywhere.

Result: Debt to the Iron Bank reduced by half [-1,500,000 Dr surrendered from Personal Finances] payment schedule reduced to 100,000/year over the next 15 years, interest reduced to 4% (60,000/year). Options to negotiate with House Tyrell, House Lannister and the Faith unlocked.

Good, good, let's look at the new numbers:

Crown Finances
Current Treasury after income and expenses: 1,284,131 Dragons

Income

Trade: 250,000 Dr
Mining: 60,000 Dr
Glass: 30,000 Dr
Demesne: 130,000 Dr
Crownlands Taxes: 175,000 Dr
North Taxes: 200,00 Dr
Riverlands Taxes: 175,000 Dr
Westerlands Taxes: 400,000 Dr
Iron Islands Taxes: 175,000 Dr
Stormlands Taxes: 220,000 Dr
Reach Taxes: 350,000 Dr
Dorne Taxes: 220,000 Dr

Total: 2,385,000 Dragons

Expenses

Household Upkeep: 500,000 Dr
Garrison Upkeep: 100,000 Dr
Gold Cloaks: 250,000 Dr
Royal Fleet: 400,000 Dr
Debt to the Iron Bank: 1,500,000 Dr =100,000/year, and 4% interest of 60,000
Debt to House Lannister: 3,500,000 Dr =175,000/year, and 3% interest of 105,000
Debt to House Tyrell: 2,500,000 Dr = 167,000/year, and 5% interest of 125,000
Debt to the Faith of the Seven: 500,000 Dr = 25,000/year, and 2% interest of 10,000

Total: 2,017,000 Dragons

Whew... that's much better. Now we have a net income of over 300,000 Dragons, so we can afford to spend some money on things like Brown Bile. On the one hand, it'd be very very nice if we could renegotiate the Tyrell debt... on the other hand maybe it's worth letting the Tyrell's win that one? It'd be nice if there was some way to make it so that our actions on that debt can be leveraged to improve the relationship with the Tyrells.

Result: DC decreases by 10, cost rises 2,500 Dr. Harry Strickland develops a previously unknown appreciation for standardised accounting practices, and a seething hatred for Petyr Baelish.

I'll take the DC decrease and be grateful for it. Try again I guess.

Result: DC increases by 15. Cost rises by 2,500 Dr.

Ugh... that makes the DC 95 I think. Probably not going to try this again right away.

Lysa Arryn said nothing at all in reply. Lady Catelyn suggested that he might have preyed on Lysa's fondness for him as a child, but considering the false trail that led to the Vale, both you and Prince Oberyn find it unlikely he would be so arrogant or stupid as to have gone there.

Well, Lysa probably hates for taking her son away, so I wouldn't doubt Littlefinger has her help, but I suspect he's hiding elsewhere. Too many in the Vale know what he looks like.

When your duties allow, you and the Grand Maester make for the island, along with two Kingsguard. What takes place there changes your life. (to be continued in "Blood of the Dragon")

This will be interesting.

The Lord Commander would not have me tell you this, but we can only man three castles fully at this time, numbering ourselves perhaps one-thousand, four-hundred men. And as the First Ranger tells me, Winter is Coming. Men and materials will soon become more necessary and in shorter supply than ever before, and I humbly beseech Your Grace to see fit to aid us however you can before winter comes.

Hmmm... It might make sense to send a portion (a seventh?) of the Gold Cloaks to serve at the Wall for... say a year? Say it's for seasoning or whatever, it'd be a way to get some more men on the walls, establish that the King will send his forces to help defend the wall, and most importantly give us some more direct insight into what exactly the Night's Watch needs in men, materials, and the status of their castles. (How big are the Gold Cloaks? I can't find that information.) It would also give Aegon a chance to meet Aemon, which would be nice - and maybe we can swing getting Jon Snow to tag along too? Aemon would like that.

Maybe another thing we could do is arrange for men to serve a sort of apprenticeship at the wall? For things like blacksmithing, stoneworking, account keeping, heck everything the Stewards do, those are valuable skills. Something like ten years service, and afterwards the crown provides them with a gift of gold to help them establish their own shop? Of course we wouldn't attract anyone from established families, but we'd get a bunch of orphans, and others that have ambition but no resources. Probably aim for 12 to 16 year olds. And it'd provide the builders with more manpower, while also providing the realm with more skilled workers. Some of the more physically promising ones could even "apprentice" to the Rangers, gaining skill in fighting, tracking, and woodsmanship - which ought to get them a place in a household guard.

@Marlowe310811 What do you think of these ideas? Are they possible? Or perhaps require some planning and negotiation to make them possible?

-[X] Silvertongue: Ned wants her to shadow him closely, and likewise guide her hand as need be. If she is to one day take his place, she needs more than talent: she needs skills. Diplomacy, DC 65. Reward: Dany gains confidence in her skills, may gain traits and Diplomacy increases.

Roll: NAT100(!) + 26 = 126 (Major Critical Success!)

Well, one thing's for sure: Westeros will never be the same again. (to be continued in "In Complex Times")

Well... go Dany!

Result: +1,000 Dr from reclaimed materials, including two childrens' cloaks embroidered with the Targaryen dragon by your mother's hand (that you're saving for your children when they're old enough). House Darry is confused, but grateful to this unknown Tigaros Cartel. Your vengeance is sated at long last. And you're going to surprise Dany with the red door from Ser Willem's home for her chambers.

Nice, not a big difference, but nice to find out.

Result: the Band of Bastards is slaughtered to a man, the Riverlanders are grateful (in no small part because Ser Brynden expertly milked his relationships with several lords and landed knights to minimise any discomfort) and the success here definitely helped ease some tensions that would otherwise have developed with Lord Hoster. While his depression still haunts him, Jaime has improved his reputation (being a team player, proving himself willing to do the dirty work rather than order someone else to do it, etc.) and gained a squire in Hoster Frey, one of Lord Olyvar's younger relations.

Good work Jaime, now back to your day job of cleaning up the shit.

Oh no... Walder is laughing beyond the fucking grave... his political manuvering has succeded...

"Let other's wage war, you happy Austria, marry!"

And the Last Quest... ever since he started going down the redomption tour, he seems to become more like Arthur Dayne

Since in canon Jaime says he wanted to be Arthur Dayne, but somehow got twisted up and became the Smiling Knight instead, I think this is actually a sign of how much better this life is for Jaime than canon.
 
Sigh... well we are going to have to very carefully handle Mace Tyrell. Try and find something to give him a win on. I guess it was too much to hope that we could not have Freys everywhere.
I have an Idea, but you might not like what I'm about to offer.

It involves some murder... and some ego boosting in the Stepstones. Along with possibly making Mace the Ace, or another member of the Tyrell family a high-ranking member of court.
Whew... that's much better. Now we have a net income of over 300,000 Dragons, so we can afford to spend some money on things like Brown Bile. On the one hand, it'd be very very nice if we could renegotiate the Tyrell debt... on the other hand maybe it's worth letting the Tyrell's win that one? It'd be nice if there was some way to make it so that our actions on that debt can be leveraged to improve the relationship with the Tyrells.
Alright...

But I think it would be better to start repairing our city instead of trying to renegotiate the debts with Mace the Ace.

Unless we lower the debt and increase the interest rates as a counter.
I'll take the DC decrease and be grateful for it. Try again I guess.
Well, I will, but I will also try something more adventurous.

I really want to have a royal Progress. Make us look like a Wise king then a Mad one.
Ugh... that makes the DC 95 I think. Probably not going to try this again right away.
I think we're going to need some spynetworks.
Well, Lysa probably hates for taking her son away, so I wouldn't doubt Littlefinger has her help, but I suspect he's hiding elsewhere. Too many in the Vale know what he looks like.
I'm guessing in the Free cities.
This will be interesting.
Dragon Lore? Viserys is the Prince that is promised?

Another fucking Prophecy?!
Hmmm... It might make sense to send a portion (a seventh?) of the Gold Cloaks to serve at the Wall for... say a year?
Eh... that kinda defeats the purpose of the Nights Watch. They serve the Wall for life... and having a rotating guard serving for a few tours of duty would make the Watch even weaker, as people won't want to serve for life.

It would however be great for a basis of a Royal Army, with an annual tour of duty, like America does in its bases all over the world.

Only instead of foreign nations, the Wall is technically an autonomous zone that is protecting the Nation from outsiders.
it'd be a way to get some more men on the walls, establish that the King will send his forces to help defend the wall, and most importantly give us some more direct insight into what exactly the Night's Watch needs in men, materials, and the status of their castles. (How big are the Gold Cloaks? I can't find that information.)
Last I checked (and I can't source the page number) but in Game of Thrones, Robert and later Joffery double the size of the city watch for his tournament, and the war of Five Kings using mercenaries and lowering recruitment standards...

and that number was significant at like 10,000 I think?

I can't remember, there was never an exact number and it was only ever given a vague number by Tyrion, Bronn and Cersai.
It would also give Aegon a chance to meet Aemon, which would be nice - and maybe we can swing getting Jon Snow to tag along too? Aemon would like that.
If Aegon asked ned to bring Jon, then maybe he could...

But Remember, Aegon is the head other city Watch, not an underling, he has to be in the city until he has a reputation or under our orders.
Maybe another thing we could do is arrange for men to serve a sort of apprenticeship at the wall?
That wouldn't work either.

They want people to stay life, as it is a duty of sacred honor, and of duty to the realm.
For things like blacksmithing, stoneworking, account keeping, heck everything the Stewards do, those are valuable skills. Something like ten years service, and afterwards the crown provides them with a gift of gold to help them establish their own shop?
Most of the Gift give their harvest to the Watch, so they do not have to expend resources and manpower to farming the land, and instead make sure their fortifications are up to snuff, along with their men being well drilled and trained.
Of course we wouldn't attract anyone from established families, but we'd get a bunch of orphans, and others that have ambition but no resources. Probably aim for 12 to 16 year olds. And it'd provide the builders with more manpower, while also providing the realm with more skilled workers. Some of the more physically promising ones could even "apprentice" to the Rangers, gaining skill in fighting, tracking, and woodsmanship - which ought to get them a place in a household guard.
If we're sending boys to the wall, we're not getting them back, unless they volunteer and chose not to swear the oath.

Because then we have to pay for them to come back and recruit them.

But the idea has merit, I will give you that.
Dany is our... Princess after all! (I could have used the Queen joke if we married her.)
Good work Jaime, now back to your day job of cleaning up the shit.
Jaime is the MVP, change my mind!
"Let other's wage war, you happy Austria, marry!"
Umm... I don't think the Frey's are inbred enough to be the Hapsburgs... that's more our stick.
Since in canon Jaime says he wanted to be Arthur Dayne, but somehow got twisted up and became the Smiling Knight instead, I think this is actually a sign of how much better this life is for Jaime than canon.
And worse...

Being a man of honor and duty is hard. That he also regrets a few actions that he made and is depressed makes him all the more human.

And better for his own actions.
 
It involves some murder... and some ego boosting in the Stepstones. Along with possibly making Mace the Ace, or another member of the Tyrell family a high-ranking member of court.

I wouldn't mind some of the younger Tyrells finding a place in our court. They all seem pretty decent fellows. Heck, I would have been fine with Loras for the Kingsguard if he was a few years older.

Eh... that kinda defeats the purpose of the Nights Watch. They serve the Wall for life... and having a rotating guard serving for a few tours of duty would make the Watch even weaker, as people won't want to serve for life.
If we're sending boys to the wall, we're not getting them back, unless they volunteer and chose not to swear the oath.

That's kind of the point of my idea. Right now the Night's Watch is not getting enough men - because men don't want to sign up for their whole life and swear off women. That's the main reason. So my thought is, is there some way we can augment the permanent Night's Watch with some men who don't have to swear the oath and so won't be there all the time. Something like a National Guard to supplement the regular army.

But Remember, Aegon is the head other city Watch, not an underling, he has to be in the city until he has a reputation or under our orders.

Which is why if we rotate a portion of the Gold Cloaks (which Aegon is Captain of) to temporarily serve at the Wall, then it's natural that their Captain would go along on at least one of the trips right?
 
I wouldn't mind some of the younger Tyrells finding a place in our court. They all seem pretty decent fellows. Heck, I would have been fine with Loras for the Kingsguard if he was a few years older
Too bad the tyrell women are both scary, family driven and possibly a Thorne in our side in terms of politics due to their lost influence.
That's kind of the point of my idea. Right now the Night's Watch is not getting enough men - because men don't want to sign up for their whole life and swear off women. That's the main reason. So my thought is, is there some way we can augment the permanent Night's Watch with some men who don't have to swear the oath and so won't be there all the time. Something like a National Guard to supplement the regular army.
I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, but we'd be breaking a lot of traditions... and we've been breaking them since the start.

And we're running on good will at this point... good will and dragons.

Plus whatever victorys that we gained due to trying tywin Lannister Publically.

Which is why if we rotate a portion of the Gold Cloaks (which Aegon is Captain of) to temporarily serve at the Wall, then it's natural that their Captain would go along on at least one of the trips right
Egg is the lord commander, meaning he's the top dog of the organization, not a meer captain.

Edit: @Marlowe310811 What is your take on the subject... should we start a rotating force from all over the kingdoms to work with the Nightswatch? give us a formation of a royal army?
 
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Umm... I don't think the Frey's are inbred enough to be the Hapsburgs... that's more our stick.
Well, give them time -- the Roberts Frey are double-first cousins, after all. So, genetically, Robert the Younger and Serra are the equivalent of half-siblings.

Granted, Westeros doesn't have a firm grasp of a Punnett square let alone familial genetics, but. When there's literally hundreds of Freys out there and the Lords of Westeros insist on not marrying below their station whenever possible, if nothing changes, there will come a time when almost half the noble houses can trace their ancestry to Walder Frey.
@Marlowe310811 What is your take on the subject... should we start a rotating force from all over the kingdoms to work with the Nightswatch? give us a formation of a royal army?
Well, that does hit on one of the trickier problems -- the Night's Watch is unsustainable in all but an idealised fantasy world (e.g., the one Jon Snow has in his head before he gets there) and any of the solutions that might actually make a difference are at a bare minimum gonna ruffle feathers. Same with a Royal Army -- S1E3 hit on that fairly well (showing even Cersei can be insightful now and again). People don't think of themselves as one Kingdom of Westeros, they think of themselves as a Riverlander first, or a Northerner, or a Valeman, under the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. There isn't a unified, national identity, and you'd need to forge one or bootstrap one in order to get a Royal Army off the ground.

I'm not saying 'no' to any ideas yet, but they'd need more discussion and hammering out before I could. A rotating force is going to be a hard sell, as is a standing army of any kind; the average man of 33 has just fought the third war in their lives, and many have had enough of war and soldiering; a diminished population grows weary of sending their husbands, brothers and sons to die far from home for men they've never met; and Winter is Coming -- there's time for another harvest or two, three if the gods are good, and then who knows how long the coming winter will be?

My point is, an idea may or may not be logistically sound, but if it can't persuade seven weary and battle-scarred kingdoms, logistics mean nothing.
 
Granted, Westeros doesn't have a firm grasp of a Punnett square let alone familial genetics, but. When there's literally hundreds of Freys out there and the Lords of Westeros insist on not marrying below their station whenever possible, if nothing changes, there will come a time when almost half the noble houses can trace their ancestry to Walder Frey.
Also, I think Genetics are funny in this world, for the simple fact that multiple incestuous generations haven't led Viserys into insanity and deformaiton, same for Dany. Thouhg I think in the last quest i showed that Viserys was for quite a few years teetering on the edge of insanity before he met Jaime and got through the hell that was Valyria.

Though I chalk that more up to magic then anything else.
Well, that does hit on one of the trickier problems -- the Night's Watch is unsustainable in all but an idealised fantasy world (e.g., the one Jon Snow has in his head before he gets there) and any of the solutions that might actually make a difference are at a bare minimum gonna ruffle feathers. Same with a Royal Army -- S1E3 hit on that fairly well (showing even Cersei can be insightful now and again). People don't think of themselves as one Kingdom of Westeros, they think of themselves as a Riverlander first, or a Northerner, or a Valeman, under the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. There isn't a unified, national identity, and you'd need to forge one or bootstrap one in order to get a Royal Army off the ground.
So just like England before a thousand year blood feud with France brought forth a national identity.
I'm not saying 'no' to any ideas yet, but they'd need more discussion and hammering out before I could. A rotating force is going to be a hard sell, as is a standing army of any kind; the average man of 33 has just fought the third war in their lives, and many have had enough of war and soldiering; a diminished population grows weary of sending their husbands, brothers and sons to die far from home for men they've never met; and Winter is Coming -- there's time for another harvest or two, three if the gods are good, and then who knows how long the coming winter will be?
perhaps not for a full generation, but maybe as a group of volenteers.

After all, if someone wants to try such a thing, and are willing to do so, who are we to stop them esspecially if its a good opportunity.
My point is, an idea may or may not be logistically sound, but if it can't persuade seven weary and battle-scarred kingdoms, logistics mean nothing.
Well considering the possible good will we may soon gain... why not try to shop it around. It would certinaly make the the North Happy to know more people will be helping out manning the Wall.
 
Also, I think Genetics are funny in this world, for the simple fact that multiple incestuous generations haven't led Viserys into insanity and deformaiton, same for Dany. Thouhg I think in the last quest i showed that Viserys was for quite a few years teetering on the edge of insanity before he met Jaime and got through the hell that was Valyria.

Though I chalk that more up to magic then anything else.
I always had this Theory that, for some Reason, Valyrian Bloodlines are more resistant to the genetic Effects of Inbreeding, since that Praxis normally should've destroyed the Targaryens loooooong before Aerys II. came around.
 
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Omake: A Simple Thought (non-canon)
A Simple Thought:
(Viserys POV)

What was it you desire? Perhaps it was a question that most men quandaries once or twice in their lives, but not you.

You had never had the luxury of having a desire. Even when you were a child, thrust into a role that would ultimately define you, raising and protecting Dany… you never really knew what you wished.

You only had your duty.

Seeing the lost items that had been stolen when you were so young and desperate, to both escapes, survive, and thrive… in a world that wished you were dead.

It made you realize that you could have those desires. To want what you could never have before taking the throne.

But as you slept… as you dreamed, you found yourself facing yourself again.

A sentence you thought you would never utter in your mind again… once again.

The mirror was polished silver, a fine piece if you ever saw one… yet you wished you never saw it… for you stared back.

"Hm… back again, after forgetting me for so long." The mirror stated as you stood before. "Do you think you were too good for me? For… the bond we share?"

You frowned. You were not going to give the mirror anything. "Is it really that hard… last time we spoke, you wanted to kill Jaime."

"For all the crimes he committed… against you, Rhaegar, our father, Dany, Mother-"

"Do not speak of her!" You growled as you slammed your hand against the table. "She is not something you can use to manipulate me."

"Oh strike a nerve?" the mirror smiled. "You know what you want to do… Burn them all."

The mirror laughed. "For all your veneer, for all the balance that you have used to keep your dark impulses in check, you never could get rid of me… you want to know why?" He smiled more, and it sickened you.

You always knew. "Deep down, you know that you are just as mad as your father… all the fear of losing them, the paranoia of the unknown man who wishes to destroy you, even now, as he is lost and forgotten, even the way you love your wife, and your children… Did you really think that you don't see the patterns of how this will all end?"

"It won't end." You proclaimed.

"You don't get it… you feel as well as I." The mirror stated. "The Throne only allows the worthy to sit upon it, and guide Westeros to the future. You are not worthy, no one has been since Aegon the Conquerer himself. Everyone who's ever sat the throne descends into madness… it's a curse."

"It's a responsibility." You stated. "One I have to maintain."

"Truly Though? Without even a hint of desire?" The mirror asked.

"I have all I need." You growled, losing your mind in anger. But you took one breath… two… three.

"But not what you want…"

The mirror gave a smile. "Tell me Viserys… what is it you desire?"

You narrowed your purple eyes and let yourself quietly think. You then gave a smile. "To be rid of you."

"Tsk Tsk… Viserys, that isn't a desire of your heart… I'm asking you to truly dive deep into your heart… and tell me… what you desire?" The Mirror asked.

The answer only took a moment to be vocalized. "I want to see my mother again."

The Mirror smiled. "Very Well."

And the Dream ended…

The portrait was on the wall, as Arianne played with your hair.

"Good morning."

AN: Because I really want Viserys' to continue speaking to his mirror (read, insane) part of himself.

It would add so much more to his mental resilience.
 
There isn't a unified, national identity, and you'd need to forge one or bootstrap one in order to get a Royal Army off the ground.

Not if OTL history of France is anything to go with, you don't. There was a permanent Royal army way before people, even nobles, started to think of themselves as French as opposed to Lorrain, Breton, Gascon....etc subjects of the King of France (or not when the dukes revolt).
 
Not if OTL history of France is anything to go with, you don't. There was a permanent Royal army way before people, even nobles, started to think of themselves as French as opposed to Lorrain, Breton, Gascon....etc subjects of the King of France (or not when the dukes revolt).
IRL France isn't especially comparable to Westeros, but in the particular field you're referring to it is pertinent that there was a monarch over (most of) the various regions of what we know as France in one form or another for a thousand years before a Royal Army was constituted.

This isn't me wanting to be difficult or to declare by fiat "you can't have a Royal Army because I say so", this is just a frank look at the situation.
  • Westeros has spent a thousand years or more as independent kingdoms with often-changing lines and alliances
  • The continent has only 'sort of' been unified for less than three hundred years, large portions of which have been spent at each others' throats and either aligned with or against the reigning monarch in the capital (and one of the Seven Kingdoms remaining largely independent throughout that time)
  • Westeros also just came out of its second civil war (and third major internecine conflict) inside twenty years ... and this last war saw alliances very different from the previous one, saw brutal and destructive conflict along previously exacerbated lines (the Dornish Marches are the prime example of this) and from this, lingering resentments and feuds are still influencing national politics
That's not the kind of division that heals fast or can be easily overtaken by a national identity. Seeds for it have been laid with a Royal Fleet and with Viserys reclaiming Aegon I's titles "King of All Westeros and Shield of His People", but those are only seeds -- at the moment, nobody bats much of an eye at the reclaimed title and think it more of a "well, he conquered the realm like his ancestor, apparently he likes to remind us and to be reminded of that" than take it to heart, and the Royal Fleet is still beset by regional influences and who's up or down on the great wheel: under Robert, the Royal Fleet was first under Stannis, then once he was exiled it was manned by Reacher lords, especially House Redwyne; under Viserys, House Redwyne is at its nadir and the Fleet is being reconstituted by Stormlanders who were allied with Stannis, the Ironborn and Northerners.

I'm not saying there can't ever be a Royal Army or a national identity -- just that you can't achieve the latter simply by creating the former. And the creation of a Royal Army would need to be done delicately: to create one now would send a message to the Vale and the Reach that you intend not only to move against them given the slightest excuse but that you would use their own sons to do it, and it would also involve placing men alongside each other who within the last calendar year were trying to kill each other. In the previous quest, Robert did a great deal of consolidating power to the Iron Throne, but his way of doing so was a reign of terror and mass murder not unlike his predecessor, and the Lords of Westeros are watching you closely, hoping that you aren't going to turn into your predecessor or your father before him, and ordering the creation of an army loyal solely to the Crown at the moment is going to stoke those fears. Speaking of those fears...
Take another +10, to a +30 for you.
 
IRL France isn't especially comparable to Westeros, but in the particular field you're referring to it is pertinent that there was a monarch over (most of) the various regions of what we know as France in one form or another for a thousand years before a Royal Army was constituted.
And Even then, there was a kings private army that served as a basis for such a permanent force for even longer.

Plus the concept of what a professional standing army was areound and in the coinciousness of gaul (future France) due to the Roman Legions hat once served there, in its history.
Westeros has spent a thousand years or more as independent kingdoms with often-changing lines and alliances
Much more then that my friend. Although I don't trust the citidel's words for that subject, because most of the kingdoms as we know them were never unified until a few hundred years before Aegon went down to Westeros and fucked things up.
The continent has only 'sort of' been unified for less than three hundred years, large portions of which have been spent at each others' throats and either aligned with or against the reigning monarch in the capital (and one of the Seven Kingdoms remaining largely independent throughout that time)
Preventing a civil war and having a peaceful transfer of power would be pretty important in that regard to at least no have a civil war every time a king dies.
Westeros also just came out of its second civil war (and third major internecine conflict) inside twenty years ... and this last war saw alliances very different from the previous one, saw brutal and destructive conflict along previously exacerbated lines (the Dornish Marches are the prime example of this) and from this, lingering resentments and feuds are still influencing national politics
Goes to show how fucked Westeros is right now in terms of lives lost and treasure spent.

It's a nightmare trying to fix this continent.
That's not the kind of division that heals fast or can be easily overtaken by a national identity.
I imagine a shared national trauma can at least stem the bleeding in terms of the damadge that our predecessors caused, esspecially in the waythings are going... with a more unified court.

And a trial of one of Westeros' premiere schemers and political archetypes.

THat might help immensly in stopping some future bloodshed.


Also Quick Question @Marlowe310811 Are we going to have actions that involve the Cartel?
 
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"So you must be Ned Stark's bastard, eh?"

"I'm gonna make the biggest Timmy's run the North has ever seen!"

"So Brienne, what d'you think aboot seein' a Leafs game wi' me?"
 
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