The Romans had that system. In times of war one of the two consuls could be declared dictator and given unprecedented powers for the reminder of the crises.
The Republic! (A Warhammer City State Quest)
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The Romans had that system. In times of war one of the two consuls could be declared dictator and given unprecedented powers for the reminder of the crises.
That ended with bunch of military dictators if i remember correctly
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Actually the Roman system allowed the Senate to appoint any man dictator, not just one of the consuls. And it was also a system that was very open to abuse, as in the latter years of the Republic, the most powerful people of the time could have themselves made dictator for as long as they wanted. Not a system I'd want to implement.
Yeah,I will encourage Cincinatus principal.
- Location
- California, USA
The city-state is pretty much a democratic republic, but what about other details of how the government will work? Presidential or parliamentary? Representative or direct democracy? I imagine that it will be a unitary state because I highly doubt a federation or confederacy will work out.
It's warhammer sometimes we are going to need people to shut up and listen so we do not get whipped up by Destro factions.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
That doesn't change anything I said about it being a dangerous system to implement. Cincinnatus was an ideal. Most Roman dictators were far less devoted to civic duty. In general, I don't recommend imitating the Roman republic. It had a lot of issues curtailing personal power and ambition.
True but great men have always coincided with periods of turmoil due to their gods arranging it thus.
WHF unlike our world has Daemon Gods and their champions. The greatest citizen army in the world would be as chaff before an Everchosen. We are going to need some kind of heroic tradition to get Lord level units.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
I agree heroes will be necessary, but the rest of what you are saying makes no sense. For one, I'm pretty sure we can't create a system to generate heroes. That's kind of the thing decided by the gods/destiny. For another, requiring heroes to defend against major threats does not mean we need to give them control of the government. Our heroes should serve the Motherland and her people, not the other way around. Let them stay on the battlefield, and leave governing in the hands of the common man.
Well to an extent but we chose the Gods and we shape the heroic traditions by encouraging certain stories to spread. As for serving: why should they? What do they get in exchange for their irreplaceable skills? We have to make some accommodations.
They get to be heroes of the people? The admiration and fame of being among the finest men in the state? A generous pension and a shitton of recognition in form of medals and honours? Plus the opportunity to advance in rank in the armed forces and serve their country in a higher position? Even if they would have been oppressed scum in the service of the noble butchers?
The common people are NOT inherently less worthy and powerful than the so called nobility. Every human has been created equal by the gods, only the gods make them less than equal. And a just and fair god like our lady of War, Myrmidia, spreads her blessings wisely to those who would serve order the best, unlike the corrupt and unfair warmongering goddess of Brettonia or the Four Dark Ones.
*points at warrior priests and the knightly orders*
Most gods spread their blessings unequally.
That why it is sad world.
Warrior Priests come from all walks of life, they aren't all nobles, or even mostly nobles. Knightly orders are not divinely blessed, they are merely well equipped and very well trained. They are also completely outdated with the advent of the gun in my opinion, but that is not part of the argument. Or would you say that the secular warriors of the Reikguard are lesser fighters than the pious White Wolves?
There are also some heavy cavalry mercenary companies that are every bit the equal of the Knights of the Empire despite being made up of commoners and noble bastards. It is just a question of training, discipline and equipment.
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Turn 1: The Crime of Being Born
- Location
- Pilipinas
A painting of Sartosa Burning in the distance
Militiaman: "I'm sure we can all pull together, sir."
Officer: "Oh, I do hope not. Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions."
- A conversation snippet during The Revolution
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The Crime of Being Born
Sartosa was basically destroyed by the glorious uprising of the people against their masters. The pirate-lords and their men's remains were dumped into the sea to be feasted upon by the fishes and its other denizens below. The reconstruction effort however, would prove to be troublesome as squatters and the homeless already moved in to the few surviving homes of the ousted 'nobility' while those that have some kind of shanty-housing cried foul over this. Both groups claimed to have bled for the Revolution and while those with cooler heads ensured that there would be peace for now, the situation caused a lot of grumblings but so far said issue was not put forward before the Council.
No, the first issue that was put forward before the council is the matter of the dwarf named Blackaxe, who according to those who knew him, is a friendly and helpful fellow, well-liked by all and was among the first to rise up in the name of the masses. He was reputed to be the one that slain the Bloody Princess' arms master. a feat worthy of song yet he remains humble. By all accounts, the dwarf is a hero yet his love and zeal for the Revolution took a dark turn when he personally executed no less than 8 children of the pirate-lords, from the ages between 1-7, rumor has it that the youngest that he killed was by kicking the obviously pregnant wife of Captain Redhook. A lot of folk were horrified by this yet when asked to explain himself, the dwarf told of his days as a soldier in the army of Zhufbar, a dwarven hold located south of the Empire. Back then, an Imperial noble family failed to meet their end of a contract hence his name was written down in the Book of Grudges. Years later, their new king having fixed the internal problems within Zhufbar then led an invasion to said noble's land. They destroyed the latter's army and captured the noble family, they later learned that the original noble has been long dead and the one that they had captured is his great-great grandson and his kin. The dwarf-king executed them anyways down to the babe. The reasoning of course, is that the Book of Grudges is a far more important justification than the lives of said nobles. He further stated that while the people of Sartosa has no physical example of said Book of Grudges, the spirit of it lives on in every heart and mind of oppressed people everywhere. and what he did was in the name of the People and Justice. Many then approved of his actions and he gained no small following due to his honesty. A lot though is still sickened by his act, would the Revolution really justify the act of child-murder?
How would the Council React?
[] He is to be executed. the Dwarf is guilty of murder, regardless of the fact that those he killed were children of the pirate-lords. (+10 Civil Disorder)
[] He is to be banished. his life is to be spared due to his service to the Revolution yet his actions cannot be tolerated.
[] He is to be pardoned. What's done is done, and the children are from the class-enemy anyway, the people understands this.
Slave Trade is one of the reasons for Sartosa's prestige and wealth. Slaves from every race, color, and creed can be found in its Forum of Flesh. These slaves of course vary depending on the buyers needs, and the Forum trains them as per the market's trends. Hence, some are trained to be scholars while others as slave-soldiers, and even more as bed-slaves. Yet, during the Revolt, the Forum of Flesh was destroyed and the slaves were freed, a lot more though were killed during the fires. Some of the former slaves then helped in the struggle while most just tried to stay out of the way. After the fires were put out, a lot of the free men and women that fought for the Revolution wanted to claim those slaves that didn't fought and the servants of the pirate-lords for themselves arguing that the latter disgraced the Cause. Some of the more mercantile-thinking type then argued that without slaves, the island would soon starve due to the weakening of the agriculture while fishing alone cannot realistically support the population. Still, the majority though want the slaves to be freed, Sartosa is no Verezzo or Pavona where democracy and freedom is only to those that can afford it! The right to be free from bondage is one of the pillars of the Revolution and to choose anything less is a betrayal to the Cause!
How would the Council react to the current slaves and slavery in general?
[] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[] Slavery is to be limited. Some just needs to be at the bottom pole to make those at the top feel better. (+20 Civil Disorder, Can continue trade with slaver nations and races after 5 turns, can rebuild Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[] Slavery is allowed to continue as before! (+40 Civil Disorder Can continue Slave-trading immediately, can rebuild Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh, +50 gold)
While the Pirate-Lords are no more, they still have children and family remaining on the island, most of them that survived hid underneath the tunnels in the old Dwarf Hold. All of the survivors just want to leave Sartosa, yet they can't due to being unable to purchase passage aboard the few trading vessels currently trickling back into the island and due to the fact that the people roaming the streets and the woods are not finished with the "Purges". Having heard that a Council has been formed, they then decided to send an emissary to discuss terms. The pirate-lords families' beg for mercy and the possibility to return to their homes to salvage whatever they can before leaving the island never to set foot in its shores ever again. While these negotiations happened behind closed doors, the People might not like it once they discover that the Council is willing to deal with their class-enemy.
How would the Council react to the terms?
[] Accept
[] Refuse
AN: this post has not been beta-tested and I am not a native English speaker, any helpful criticism is appreciated.
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Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
[X] He is to be banished. his life is to be spared due to his service to the Revolution yet his actions cannot be tolerated.
We're not Dwarves, so Grudges isn't a valid excuse. His help was invaluable, but he needs to be punished.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
Time to turn over a new leaf and put an end to slavery.
[X] Accept
We've all ready eliminated the real problem, showing mercy at the risk of vengeful family members is worth it IMO.
We're not Dwarves, so Grudges isn't a valid excuse. His help was invaluable, but he needs to be punished.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
Time to turn over a new leaf and put an end to slavery.
[X] Accept
We've all ready eliminated the real problem, showing mercy at the risk of vengeful family members is worth it IMO.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
[X] He is to be pardoned. What's done is done, and the children are from the class-enemy anyway, the people understands this.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Refuse
So far the revolution is off to a glorious start. We shall water our fields with the blood of martyrs and tyrants. As far as criticism, try and make sure your verb tenses are consistent. You switch between past and present a lot and it can make it difficult to understand.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Refuse
So far the revolution is off to a glorious start. We shall water our fields with the blood of martyrs and tyrants. As far as criticism, try and make sure your verb tenses are consistent. You switch between past and present a lot and it can make it difficult to understand.
GhostKing 666
Bringing Nightmares to life evey minute
[X] He is to be banished. his life is to be spared due to his service to the Revolution yet his actions cannot be tolerated.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Refuse
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Refuse
If Gods are needed for Heroes to arise then its a good thing that those in the south warship Mor and Verena's family rather then Taal, Ulric, Sigmar and the Lady like in the north. Verena, Myrmidia, Mor and Shallya aren't going to care one bit about how noble your bloodline is or how great you are at personal combat. We worship civilized gods down here in the south.
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- Location
- California, USA
[X] He is to be executed. the Dwarf is guilty of murder, regardless of the fact that those he killed were children of the pirate-lords. (+10 Civil Disorder)
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Accept
You do not kill the innocent who have nothing to do with the past or the current conditions, especially children. Your Dwarf Grudge is never a proper excuse. Today's generation will not like it, but the newer generations will nod to this.
Down with slavery. This shall be a state of equality.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Accept
You do not kill the innocent who have nothing to do with the past or the current conditions, especially children. Your Dwarf Grudge is never a proper excuse. Today's generation will not like it, but the newer generations will nod to this.
Down with slavery. This shall be a state of equality.
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
[X] He is to be banished. his life is to be spared due to his service to the Revolution yet his actions cannot be tolerated.
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Accept
[X] Slavery is banned now and forever! All are equal! (slave-traders will avoid Sartosa, can no longer build Unique Structure: Forum of Flesh)
[X] Accept
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
Their blood is the blood of tyrants and monsters. To allow them to grow up and oppress the people once more would be the greater crime. Are you a traitor to the Republic?
- Location
- California, USA
I am surprised people want this Blckaxe to live.